Re: Musharraf to Karzai: “Put your own house in order”
Good point. It was local Afghan Pashtun Taliban that massacred Hazara Shia’s not foreigners.
Re: Musharraf to Karzai: “Put your own house in order”
I have no idea what your point is. I proposed no pathanistan, but you and others like you constantly keep bringing it up, so I made a witty remark on it. I would imagine pashtuns would go back to pathanistan when this becomes reality. I’m sure it is a great superpower in your mind already. Good luck to your cause.
Re: Musharraf to Karzai: “Put your own house in order”
Wow…this has got be one of the most blatant twisitng of history to make one feel better about himself and/or his people. I really hope for your own sake that you don’t believe half of the nonsense you post here.
You just can’t admit that the Punjabi-Pushtun alliance are the main creators of Taliban, can you? Pashtun tribals have been fighting for one reason and another even before there was a concept of “Hindustani Muslims”. The non-vioelnt red shirt movement was an exception to this rule, not the entire basis of Pashtun history as you would like us to believe. Get over yourself already. No one will think worse of you if admit some mistakes of Pashtuns. Ok, well, some people might, but no need to let them get to your head. Be proud of your culture, but don’t make it the only point of your existence or you will die a depressed man.
Re: Musharraf to Karzai: "Put your own house in order"
I think we as pashtuns should, but most of our in-fighting was based on tribal-lines. Even before Fakhr-e-Afghan Bacha Khan, most of our struggles to were based on uniting Afghan(pashtun) people (i.e. Pir Roshan, Khushal Khan Khattak, etc).
Re: Musharraf to Karzai: "Put your own house in order"
Afghan doesn't mean pashtun atleast not anymore!
Re: Musharraf to Karzai: "Put your own house in order"
Maybe the other groups within Afghanistan have a right to be considered Afghan as well, but the pashtuns on the other have the right to be considered Afghan, its our identity. Plus, it is mentioned in our papers i believe(domicile). Point is all pashutns are afghans, but I haev no problem in tajiks, hazara and what not to be encoporated wihtin the Afghan identity.
Re: Musharraf to Karzai: "Put your own house in order"
*There are 1.2 million Pashtuns in Karachi according to 1998 population census and a further 0.8 millions in Punjab mainly concentrated in Pindi. *
**Please return them back to us and we would have them resettled in the future "Pathanisistan", as Kehkashan has proposed, somewhere around Helmand or Arghandab river or in Ghazni or on Nangarhar plains or Peshawar.* We already have a problem. We have more population on East of Durand but more area on West of Durand. The "Pathanistan", as proposed by Kahkeshan will have an area of 5 lack square kilometers (2 lach square miles). It will be at the juncture 4 important worlds i.e. Middle East (Iran), Central Asia, Sinic World (i.e. China), and South Asia and will have an immense strategic importance and will be close to new and old centers of energy resources (we in fact will connect the 4 worlds above).*
No thankyou mate, you can keep the sand and rocks to yourselves, the Pashtuns who have settled east of the Indus consider themselves Pakistani and all of Pakistan as their home.
I have lots of family in Peshawar and Attock but we have a brill house in a posh area of Islamabad and I love Isb more than my grandparents village, and I love the Urdu speaking lifestyle, we've worked hard for it and are not going to part with it so easily, I know many Pashtuns living in "Pakhtoonkhwa" are jealous of us, because we're a jealous kind of people but if they want to excel and prosper they should be prepared to work hard for it like us and the Punjabis and the Karachites, it is nobody elses fault that they are stuck in poo, it's their own fault for being so attached to their backward mentality and customs, Pakhtoonwaali wont get you anywhere, education and hard work will. You can blame ""Indian Islam"" all you like but that's not diagnosing the real problem so you'll never be able to cure anything, be realistic for God sake, the real problem is our own ignorant mentality/Pakhtunwali.
You make it sound so simple and straightforward, like Pashtuns around Pakistan are going to give up their livelihoods and chances of a better future for their children just because some nincompoop nationalists want everyone to live in a cave like themselves.
What are they going to feed their kids on in Pakhtunkhwa? Enemy tribes' flesh? What's Pakhtunkhwa's economy going to run on? Sand?
Duhh be realistic dude, Pakistan is best for Pukhtoons, other options will only push our simpleton people more into backwardness, let our people move to Karachi and Lahore for education and work so that they can benefit themselves and their country, let Punjabis go to Balochistan and build Gwadar because if today's Balochi doesn't benefit much from it (as he is unqualified to do anything beyond the dirty work coz his Sardar denied him education) his children certainly will, when the area is modernised there will be academic and career prospects for young Balochs so that they can study and make it big in life, it will be a blow on the faces of all the ugly big nosed Saradars who are currently ruling the butts of poor Balochs and enslaving them in the name of Baloch nationalism, nationalism which wont earn them anything.
Re: Musharraf to Karzai: "Put your own house in order"
Its not like pashtuns are living any better east of the durand. However, it can get better and if Pakistan government actually did help to bring harmony between the ehnic groups, maybe there wouldn't be "nincompoop nationalists". If today Pakistan is doing wel, who can say that twenty years down the road Afghanistan is econmically mroe stronger, so will you shift your loyalty towards Afghanistan, and buy a house in the posh area in Kabul? Look bro, I have no problem with pashtuns who are proud of Pakistan. Pastunkhwa has potential to rebuild its economy, and move forward, but it is gonna take time. You are right to a certain extent, we have to stop blaming everyone else for our problem but why don't you propose some solutions? Pashtunwali may not help us as you say, but it defines a pashtun. What is a Pashtun without Pashtunwali? Yet it still needs some changes to bring it to the modern world, and we have to end the whole tribalism, and regionalism. No poeple benfits from sending their people to another city for work, so lets work to bring economical oppurtunities back to Pashtunistan (I am not going to go after those who study in other cities or anything, but inshallah gving back to your own pashutnkhwa in the long run is beneficial). Plus, maybe certain pashutns enjoy the urdu-speaking lifestyle more power to them. However most pashtuns don't want t lose their pashtun identity. I believe all cultures should be accepted and tolerated, but I think pashtun leaders should propose new ways to revive our culture (i suggested bringing back naway kaal-nouroz, poetry, seminars on Pashtun/Afghan history)