I disagree with the above. What about, Ahmadis, Christians, Hindus, women rights followers - what period they think was the worst? Pakistanis have treated these communities the worst. May god give these Pakistanis respect in Pakistan rather than being treated like state enemies. Ameen.
Oh please stop crying crocodile tears for minorities in Pakistan. We have problems like any developing country, but you should look in your own backyard. Never in our short history has there ever been mass murder of minorities like in your country, India.
Remember mass murder of Sikhs after Indra Gandhi's assassination? Or how about in the case or Barbri Masjid or Gujrat? Or how about all those untouchables....200 millions of them? When will they get some respect in so called world's largest democracy?
He was there to protest against the recent killings of civillians Baluchistan.
I’m only siding with the truth and justice.
And Shamraz is not wrong in saying that Mushrraf is the worst leader.
See for yourself:
When Musharraf came to power, he claimed that the corruption in the government bureaucracy would be cleaned up.[42]](Pervez Musharraf - Wikipedia) However, as many analysts have noted, his regime has done little to quash corruption, even years into his administration.[42]](Pervez Musharraf - Wikipedia)
According to a survey by Transparency International, Pakistani public opinion perceived the first and second terms of Musharraf’s administration as respectively more corrupt than the first and second terms of previous administrations led by Bhutto and Sharif, respectively.[43]](Pervez Musharraf - Wikipedia)[44]](Pervez Musharraf - Wikipedia) However, that survey also indicates that public opinion perceived the second terms of all three leaders as being more corrupt than their first terms, respectively.[43]](Pervez Musharraf - Wikipedia) And, furthermore, any one of those leader’s second terms was perceived as being more corrupt than any of those leaders first terms.[43]](Pervez Musharraf - Wikipedia) In fact, Bhutto’s second term was perceived as being the second most corrupt according to those sampled by the survey. Musharraf’s second term was perceived as being the most corrupt term of office among the those of the three leaders.[43]](Pervez Musharraf - Wikipedia)
According to a combined poll by Dawn News, Indian Express and CNN-IBN, a majority believe that corruption during this administration has increased.[45]](Pervez Musharraf - Wikipedia)[46]](Pervez Musharraf - Wikipedia) An Asian Development Bank report on the state of the country during the 60th year of Independence describes it as a country with “poor governance, endemic corruption and social indicators that are among the worst in Asia”.[47]](Pervez Musharraf - Wikipedia)
He was there to protest against the recent killings of civillians Baluchistan.
He was there to highlight the human rights abuses in Pakistan by Pakistanis. Someone needs to stand up for the minorities such Ahmadis, Christians, hindus, and for women rights in Pakistan. It is a shame it is not the Pakistanis themselves.
OH come on guys enough, thats a level of security provided to a head of country. What if the President security shoot him ? ..the tomorrow news will be "Pakistan President Shoot down an innocent Londoner" ..
This will be headline news in most newspaper. What a sad state of affairs...Atleast being a nation we should not take our differences of opinions to other countries.
hareem01, I am not interested in jamat-e-islamic lectures!
The point is that he said that state sanctioned disappearances started under musharraf which is FALSE! They happened under bhutto [kasuri mysteriously got killed in a car accident for which bhutto was accused in case after his overthrow] and benazir & babar had tons of "fun" in karachi where man disappeared like crazy.
lol…
Ahamdis have been complaining recently due to the fact that they are still voting under the old system, where they can only vote from those within their own communities…
Under Mush, there were atleast two major attacks on their mosques…The one in 2005 in Bahwalpur comes to mind… There has yet to be an arrrest made…
Also, if you recall, the issue of having religion printed on passports… That had to do with the belief that it will somehow benefit Ahamdis who can then go on hajj…
Mush backed down…
Chrisitians have also been attacked under Mushies watch… 20 were killed in 2002 I believe…
Other then that, no significant improvment in their lives.
And did we ever find out who raped the lady doctor in Balochistan? The Army Captain seems to have gone off scot free! Real champion of womens rights this Mushie is!
Infact, it was the Honorable Chief JUSTICE Iftikhar Chaudry who order the arrest of all those involved in the Mikhturan Mai case…
From assad Hameed
Islamabad - The Supreme Court on Tuesday suspended the Lahore High Court order in Mukhtaran Mai case and ordered immediate arrest of all alleged rapists.
Granting leave to all the nine appeals in Mukhtaran Mai case after two days of consecutive hearing, a three-member bench of the apex court headed by Chief Justice-designate Iftikhar Mohammed Chaudhry directed Inspector General Police, Punjab to arrest all the respondents except convict Abdul Khaliq who is already behind the bars.
Other members of the apex court bench were Justice Rana Bhagwan Das and Justice Syed Saeed Ashhad.
“The respondents should be kept in the judicial custody and treated as under-trail prisoners till the final disposal of these appeals,” Justice Iftikhar Mohammed Chaudhry announced in the open court after hearing all the parties.
Nice smug reply! Good Job.. Perefect placement of a smilie to underscore your overly self assured confidence in your own intelect!
Why not!
But in the US, there are atleast checks and balances... There are many guilty of all kinds of crimes in the US and Britian... Millions of people who voted for Bush should all be tried for instance...
But getting back to reality... Mushies crimes, are his own. He is a one man show. He is not held to account by anyone. We can list Mushies crimes, but the effort would be wasted on you.
He was just showing his double standard. He should be protesting against Brithsh and American government that are killing innocnet (in Iraq and elsewhere) who are doing nothing to UK or USA. He should be talking about British weapon used by British forces.
What he want to do? BS about other country like Pakistan that is fighting people making life of peaceful Pakistanis hell and fighting state. Pakistani forces are not fighting innocent civilians but is fighting criminals and those who are fighting the state with guns and thier own brand of bombers called ‘retarded suiciders’.
Hareema, aaab atni bhie kiya galat bayani? Don’t feel bad about truth. You are just siding with lies and injustice.
You mean, propaganda mechine?
Sister, I would not have replied to anyone else post because I know that many are just propaganda mechines and truth does not matter to them, however clearly presented. Now .. this is what made me reply to your post (above paragraph) because… even though you like yourself to be presented as true Muslim (at least you try to), still it shows that what you really stand for.
What you wrote is completely lies and propaganda propagated by paid media by corrupt political goons, propagandist, or those who who misguide others for their vested interest. I know that lies do not stand but I am sorry to say, I thought that you call yourself Muslim but Muslim do not get misguided by propaganda and do not spread lies. Don’t you think so?
Please do not mind because I felt that it is also duty of other Muslims to point out if some one claiming to be Muslim spread lies, knowingly or unknowingly, as consequence of all spreading of lies is bad not only in this life but after death too.
I think that just because of your personal hate and perception, you are spreading lies. I do not know what would you answer about spreading and quoting lies, after death? If you were really Muslim and wanted to quote something, than before quoting you should have atleast tried to know the trith. Why you did not read what Transparency International really wrote and what perception they really came up with? Actually, I have put transparency site on this forum several time and pointed out above as lies, that can be seen from transparency site too (actually, transparency once saw people spreading lies quoting their ‘corruption perception index’ came up with ‘press release clarification on national corruption perception index’ too) … anyhow, let me quote you the truth again.
Transparency International: Transparency International did corruption survey in Pakistan between periods of different rulers. Even though it is human nature that people forget minor corruptions of past rulers as time passes, still NS and BB corruption was so overwhelming that people still remembered their periods as most corrupt, and certainly considered Musharraf period as period of Angel in respect to ‘NS and BB’.
Anyhow, crook supporters (including many famous ‘bikao maal’ journalists of almost all famous media outlet) tried to twist the survey report so unabashedly (bay-sharmee kay saath) that Transparency International got embarrassed and felt need to clarify their survey report, because corrupts were making media twisting the figures. Here is transparency site:
Box title: National corruption perception survey 2006 & 2002
You can read all of them but especially: Press release Clarification of NCPS 2006 (22 September 2006)
(NCPS = National corruption perception Survey)
If you want to read survey, here is there survey ..
**Question: ** In Pakistan which government was/is most corrupt in your opinon?
Results: This is the answer what Transparency Internaltion got: 48.7 percent said that BeNazir period was most corrupt. 43.03 percent said that Nawaz period was most corrupt.
3.17 percent said that Musharraf period is most corrupt.
2.17 percent said that Ayub period was most corrupt.
1.53 percent said that Zia period was most corrupt.
1.4 percent said that Z. Bhutto period was most corrupt.
Just look at figures of BeNazir and Nawaz … than compare that with Musharraf and you will notice that it is difference of sky with earth. You can see that compare to BB and NS, present regime is negligible corrupt.Transparency International survey found that 91.73 percent believe that periods of ‘NS and BB’ was most corrupt period Pakistan has ever seen. **Whereas even though Musharraf rule is current and many supporters of ‘NS and BB’ plus ‘so-called Jihadis’ wants Musharraf government to be shown as bad and corrupt, still only 3.17 percent though that Musharraf government is corrupt. **
**Comparision survey that you used to quote lies: **About comparative of corruption between first and second period of regimes. Since Musharraf period is negligible corrupt compared to NS and BB period, TI did two surveys. (This is the survey you quoted with full of lies, so for your own sake, read it carefully .. because it would be you who would answer your quote).
Two independent survey was done: One was comparision of BB and NS first and second period. Second about comparison of Musharraf first and second period.
[Both independent of each other]
Transparency found that BB and NS second period was more corrupt than their first period. Out of 100:
Seperately, Transparency also found that Musharraf second period compare to Musharraf first period (not compare to any of NS or BB periods) was more corrupt.
[Now think, this is comparison of present government first period with respect to present government second period … not with respect to NS and BB periods, as that was done in previous survey where … 3 percent considered that present government (government of Musharraf) is corrupt compare to 92 percent who considered that BB and NS period was more corrupt].
Here is the result:
Musharraf government (first period) = 32.69 percent
Musharraf government (Second period) = 67.31 percent
Total = 100 percent.
(note .. in any survey, result 100 percent is maximum, as such survey result cannot be more than 100 percent).
Now, corrupts and liars of the world media and their chelay chamchay using ignorance of people started the propaganda that … since 67.31 percent is more than what BB and NS got in their second period, than that means Musharraf second period is more corrupt … and ignoring the truth that these two figures is nothing to do with each other.
Note: One should note that since Musharraf period is negligible corrupt compared to NS and BB period .. well, 3 percent in comparison to 92 percent, and since there is very little difference between first and second period .. 50 percent being middle point, so first period was 17 percent less than middle point and second period was 17 percent more than middle point, it means that both period was almost negligible corrupt compared to NS and BB, even though Musharraf second period was sligtly more corrupt with respect to Musharraf first period (when politicians in power may be doing some corruption).
Example:
If there are 1000 fruits in ‘basket A’ full of Apple and Banana, and I count than write that:
44 percent in basket is Apple and 56 percent is banana (total = 100 percent) in ‘basket A’, than it means that there are 440 Apples and 560 Bananas in ‘basket A’.
On the other hand, if there are 100 fruits in ‘basket B’ full of Orange and Pears, and I coult than write that:
30 percent is Orange and 70 percent is pears (total 100 percent) in ‘basket B’, than it means that there are 30 oranges and 70 pears in ‘basket B’.
Looking at this report, if anyone start propagating that there are more pears than Apples and Bananas, because there are 70 percent pears .. that what they are doing is spreading lies and misguiding people. What you think?
So, sister .. please when you quote anything, try to quote truth and not lies, because some ignorant might get misguided, but those who know the truth (and also Allah) would only start considering you propagandist and liar.
I think most Human Rights people will protest Human rights violations EVERYWHERE! Just because you didnt see him protesting the Iraq war doesnt mean he hasnt.
The point here is that its MUSHARAF that is making life hell for peaceful Pakistanis… Its people like this who are out their protesting in defense of these innocent PAKISTANIS, at the hands of this dictator…
You really need to make your posts more concise… I think most of us want a govt thats might be corrupt but is accountable..
Mush is both corrupt and unaccountable… He punishes the just and allows the corrupt to go scot free…
So please Saleem, if your going to post long winded replies, atleast understand what people are upset about. This “they were more corrupt then Mushie is” doesnt change the fact that Musharaf IS a corupt individual (regardless of the degree), and that he IS a DICTATOR, and HE HAS commited human rights violations, he has no respect for cinstitution or the innocent people of Pakistan…
Trouble with you is you are more concerned with degree’s of corruption, then with actual corruption…
