Musharraf Explodes in NY

Quite an outburst by the Pakistani liberals’ poster child. Such incidents are the result of having an incompetent dictator forcing himself upon the country. Someone should tell Mushy to go easy on the liquor.

http://www.dawn.com/2005/09/18/top8.htm

NEW YORK, Sept 17: Pandemonium broke out at a meeting organized to promote Pakistan’s soft image when after a confrontation with human rights activists an irate President Pervez Musharraf declared that those who opposed his policies were the enemies of Pakistan.

“You are against me and Pakistan,” said the president when a human rights activist referred to his alleged comments in a Washington Post interview which quoted him (Gen Musharraf) as saying that women exploited rape to get visas.

Provoked by a single question, the president allowed an event held to promote his government’s pro-women policies to degenerate into a bout between himself and part of the invited audience.

**“I am a fighter, I will fight you. I do not give up and if you can shout, I can shout louder,” said Gen Musharraf **.

“I wish you had quoted Muslim scholars as opposed to British scholars,” said the president to the woman who had quoted some American scholars to make her point.

Responding to the woman’s charge that he had retracted his interview to the Washington Post in which he was quoted as saying that some women used rape to get visa, Gen Musharraf said: “Lady, you are used to people who tell lies. I am not one of them.”

As the human rights and women groups protested outside the Roosevelt Hotel against the treatment of rape victims in Pakistan Gen Musharraf said that such protests should be held in and not outside Pakistan.

When a woman raised her voice to ask a question, the president said: “Are you a Benazir supporter? A lady was prime minister of Pakistan twice, ask her what she has done for Pakistan.”

In an indirect reference to opposition politicians in Pakistan, the president said: “We have introduced new leaders who don’t tell lies unlike your leaders who did.”

“You have disappointed me. I am disappointed with people like you. You work with people who looted and plundered the nation. You are against national interest, you have your own agenda.”

He said that people like her had some personal agenda for highlighting cases that hurt Pakistan’s reputation. “I know that there are people with vested interests and financial interests who are against Pakistan.”

The president also referred to the Post interview, saying, “I never said that. I am not so silly or stupid to make such remarks.”

Referring to some NGOs who raised the issues of Pakistani women outside the country, he said that they were also hurting national interests, prompting a woman activist to say to him that he should not pitch the state against the groups who work for human rights.

**When the altercation began to get uglier, Pakistan’s ambassador to the US Jehangir Karamat, who was Gen Musharraf’s senior in the army, approached the podium and moved the president away by gently patting his shoulders **.

The president, however, returned to the podium and said he was not against those women who were working for women’s cause.

Earlier in his speech, Gen Musharraf highlighted two issues — violence against women and gender inequality —, saying that the violence was abhorrent and shameful and his government was making laws to end this curse.

He acknowledged that Pakistan’s record on violence against women left much to be desired. “We should be ashamed of it and improve the situation for ourselves and the world to see,” he said.

But he firmly stated that he stood opposed to anyone who sought to single out Pakistan by highlighting individual cases outside Pakistan, given that rape was a worldwide issue.

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Counting all these, he will be nominated for the next years OSCAR for the best acting perfomance. :D

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well we can call him our leader?
oh wait he is,

we should just rape him, then give him a visa to his mother land USA

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Yeah right when Bush or Blair is in the room musharraff becomes a pussycat who can’t even say boo! fighter my left foot the only people he can fight are the pakistani people themselves!

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^ Thats what our army is good for, it is headed by buffoons like Musharraf and they can only fight their own people. Having lost half of the country, it's still amazing how much power and influence they still enjoy!

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^^Ok "buffoons like Musharraf" are not good enough? Who do you want to run the country then?

I'm sure people will be happier under the rule of Khalifatic Mullahtic Qazi! NOT!

O wait you would rather live under the golden rule of Talibobs or their Kabuli Kommie chamchas.

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I was at this meeting.

I actually like musharaf and found him very refreshing, straightforward and straight up about his patriotism...

regarding "pandemonium" there were probably 10-20 women in the 200+ crowd who were very vocal and had their own agenda regarding women's rights and would boo/complain but to musharaf's credit he responded to them and was not against standing up for women's rights, complaining etc BUT he was against people coming overseas and focusing only on pakistan and advertising it overseas.

my fav pt was when he said that he can't believe how someone could hurt women, he is against abuse and he can't imagine the type of man who would go after someone weaker than him. and he stands besides those women and supports them...the word weak....caused the above group to groan. Musharaf's response was..what you don't like the word weak? they said yes and he responded ok so i stand beside you all that are "strong"...ha!

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Also i don't remember any benazir comment..YES he did say he knows hte political agenda of the people who support the women's group...BUt nothing about benazir was said.

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Is he CM?

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Perhaps someone who has been elected.

Perhaps someone who knows a thing or two about politics.

Perhaps someone who wouldn’t have PR fiascos such as this and the previous comment about women getting raped to get a visa. He is really getting crucified on that, and rightfully so.

Perhaps someone who wouldn’t appoint ministers in exchange for getting NAB cases cleared.

Finally, perhaps someone who has a religion.

But I don’t blame you for supporting him, some people are still struggling to get out the pre partition slave mentality.

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Thanks for your post and your eye-witness account.

Pakistan’s curse are the elite – the drawing/living room activists. They can whine, they can complain, and they can TRY to upstage Musharraf but they don’t have the power to tame the culprits in the country. Musharraf handled them well.

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Musharraf is not a bad guy...as many people are trying to portray here....If he is not the choice...who is the choice...Benazir,Nawaz Sharif,Shujaat Hussain or Qazi...& Besides Pakistani Military has atleast much discipline then most of the institutions in Pakistan...No he is not against Pakistani people ak...he is more sensible then that...

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Amelie,

From this day onwards, you are my hero. I am dedicating a GupShup award in your name. I am calling it Amelie Truth and Reconciliation Award. Let me find a nice picture for that award & the deed is done!

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For some reason, I have started to be OK with Musharraf about some issues…

His outburst was a passionate one…We need passionate leaders…

May Allah :swt: make him religiously passionate too…

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Great, all these people who love to spread such negativity about Pakistan abroad, without taking into account the statistics abroad are just doing it to corrode the imagine of Pakistan, are enemies of the country, and they got the right sort of treatment from Musharraf.

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Ditto, very well stated and thanks for the eye witness account amelie…

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Musharaff is a fool who is now barking like a dog about women getting raped to get money how stupid can a leader get than that, because obviously he has lost his marbles.

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^ He has denied that he ever said that ak..get your facts staright ak...Besides i am sick & tired of the comments being mentioned on this Pak forum...they are full of hatered towards Pakistan or those who are working good for Pakistan...I know most of these comments are coming from those people who have much time on their hands... to hide behind the computers and spend their whole day ,energy & efforts on the net to come to some sort of a conclusion where Pakistan & Pakistanis look bad,...I know most of these are some low life Indians,Afghanistanis or Bangladeshis(3 countries that have been too much involved with Pakistan for the last 60 years & the last 2 think that Pakistan is involved in their backwardness without looking into their own backyard...India being the self declared enemy forever).....But let me tell all these Pakistani haters..Just sitting on the computer & vomiting this hatered & jealousy towards Pakistan wouldn't serve any of your purposes...

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^ Well, these guys use lies and twist articles to get their point across, no need to bother with them, no one really pays attention to them.

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hmm not a bad performance after that last faux pas, the whole anti Pakistani/opposition line doesn’t go down with me personally but thats Mushy

One comment got me though
“We have introduced new leaders who don’t tell lies unlike your leaders who did.”

:rotfl:
yes Sheikh rashid and Chory Shujaat don’t tell lies they just loot openly