Re: Musharraf limo ambushed in London
Thats because you never answer any of the question that are posed... Your Lying when you say you do... Your facts are NOT facts.. They are clear double standards...
You obviously have no point to make Saleem... So please dont argue when you have nothing to say... If you do, then answer the question in a concise manner...
- Why are you willing to excuse the Mushie govt ocrruption, and not that of the percieved corruption of the Judiciary...
Actually, judiciary and their performance (including corruption) is part of Musharraf government ... and when I wrote that ex-CJ was corrupt, that also means that I accept that there was corrupt elements in Musharraf government.
I am not giving excuse to anyone. I believe that more people lost their jobs with clear evidence of corruption (not victimization) during Musharraf government than during any past governments that came to power in Pakistan.
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2. What evidence do you have against the CJ? What was he accused of?
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Biggest evidence is .. Iftikhar not contesting the allegations and running away from investigation. If he was not corrupt, he would have contested allegations and would not have run away from investigations. Rather, if he was not corrupt, once allegations became public (as even before reference, allegations got published in newspapers), Iftikhar should have gone on volunteer leave and should have asked SJC to investigate him.
Actually, some elements in reference is such that if they were not true than only an idiot would have put that in reference and if they were untrue than CJ would have laughed at it and would have contested it with confidence. ... For instance, admission and job for his Son, and his Son use of BMW in college when Iftikhar Son could not have got admission in medical college nor government job, and in Iftikhar salary his son could not have afforded BMW (clear sign of coruption).
Other allegations in reference was about him using protocols that he was not entitled to or allegations about his misconduct and behaviour. His using judge office to influence others around him and misusing his Judicial powers. ... well, there are many allegations that was obvious truth that any innocent would have contested.
Allegations were not such that they were vague, as vague allegation means a chance of victimization ... but most were obvious and straight forward allegations.
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3. If Mush govt is credited with not allowing corruption in the judiciary, why is he tolerant of the many corrupt individuals within his own govt, with the army itself, and even the late BB?!?!
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Well, judiciary is most important element of any government and if judiciary is corrupt, corruption cannot be tackled. If a government wants to reduce corruption in country, first institution has to be judiciary.
Public perception ... according to survey done by TI ... is that, judiciary in 2002 was 4th most corrupt institution of Pakistan .. that under Iftikhar became 3rd most corrupt institution. Shows that instead of judiciary getting less corrupt under Iftikhar, it became more corrupt.
As for corruption amongst politicians in Musharraf government, they are part of government and not employees as government servants (like CJ). When they do corruption, it is difficult to punish them. Most politicians do corruption in such subtle ways that it is difficult to prove and punish them. If they are found living beyond their means, they create ways to show their means (source of income), like businesses or farm income. It is difficult for government servants to do that as they have limits to what they can do.
That is the reason, BB and NS is still free in Pakistan. A military dictator may become brutal towards them but at high cost.
As for government servants, if they do corruption, it is easier to prove that and they can get easily punished too if government wants to. One easy way is to see if they are doing corruption is their living standards and what they could afford. A government servant if living beyond their means, they can (and should) be asked their source of income.
As Political corrupt governments does corruption with the help of civil servants, they never care about their corruption and do not punish them. But it is non-corrupt government like Musharraf government that has made life of these corrupt government servants difficult.
Nevertheless, as for corruption in army (as you mentioned earlier .. with reference to Ayesha Siddiqa) ... it is more a BS than truth. No doubt that there is corruption in army but that is negligible compare to civil services of Pakistan and amongst politicians.
As for AYesha Siddiqa, most she mentioned is Army spreading their financial interest in country. But if they are, than also it is not corruption, as that is making army as institution rich, not individuals. Anyhow, Ayesha Siddiqa figures are wrongs and many things she says are obvious BS.
I personally know quite a few army officers (even Generalsl) and also civil servants (many Secretary level). I know amongst both that many are not corrupts even when they had opportunity (financial condition of some really surprises me), but nevertheless, I can say with experience that people in military are less corrupts than civil servants (especially civil servants that got to good position after Z A Bhutto rule).
As for politicians, I have seen many but not seen many who were not corrupt. Except politicians of some parties that have not made money for themselves, because of fear of their own party ... most from traditional parties like PPP and PML, only used politics to become rich.
Now you started same old ranting that I and many have answered 100s of time. Seems that even if Angel Jabrael (AS) would come to tell you facts, you will keep jumping to your ‘may na manu’ attitude. Bhai .. aap khush raho … aur bahkay raho 
I like it, thanks