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....'and I also pray to Allah that Kiyani remains loyal to me' - Musharraf :)
hah and he must be praying for that more than anything else right now
its an end of an era no doubt, other than that dont think much will change, he still has a firm grip over the army even as a civilian
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His hands were shaking when he was trying take the stick of command out of the cradle :D
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... I am proud that I am leaving Pakistan Army in best condition ever as far as equipments are concerned ......
What a joke.
He has left the army demoralised and never in the history of our country has the army's standing been lower in the people eyes than it is now. All due to the third rate leadership of Mush. Shame on him and good riddance.
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What a joke.
He has left the army demoralised and** never in the history of our country has the army's standing been lower in the people eyes than it is now.** All due to the third rate leadership of Mush. Shame on him and good riddance.
So true
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Long live President & Commader-in-Chief Pervez Musharraf. :k:
Long live COAS General Ashfaq Kiyani. :k:
It is so heartwarming to read that so many people are still pinning their hopes on the Generals of the Pakistan Army to take (or keep) charge of Pakistan. LONG LIVE PAKISTAN ARMY ALWAYS!
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So how much are you paid for all these long live mushrraf slogans? Are you paid x amount per post or x amount per thread?
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Alhamdulilallah. So far he has proved to be the greatest leader since Quaid-e-Azam. History will remeber him well. Long may he continue. :k:
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There is no doubt that Kiyani would be loyal to President, as being Chief of armed forces since last 9 years and in army for 46 years, Musharraf must be knowing very well the temperament and character of all his Juniors, that he promoted them to level of generals what they are today, as after post of Major and at most to colonel, further promotions are discretionary. We should remember that all present officers are promoted to their post by President. I believe that Kiyani must be Colonel (or could be brigadier) when Musharraf took over as Army Chief.
Nevertheless, whoever would be Chief, certainly they would be more loyal to President who was their chief than any politician, still if any general would venture anything, what you think, other army generals would allow that? In Pakistan, Chief of armed forces could not do anything, as they depend on other generals and junior officers and it could be anyone's guess that who the army would be more loyal to.
can't read too much into that my friend. Remember Zulfikar Ali Bhutto had been in office from 1971-1977 so every general at the time upwards from Major. Gen. to Zia had been appointed by him and look what happened. Same was the case with Nawaz Sharif. And remember during every coup a few Generals do resign gracefully in keeping with true professionalism like Lt. Gen. (retd.) Kuli Khan did in 1999.
I am not saying Kiyani would stage another coup. If he is intelligent he would have quickly spotted the growing public distaste for further military rule. Just give Gen. Kiyani a few months. He will be his own man. If the main political parties boycott the Jan. election and there is growing political unrest it is possible that Kiyani might do a Kakar (1993 when he advised both GIK and NS to leave in the country's best interests) and ask Mush politely' to leave the scene in the national interest. So nothing can be discounted.
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lol @ since Quaid… so how much are you paid by Uncle Musharraf?
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In the future indeed. *‘President General Kiani’ - *it has such a nice ring to it. 
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His hands were shaking when he was trying take the stick of command out of the cradle :D
He probably thought Kiyani might start beating him in front of everybody with the same stick murgga benaa kay. :D
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LOL. 
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He probably thought Kiyani might start beating him in front of everybody with the same stick murgga benaa kay. :D
So you mean dictator getting punished for all the illegal things he had been doing all these years right away in front of all the public.....no wonder he was shaking with the thought>>>>
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Well, you be the judge. Poor Mushy…you have to feel sorry for crying kid. 
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Guys any link to his speech, Youtube?! Thanks.
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i am all for regulated democracy. but it is sad at one level to see Musharraf hand in the reigns. forget the post 99 period, he thought in 2 wars for pakistan and was twice awarded medals for bravery.
he was a great soldier and a patriot. until recently he had been a good president too. i find it hard to say too much against him.
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The great leader leaves.
Time for vultures to arrive.
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Some complain that Musharraf deposed an elected Prime Minister. President Musharraf did not over take an elected prime minister ever (as he was not even in the country). When he took over, there was no prime minister, so-called Prime Minister NS was already got kicked, and was in prison. Army loyal to the country, fulfilling their duty to the country had already acted against a crook holding Office of Prime Minister, arrested him, and shoved him into prison.
As for NS getting sacked, the reason is that he lost his mandate to rule the country when Nawaz started breaking laws, and it was duty of police to beat him out of the office and court to give him punishment, what both did not.
NS breaking the laws: Apart of his corruption, that if any political person does, should get a huge kick from intelligence authorities and police, Nawaz broke the law by initiating attack on Supreme Court and further did treachery to the country by not ordering not to allow aircraft of Pakistan airline coming to the country of its origin to land. Both these crimes is first ever crime in any country, even most uncivilized country, by any person, even any dictator.
PM is crucial post where crooks and criminals cannot be tolerated for safety and security of the country, else country would go to dogs (get destroyed in every way). It was National duty of armed forces that when PM breaks the law, still police and judiciary is not acting against him for whatever reasons, they see that PM get punished for that.
As for politicians, people vote a politician on trust that they would serve the country and their interest without corruption and selfish actions, and if that person does than they lose the mandate even while in office. It is also in constitution (article 63) that a corrupt person cannot contest election, and if any corrupt person does, than they are contesting election on wrong declaration, and thus their getting election is invalid. It is also in Pakistani constitution that any corrupt person could not hold public office (article 62). So, even if a person holds public office (like in past BB and NS was holding), these corrupt politicians were not holding public office legally.
In other words, NS and BB contesting election was illegal and thus being Prime Minister was illegal. Similarly them holding public office was illegal and thus under constitution, they were never prime minister, but if they were holding prime minister office, they were doing that illegally, and all their actions as PM was illegal.
If army deposed NS than it was National duty that should have been done by police and judiciary, but when police and judiciary failed to do their duty, by default it becomes National duty of armed forces to act in the interest of the country and safeguard the country from corrupts who had taken over the office by deception and while in office broke the rule of the office required to stay in the office. One should remember that if that is not done, country could go to dogs easily ... what I mean is, if that would not happen, country would get destroyed easily, as with the help of money and deception, criminals and traitors could get into power through democratic means very easily.
Now, I would not like to say much but I am wondering what one can call people who support crooks and criminals holding public office and would consider that kicking such person who got into public office through deception (lying) and illegally holding public office or post of Prime Minister by army as treason.
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Great leader got dirty towards the end......you know :D
buri sohbat ka asar lol,,,,
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So what will the opposition now moan about - apart from now having to deal with two people rather than one. 