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His name is Nasim Ashraf, or NCHD Chairman Dr. Nasim Ashraf.
What is National Commission for human development ? what is it’s purpose ? is it like that 2010 Program that Nawaz initiated with Ehsan Iqbal, Another fraud that lives and eats on Pakistani Peoples hard earned money ?
I remember PTV conducted some chanda etc program where for this NHCD paki people contributed money, where is all that money now ? what is nhcd doing ?
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my dear...paki politics 1 rule is CORRUPTION... and musharaf is no exception
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do some research if youre so concerned and find out what happened to that money, instead of opening insulting threads...
and while youre at it, also find about what happened to the trillions picked up by millions of funds created by so many others, big and small alike...why blame just one man (Musharraf) who clearly hasnt made a penny for his self?
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so how u know he has not made a "penny"...oh bhai i m sorry to say tht army generals r the most corrupt part of our country....and yes blaming musharaf is not a good thing...there r many other corrupt groups...even NGO,s
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harris z: look are the bold and italic parts of my post.
yeah i have every right to question him, since he is part of the govt.
Musharraf hasnt made a penny ? are you joking ? if not you should get out more.
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Haris bhai, your political leanings are obvious, but you go too far to say Musharraf hasn’t made a penny for himself.
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and here i was thinking gupshups Fraudia was caught out :p..
Anyway to my knowledge nobody has been able to even allege wrong doing by Mushy..
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Nobody ‘alleged’ wrong doing of the financial kind by Zia either, then after he’s gone his son goes around saying he’s the richest man in Pak, and living like it. Army govts are by their nature a lot more controlling and hard to get info out of then civilian ones.
When Mush promotes people like the Chaudries of Gujrat, you know honest govt is not his priority. Nobody has made allegations against them recently, does that mean they are clean? I don’t think so.
As the saying goes, you know a lot about a man by the company he keeps.
Corruption is rarely proved, Zardari hasn’t had any cases proved against him does that mean he never indulged in corruption? We all know he did.
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well i never hide my support for Musharraf, but don't stop my self from being vocal against him in areas i dont agree with him either.
Zakk's point that no one has any authentic claims against him is imp.
why Zardari, Chaudrys roam around free is diff and whether Musharraf has made anything for himself out of his position is another. i dont agree with mush letting them go free while every 3rd person has proof of their ill ways. but, does every 3rd person have proofs against Musharraf at all...? if so, why not make it public? Media is more free today than it ever was before so why shy away? we'd all like to know if he has done anything wrong. we have a right to know too. writers like Cowasjee, Ayaz Amir, Najam Sethi have dissected all the wolves out there and they certainly dont belong to that cadre which can be 'oppressed' by the rulers, like Najam Sethi was by Nawaz Sharif. they speak their mind. how come even they have never ever had anything agaisnt Mush apart from his political stances now and then...?
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TRD I agree with you about the Zia thing..but the Media is far freer ..while in Zias time things were hidden quite bad..consider even in Ayub Khans time with censorship it still came out about the corruption of his sons…(Yahya Khan was not a corrupt person).. while Musharraf is dealing with corrupt people..that does not by default make him corrupt personally..also even in Zardrais case there might not have been a conviction..but there were substantive allegations..
Mushy ca be accused of being power corrupt..but financially…I dunno..Nasim Ashrafs NCHD seems to be legitimate?
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who do we need to thank for zardari roaming free? and who didnt make shareef family pay?
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^^^ Mushi Mushi Mushi
what about the nasim Hassan? if you dont have anything against him then why branding him as corrupt? what has he done,
I think he is doing pretty good and exceptional job, first goal is to get people to work for themselves change the life around them, by setting up new schools with the help of local people and then handing these over to state education department.
many people are voulanteer in this organisation. u can also sign it for this and actuly work for this cause instead of just branding fraudia etc.
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these are patrons of this organisation. now tell me if they are corrupt?
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Well, accordig to the constitution of Pakistan, Musharraf should have been hanged years ago, after the coup. It is bold and clear.
Whether or not he is corrupt, is secondary thing now.
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ok if Mush is to be hanged, make sure all those in power before him are punished for each and every crime they committed against Pakistan, the constitution, the PPC...that not just affected dreamland ideologies of some drawingroom intellectuals, but actually affected families, lives, careers, all for the worst...in matters of life and death...
and it is for treason you want him hanged i suppose, so also mention an alternative course that you think he could have taken on the morning of 13 Oct 1999, instead of the one he took.
If what he did was treason then allowing 'sectarian' killings in parts of the country is considered 'pavement of way for civil war' and is also a fom of treason. An army chief is considered a symbol of the nation's sovereignty; leaving him hanging in the air without notice, insulting him, is an insult to the nation and its people and thus leads to defaming and ridicule of the country, if a Prime Minister does it, we can define it as treason. so let's go in order and have Benazir hanged, with her accomplices, for what the country went through in the mid 90s, have Nawaz Sharif hanged, with accomplices, for his doings...and then we can try Musharraf.
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I dont see what was wrong with morning of Oct 99 !!
The elected PM thought the COAS did something unforgiveable in Kargil, and he fired him. Knowing fully well, that he would try the coup, he took some precautionary measure.
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I dunno. Where is it written in any parliamentary democracy? Name one constitution, and I will send u 1000 USD check.
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La howla wala quwatta illa-bi-Allah
looking at the title of this thread it seemed like that Fraudia was offered a rank within Pak govt or he was adopted by Mushi ... titles like these should be a crime.
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lostsoul, you can live in your realm...but it's not very hard to realize, or remember, that until after the Kargil war was over, both, NS and Mush were on the same side. even believing that what happened at Kargil was entirely Mush's doing is irrational, he had no reason to act on his own and what ever was done was done by NS's consent and agreement. later, it was again NS who abandoned the plan half way upon seeing Bill Clinton...ask any soldier who served the forces at that time, theyd tell you how mad they all were at NS for abandoning the entire plan and backstabbing them. when he did that, the forces retreated on his orders...so what is it that Mush did wrong...? and even if he had, what a professional and constitutional way NS chose to 'fire' a COAS...if you endorse his actions, there's no point in my talking to you about this at all...because i'm at the other side of the divide and clearly comprehend who did what wrong.
and thanks for the 1000$ offer, i didnt say it's written anywhere, somethings are more accepted and understood than quoted and referred to from books. you dont seem to hold a military commander of the nation who is reponsible for the nation's protection in times of threats, to be of importance, what can i say...? youre the exception, everyone knows what importance a decorated military chief holds for the country, its morale and prestige.
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Chanda, My involvement with govt of Pakistan and/or its certain agencies is something that I can nither confirm nor deny. You know that.
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yes its not written, its not written anywhere that a PM just act in haste to remove him while a COAS is away on offcial visit.
plus its not writtern anywhere that you superseed a junior gen to COAS! isnt directly imposing own personal wish on a national organisation?? that was the political mistake by NS, if he could have chosen a more senior gen to replace mushy, he could have got away with it.
is it also writting in world democracy books to attack supereme court of a country to be invaded and disgraced by uling party mobs?
what law abiding you talking about here.
other thing
if mushy need to be hanged, make sure you hang every one who has done similar or worst.