Musharraf limo ambushed in London

[Sa1eem]

Re: Musharraf limo ambushed in London

@PaKpatriot1

The reason you dont understand it is because people are NOT lying… Im not talking about comparative corruption. NS and BB may very well have been more corrupt.. But there is far more complexity to the issue then just numbers.

What a complexity .. that this complexity can make a gadagar (Bheekari) person second richest person in the country withing few years?

BB and NS also had to contend with their govts being undermined by the Army, ISI and political rivals…

So, as past time they were looting the country? :halo:

BB and NS also didnt have the luxury of having Billions being given to them by the Americans..

Oh .. so that was the cause that both NS and BB became billioners from gadagari?

This has nothing to do with propaganda…
A democracy will be corrupt, especially in Pakistan, but that is because it is evolving..

Bhutto government was also democracy … before Ayub it was democracy too .. but in survey, amongst all 6 compared .. Ayub, Bhutto, Zia, BB, NS and Musharraf .. perception about Bhutto came out as least corrupt. So .. don’t you think your assumption that democracy will be corrupt is wrong?

[qupte]The Army govt, is corrupt aswell, but the nature of their insitution is such that their corruption is very different…
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Well, survey is about people’s perception, so if they are corrupt in anyway, why people still considered them less corrupt?

Comapring democratically elected govts with Military dictatorships isnt as straight foward as just throwing out numbers…

Why not? explain

These are two very different insitutions, run in very different ways under very different circumstances.
Its enough to write a thesis paper on..

I do not think so. Well, if so-called democracy has made someone lose their corruption money and perks, I do not care.

In the end, the point that seems to elude you is that ultimately, a democratic govt is answerable to the people… If we had an independant judiciary, which we had until Mushrafs emergency, we could have a strong democratic insitutions providing checks and balances.

A military dictatorship, is not answerable to anyone…

In Pakistan, I have not seen neither I believe that democratic government is answerable to people. That is the reason .. Khar use to say that if I would ask people to vote khamba (lamp-post) they would vote khamba.

At least I can say that military dictator in Pakistan is answerable to army commanders, but not politicians. Politicians are only answerable to their own whim.

So while corruption in a Democratic govt can be controled through the election process, the corruption within a dictatorship is without any control and can never be contained.

I do not believe that .. as in third world countries and especially Pakistan, democracy means rule of zamindars, waderas, Sardaris, and misguided religious leaders .. whose rules are naked of all responsibility or accountability.

At least military dictator comes from middle class and knows true need of people. They are more patriotic too .. as they are monitored in army from tender age of 18 … and if they are found corrupt, selfish, or even little unpatriotic, their promotion stops.

As for politicians, they can be anyone, even agents of Jews. There is no monitoring of their life and progress. They could be choor thugs like Zardari and NS … or could be even foreign agents. They could be anyone. I heard of a Kassai (from Halal meat shop in UK) who became politicians and later MNA in Pakistan. No one knows who is really behind the face of Pakistani politicians.