Re: Musharraf refuses to pardon British murderer
*This does not mean he would not try something like this in Pakistan. It is doubtful that either of us have seen his record on punishment in school, but anyone who can go to Pakistan and take a cab ride by himself for miles on end in the middle of the night is to my mind someone who likes taking risks. And doing runners from cabs is all about taking a risk, it's nothing to do with money, or at least in the UK it's not. *
the case made enough headlines in Uk that if there was anything in his records that indicated a troubled youth, or any crminal leanings, there would have been something about it and there is none.
*The story against him is, from what I gather, that of highway robbery..in other words refusing to pay up or not paying for his cab fare. This is most definitely not an illogical story on the part of the prosecution and this happens all the time in the UK, especially with minicab drivers..Doing a runner from a cab is a lot more logical than a cab driver getting all horny and pulling over for a quickie (as he stands to lose a big cab fare together with his license to drive and also a jail sentence). That's my opinion. *
he only stands to lose cab fare, and his license if he can be caught and prosecuted, if he can force himself on a guy, he can more that easily take the guy's wallet luggae and wat nots and toss him in the middle of the road. Who remembers taxi's plate numbers or anything like that anyways. not having some great dna testing back in 1988, it would have at most been teh cabies word against the dude's word.
In short, teh cabbie had nothing to lose.
*People would not have gone to the cops to report a rape in 1988? Rapes have been reported since Pakistan's inception, and for a guy from England, he would have the luxury of being able to get one of the better doctors to provide proof that a rape had taken place through an examination. *
If you recall the police reputation in the 80's not only were they not helpful, they would create issues for the person reporting it anyways.
*I agree on the last point, which is the only reason why I think he doesnt deserve to die and why he perhaps should not have got 18 years. But I do not believe (or disbelieve) his story that it was over the taximan trying to sexually assault him. There is no evidence for or against it, just his word, and I would not like to take his word. *
so you do not believe or disbelive his story, good, so basically there is doubt in your mind. The prosecution has to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt. That simply can not be done based on the info available. and then giving life sentence is ridiculous. It is also a shame that the pace of justice was so slow that he basically rotted in jail all those years.
*Fraud, this is totally ridiculous :D I cannot believe you cannot see the racial bigotry in your wording. You give me an article from GAYUK.com. That's fine, I'm willing to accept this weak source. Now reading it, it says that open homosexuality has come back to Afghanistan after it had been banned by the Taliban. What is the difference between homosexuality in Afghanistan and homosexuality in say the US? I can quote you stories of little Russian kids being groomed for sex, hell I can quote you stories of little Punjabi kids groomed for sex and all gay sex parties in the Punjab. *
first of all, that is just in one link, teh exact same story is reported in multiple sources. Yes it may happen in other places as well, but the basis of that in pathan culture is very well established.
and this is not about prostitution, this is about male child concubines of sorts. Not hidden away in some side alley doorway, but in the open.
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The point of all these articles is to show you that male prostituion is not something which is exclusively the problem of one group of people. If it were, you would have a point. **
yet again we are not talking about prstitution, but a cultural phenomenon of a male child concubine.
]However, it is not, so while there is a possibility that the taxi driver was gay and wanted to force a rape, the probability is no more greater than anywhere else in Pakistan or India or in fact the world. He would still have his whole business to lose by carrying out the rape,**
cabbies have robbed ppl left right and center especially in the late 80's to mid ninties time frame, and majority never got caught, never had to suffer any consequences, this guy had nothing to lose, nothing to be afraid of and all to gain.
** and I cannot see how you can say that one ethnic group is more prone to homosexuality on the basis of a UKGAYZ.com article that states only that boys have started to be groomed for prositution since the Taliban were driven out..Boys are groomed everywhere for prostitution, so the ethnicity of the driver should not factor into the equation. **
as I said the same article is posted in numerous publications. and ethnicity does play a role. I hate to be politically incorrect, but there is a stereotype and some of it is based in some reality is it not? I mean the culture actually has a term for young male concubines...
*I simply think this is a weak evidence you are relying on. *
Not weaker than oh the guy could be a risk takr and fare dodging is a type of risk so he probably did it.
*First paragraph I agree with. The death penalty was a silly decision and it's been changed. However, this does not mean he was innocent of highway robbery. The sentence should fit the crime and the murder was not pre meditated, it was most likely self defence, but it was possibly highway robbery. *
possibly...I nean not only can a first degree murder not be proven, even that it as due to fare dodging is also just a theory. u do not put ppl to death because possibly they did something, or let them rot in jail because possibly they ran a fare.
*Two brothers do not share the same genetics necessarily. One brother can be tall the other short, one can have black hair the other grey hair. It's all to do with how the genes recombine. *
yeah, but that is harsh for 36 year old, show that pic to anyone at random and ask them to guess the age, and I bet majroty would say he is in his 50s.
The civilian courts did find him guilty at first. After a while they were about to free him when the Shariat courts took over. Perhaps they decided he'd served his time for the offence of highway robbery and decided it's time he should be let free. I do not know the details of the case, but I do not presume his innocence in this.
law is that a person is presumed innocent until proven guilty. He was treated as guilty ithut courts being able to prove jack.
the point remains what superduper insights did shairat court have that they were able to convict him for murder...while any reaonable perosn, yoursel included, would agree that at its worst this was an accidental death or manslaughter.
This is no evidence and bordering on racial bigotry. And the translation is a total mistranslation..