Yes, but the people of Pakistan want Iftikhar Chaudhry back as their CJ, PCO or ECO can goto hell for they care.
like a kid wanting a candy and since father loves him he will run to the shop and buy him a candy. RESTORATION of judges is not something like buying a candy from shop and nor Parilement is a candy shop.
like it or not LFO, & PCO are part of the constitution and it should be treated ACCORDINGLY. people should learn to grow out of that EMOTIONAL type of Politics and be practical.
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Still it doesnt give them the right to interfere in civilian business, **has that ever happened in a country like India? **It also explains why they are eons ahead of us now.
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and what you think is the reason behind that? In Indian the core of political system is their MIDDLE CLASS. In INDIA leadership doesn't run in FAMILY. DOES ANY POLITICIAN in Pakistan has courage to ABOLISH FEUDAL SYSTEM as INDIA did? I dun think so
and yeah please dun bring that pathetic MQM argument now coz I dun expect you to be that dim; as in your point of view if I dun support NS or Zardari (Feuds) then I belong to MQM for sure. :p
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Not really, and also, who says these generals are competent? We all know how competent our dictator in chief turned out to be.
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you need to learn something SPock :D for any argument ther e are not just TWO point of views, when I said INCOMPETENT leaders it DOESN'T make generals COMPETENT by default. like for example If I say Zardari is the wisest person living, it doesn't make NS the dimmest by default.
K Khan, indian feudal system was curtailed (not abolished) by a politician, not the army.
Secondly feudalism is not inherently bad or good. It is an outdated system of power that used to be the norm in undeveloped areas all over the world. In no way is its forced removal necessary, infact as modernity spreads (and it inevitably does) more egalitarian systems start taking their place.
The democratic thing to do is not to argue for the abolishment of feudalism, if you yourself are not directly impacted by it. But show what can be done with democratic means in areas where you do have non feudals running competetively (which includes many urban areas of Pakistan). This ofcourse assumes that local governments have control, which is a prerequisite for getting over this feudal/non-feudal argument.
Nothing exists in a bubble, if massive khushhaali occurs as a result of non-feudal rule, then eventually feudalism will die out, or lose its importance.
like a kid wanting a candy and since father loves him he will run to the shop and buy him a candy. RESTORATION of judges is not something like buying a candy from shop and nor Parilement is a candy shop.
Yeah because Musharraf sympathizers know darn well what will happen to the illegit dictator once Iftikhar Chaudhry returns.
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and what you think is the reason behind that? In Indian the core of political system is their MIDDLE CLASS. In INDIA leadership doesn't run in FAMILY. DOES ANY POLITICIAN in Pakistan has courage to ABOLISH FEUDAL SYSTEM as INDIA did? I dun think so
and yeah please dun bring that pathetic MQM argument now coz I dun expect you to be that dim; as in your point of view if I dun support NS or Zardari (Feuds) then I belong to MQM for sure. :p
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Yes, because MQMers usually come up with that argument, which is silly because their leadership consists of Dons and gangsters. If you despie feudals, then you shoudl also despise such crooks. India had plenty of problems, but their army didnt all of a sudden decide to make the country a joke in the world and impose unnecessary coups.
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you need to learn something SPock :D for any argument ther e are not just TWO point of views, when I said INCOMPETENT leaders it DOESN'T make generals COMPETENT by default. like for example If I say Zardari is the wisest person living, it doesn't make NS the dimmest by default.
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It is you who should learn, after a decade of bad governance, still trying to defend a weak unpopular dictator. If you agree hes incompetent like the politicians, then why do you have a problem with choosing someone who the people want?
Yeah because Musharraf sympathizers know darn well what will happen to the illegit dictator once Iftikhar Chaudhry returns.
you really make me laugh Spock. you really THINK that PPP will support such move! and who says Supreme court of Pakistan take such actions on it's own!
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Yes, because MQMers usually come up with that argument, which is silly because their leadership consists of Dons and gangsters. If you despie feudals, then you shoudl also despise such crooks. India had plenty of problems, but their army didnt all of a sudden decide to make the country a joke in the world and impose unnecessary coups.
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this only shows that how one closes his mind to all other views and sticks to what HE thinks is right, that is an other reason Indians are better than us since they are not CLOSED minded like us.
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It is you who should learn, after a decade of bad governance, still trying to defend a weak unpopular dictator. If you agree hes incompetent like the politicians, then why do you have a problem with choosing someone who the people want?
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go back to all of my REPLIES posted in this section and check WHEN I supported HIS actions. as I said before there are not JUST TWO sides of any argument.
you really make me laugh Spock. you really THINK that PPP will support such move! and who says Supreme court of Pakistan take such actions on it's own!
You are making me laugh out of disgust for your support of dictatorship. May I remind you right before they were ousted, the Supreme Court, ON ITS OWN, took action and investigated property fraud, human trafficking, illegal detentions etc. Forgot about all that?
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this only shows that how one closes his mind to all other views and sticks to what HE thinks is right, that is an other reason Indians are better than us since they are not CLOSED minded like us.
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As mentioned earlier, your mind is closed, since you are forgetting everything that happened in the last 10 years, but fail to forgot what happened before that.
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go back to all of my REPLIES posted in this section and check WHEN I supported HIS actions. as I said before there are not JUST TWO sides of any argument.
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Sorry, dont have the time or wish to go through that, but what you are saying now is defending dictatorship, nothing else.
Two parties dominate Pakistani politics. One is PML and the other is PPP. PPP is ruling the country now after a few years people will get disillusioned with it and turn to PML...which means Nawaz Sharif.
I prefer Nawaz Sharif over Zardari any day. Nawaz Sharif has accepted and apologised for his past mistakes. I deally I would prefer someone like Imran Khan but since its is not going to happen Nawaz Sharif it is.
You are making me laugh out of disgust for your support of dictatorship. May I remind you right before they were ousted, the Supreme Court, ON ITS OWN, took action and investigated property fraud, human trafficking, illegal detentions etc. Forgot about all that?
I am not forgetting it at all, thats why I said it's a bunch of jackals and each party is fighting for it's grand share. so in your opinion a chief justice with personal prejudice will do justice! what world you are living in Spock!
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As mentioned earlier, your mind is closed, since you are forgetting everything that happened in the last 10 years, but fail to forgot what happened before that.
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I remember more than you can comprehend Spock, since my VIEWS are not based on what some1 is saying since last 5, 6 months. NS doesn't have that integrity PERIOD. he is still doing the same late 1980's and 90's politics.
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Sorry, dont have the time or wish to go through that, but what you are saying now is defending dictatorship, nothing else.
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jeez, you really are an Alien, should I say teh same thing in Klingon? :D
I have learnt something today, no point of arguing when other person have closed his mind to what has been said to him. now stop acting like a blond bimbo and register it. HE IS AN IDIOT like rest of them including Zardari, NS, CI, CHOUDHRIES etc etc. IF CJ has to be restored it CAN’T be done without touching NRO and CFO. NS KNOWS that and whatever he is doing NOW is just a POLITICAL drama to win hearts of some Pakistanis and nothing else.
Let me hear you openly criticize them. What I said is clear, Nawaz took a stance before his elections saying he will try to get the judiciary restored, and thats why the people voted for him, and he is sticking to his word, and thats causing khujli for you. Aslo, lets talk about Mushys betrayal of the Chaudries.
Let me hear you openly criticize them. What I said is clear, Nawaz took a stance before his elections saying he will try to get the judiciary restored, and thats why the people voted for him, and he is sticking to his word, and thats causing khujli for you. Aslo, lets talk about Mushys betrayal of the Chaudries.
:p I rather not since it's an insult to my intellect to make up my mind based on some political speaches by some retard politicians. PPP says they want to restore the judges as well, I rather wait to see an outcome of THEIR efforts BEFORE declaring one person the SAVIOUR of nation.
:p I rather not since it's an insult to my intellect to make up my mind based on some political speaches by some retard politicians. PPP says they want to restore the judges as well, I rather wait to see an outcome of THEIR efforts BEFORE declaring one person the SAVIOUR of nation.
have fun ;)
So why do you have a problem criticizing Musharraf? Why is it that you hold him in such high esteem, despite the fact that hes had 4 times more time in governance than any other democratically elected governments for the last two decades, and fared the worst? Lets see you talk about his glory or failures?
You are actually acting like a blond khan sahib, go read post number 33, I am not asking you to criticize the politicians who you have already criticized, I want to hear you talk about Musharraf and his allies, because when it comes to openly criticizing them, something seems to hold you back. Just saying 'they are all idiots etc etc' isnt very smart and elaborate thats how a loser runs away from an argument, try harder, I am sure you can do it.
You can start by talking about how Musharraf is wrong when he asks Shujaat to leave his partys presidency. That is what the topic is about isnt it? Lets leave Nawaz Sharif out this time shall we?
You are actually acting like a blond khan sahib, go read post number 33, I am not asking you to criticize the politicians who you have already criticized, I want to hear you talk about Musharraf and his allies, because when it comes to openly criticizing them, something seems to hold you back. Just saying 'they are all idiots etc etc' isnt very smart and elaborate thats how a loser runs away from an argument, try harder, I am sure you can do it.
You can start by talking about how Musharraf is wrong when he asks Shujaat to leave his partys presidency. That is what the topic is about isnt it? Lets leave Nawaz Sharif out this time shall we?
com'n Spock you are better than THIS. wanna talk about Musshy an his evil allies and evil foes? lets start from MQM since you are OBSSESED with blaming anyone belonging to Karachi an MQM supporter. before we start that, go and read some history provided in the link posted in 12th May thread in this section. coz I know since you are not from Sindh and hardly LIVED in Pakistan, you are not familiar with ground realities in Sindh.
com'n Spock you are better than THIS. wanna talk about Musshy an his evil allies and evil foes? lets start from MQM since you are OBSSESED with blaming anyone belonging to Karachi an MQM supporter. before we start that, go and read some history provided in the link posted in 12th May thread in this section. coz I know since you are not from Sindh and hardly LIVED in Pakistan, you are not familiar with ground realities in Sindh.
HARDLY lived in Pakistan, abey I was born in Karachi and lived in Pakistan for 85% of my natural life, what are you talking about? Blonde moment again?
Coming back to the topic, this isnt the place to defend your MQM, its about Shujaat's ouster by Musharraf, lets hear your thoughts, again no nawaz sharif here please.
HARDLY lived in Pakistan, abey I was born in Karachi and lived in Pakistan for 85% of my natural life, what are you talking about? Blonde moment again?
Coming back to the topic, this isnt the place to defend your MQM, its about Shujaat's ouster by Musharraf, lets hear your thoughts, again no nawaz sharif here please.
who is having a BLOND moment here! this merely shows that you are incapable of understanding of what has been said to you from last two hours! I refuse to coment on this issue until you apologize for this insult.
now stop acting like a blond bimbo and register it. HE IS AN IDIOT like rest of them including Zardari, NS, CI, CHOUDHRIES etc etc. IF CJ has to be restored it CAN’T be done without touching NRO and CFO. NS KNOWS that and whatever he is doing NOW is just a POLITICAL drama to win hearts of some Pakistanis and nothing else.