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I agree100%..the fact that these people are unable to rid their parties of these leeches sitting as life chairman at the top of the party shows either a lack of backbone, lack of effort, lack of support, or lack of concern (not an exhaustive list)

I think that a change in political party leadership is needed badly, these ppl will not bow out. how can they be forced out. How can we get change w/o new blood esoecially if the old boomerangs that keep coming back are not aying anything new that they will do, and its seems too muc like back to teh future.

There needs to be some changes in political parties and only their active members and politicians can bring that about.

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^We can start by not supporting or voting for known corrupts.

But instead i see people keep backing terrorrists and murderers.

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I agree, and lets not be vague here, people should not be voting for MQM as long as its led by that two bit thug. people should not be voting for PPP and PML(N) because of the corruption of Benazir and nawaaz which for some odd reason the parties turn a blind eye to.

as I have said, right now the only option is Imran, or for that matter any sincere outsider than these folks.

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If Mushy promises free and fair elections, we will see new blood from the declining middle class of Pakistan.

I don't think there is enough push from the west for free and fair elections either. US needs Pakistan as its ally in War on terror. It is easier to have Pakistan on your side when one moderate man is running the show instead of having to deal with immature, corrupt and potentially religious leaders in an infant democracy.

Fortunately or unfortunately for Pakistan, election or no election, Mushy is not going anywhere.

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Musharraf, the last military dictator in Pakistan](Musharraf, the last military dictator in Pakistan)
Hamid Mir | June 19, 2007 | Rediff News

*Hamid Mir, the rediff.com columnist and Pakistan television anchor, is the man the Musharraf regime tried to muzzle last week. He tells us why he believes the general’s days are numbered. *

Many in the subcontinent believe that Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf is fighting a ‘former’ chief justice.

In fact, Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry is still a sitting chief justice, though not an effective one. According to Pakistan’s constitution, Justice Chaudhry – three months into his battle with the most powerful man in Pakistan – still enjoys the status of a sitting chief justice.

This battle has ruined Musharraf’s authority and image in Pakistan like nothing has done before. Questions about the Pakistan army’s role in the country’s politics have been raised once again, but this time, far more seriously than ever before. And the battle, epitomised by the one between the chief justice and the president, is moving fast towards its logical conclusion.

I believe General Musharraf lost half the battle the day Pakistan’s supreme court ordered the suspension of the hearing against Justice Chaudhry in the supreme judicial council and formed a bench of 13 judges to hear the case.
Musharraf fears the 13-member supreme court bench will go with Justice Chaudhry and is planning another reference against the chief justice.

It will not be easy for Musharraf to continue his fight with the chief justice. He will ultimately ask his Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz to resign because it was he who sent the reference against the chief justice to the president.

Second, Musharraf will have to take off his uniform sooner or later, since otherwise it will be difficult for the West to continue supporting a military dictator.

In Pakistan, people have started believing that democratic forces will win this battle in the end and the army will go back to the barracks, this time forever.
This battle will have a negative short-term impact on Pakistan, with a lot of instability for four or five months.

But in the long term, it will bring a positive and long-lasting change in Pakistan, a change that is already visible in the hearts and minds of common Pakistanis. The majority of them want a true democracy, rule of law, supremacy of constitution, independence of judiciary, a strong parliament and freedom of media.

These are no more merely words, people are actually dreaming about it. But they cannot have all these things with a president in uniform sitting over their heads.

I would like to believe that Pervez Musharraf is the last military dictator in Pakistan. The independent media has played a key role in creating and promoting democratic thinking in Pakistan in the last five years. These days, Musharraf’s power is being threatened not only by some upright judges, but also from a defiant media.

This is the first time the media is fighting back. Some newspaper editors and television channel owners tried to make underhand deals with the establishment, but a majority of working journalists threatened to revolt, even against their bosses.

Musharraf promulgated an anti-media ordinance few days ago just to clip the wings of some television anchors. The next day, I was one of those who led a protest inside the press gallery in the national assembly, the Pakistan parliament.

The government tried to silence our voice with help of some non-journalists who were sent inside the press gallery to resist us, but they were thrown out of the gallery by angry journalists.

The next day, the assembly speaker banned the entry of all journalists, who then staged another protest in front of parliament house. Finally, on Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz’s advice, the speaker banned just me. By banning my entry to parliament, they were trying to send the message that the government is not weak.

Let me not forget to mention America and its role in Islamabad. I don’t think the Americans are interested in democracy for Pakistan. Democracy will not help them because democratic governments are answerable to their voters; Americans need a man in uniform who will be answerable to the donors instead of voters.

US Deputy Secretary of State John Negroponte, Assistant Secretary of State Richard A Boucher and the Commander, United States Central Command, Admiral William J Falcon arrived in Islamabad on June 16, and met Musharraf at the same time that Justice Chaudhry was going to Faisalabad to address the bar council.

The US team gave a strong message to the people of Pakistan that Washington is standing behind Musharraf. The troika was not in Islamabad to discuss democracy; they actually wanted Musharraf to do more against the Taliban and Al Qaeda in Pakistani tribal areas.

The American dilemma is quite obvious. Washington doesn’t want to lose Musharraf, because they have no substitute. No other political leader can bomb his own countrymen just to please Americans. He is their ‘frontline ally’ because they don’t have any other ally.


I agree with him on the democracy bit. My feeling is that even PPP, probably the most corrupt govt. ever, will not be quite as corrupt because of the media scrutiny.

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If we are the first people to believe in America's meddling hand in everything that happens in Pak, and if they are really clever enough to control an entire country's complete political process, then they really should be clever enough to do it in a way that you cant figure it out. Why would Boucher et al give this statement if Musharraf's supporters can dilute opposition against him by picking them up and proving opposition to Musharraf is support for America?

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Stop taking close to billion dollars from America every year first though. When you take that kind of money from someone every year, they are going to meddle anywhere they want.

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Hamid writes in angrezi too?

Anyway, 'media scrutiny', thats what i think we're over estimating. How can we be sure if it will remain, function how, be loyal to what.
Same goes for the various other scrutinies active now,which could be non-existent tomorrow. Because they don't have very clean track records even in their selves.

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bhai jan, if Inzi can write in angrezi toh Hamid kyoon nahi? :p

In my estimation, just the economic reasons r enough for the media to remain on the scene. In free market they'll have to be loyal to the customer.

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:hoonh: what does that mean “last military dictator”? or did he mean ‘latest’ military dictator?

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Yes Imran Khan also thinks so :smiley: ‘wishful’ I dare suggest…

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If you haven't paid attention, 'meddling' didn't start with so called 'billions in aid'.

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Hamid Mir is one of Pakistan's most famous journalists, and one of the few known in journalistic circles abroad

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Media has gotten a taste for freedom, they hae the confidence of being able to stand up to govt pressure, and they have the support of the general public which is more and more used to seeing unbiased and open ended depictions of the national stage.
This was never the case before, no govt has ever allowed the media to become this strong and this organized. If any govt in the future were to try this, they would have to face the wrath of civil society, just the same way as now.

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These are real exciting times in Pak... You can almost sense the change in the air... Almost every analyst of any worth is predicting a bright future of democracy in Pak... From Ayaz Amir to even Hamid Mir now.
We have a vocal and almost violently independant media, and now, no matter what happens, even the supreme court will come out stronger and more independant.

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What you said was book definition.:)

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I was hoping I would not have to explain it, but since we see everything in black and white, here goes.

I had stated by the people, for the people and of the people. That is the ideal.
while there is no such thing as a perfect democracy in action but on a continuum of perfect to absolutely horrid, our democractic govts tend to lean on the absolute horrid extreme.

I am not thinking of a black and whote perfect democracy verss crappy sham democracy, but many shades of grey, and even if there is no example of shining bright white democracy in the world there are plenty of off whites, that are more true to the priniples of "by the people, for the people, of the people" then the ones that tend to fall in the charcoal grey scale.

so dont give me charcoal grey again, lets atleast go for a heather grey for now. some thing that is significantly truer to the concept than what we had in past.

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Pelsoy hails Pakistan`s role in restoring peace in region

US Congress speaker Nancy Pelosy in a meeting with Pakistans foreign minister Khurshid Kasuri at Capitol Hill, has praised Pakistans role in restoring peace and stability in the region. During the meeting, they discussed the ongoing cooperation between Pakistan and Afghanistan in the area of war against terrorism. The foreign minister informed the speaker about Pakistans efforts to control the border including fencing at selective places and introduction of the biometric card system to control movement, reported a Private TV channel. Nancy Pelosi highlighted Pakistans importance in creating conditions of peace and stability in the region and said the United States is appreciative of the country`s efforts. The foreign minister complimented Nancy Pelosi on her election as the first woman in the US history to be Speaker of the House of Representative. Foreign Minister Khurshid Kasuri also discussed the regional situation with Congressman Tom Lantos. He also had a comprehensive exchange of views with Senator John Kerry regarding the situation in the Middle East, Afghanistan and Iraq. Khurshid Kasuri also held a meeting with Congresswoman Sheila Jackson-Lee, the co-chair of Congressional Pakistan Caucus, during which they reviewed US-Pakistan bilateral relations and overall cooperation in diverse fields. They also discussed the situation on border with Afghanistan.

http://paktribune.com/news/index.shtml?181793

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Well said Patriot! :jhanda:

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Probably, when he is not meeting Osama Bin Laden in the Afghan mountains, a man he seems to admire greatly.

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Aha I see. If Musharaf is not in power who will be? Should we invest in BB? Will that be better for you?