Musharraf calls Ariel Sharon a great soldier!

ak47 · June 25, 2005, 11:04pm

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**CORRECT ** :k:

umer.ashraf · June 26, 2005, 4:21pm

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I said you are right about the partition in 1947 and its effects.
Now, read some history instead of using Mullah to prove your point. Every neutral source will let you know how Israel was formed and how many settelrs moved to make Israel.

Jewish population in controversial areas …pre-1948 1966 1972 1983 1993 2004
West Bank, excluding Jerusalem/Judea and Samaria ? 0 800 22,800 111,600 231,800
Gaza ? 0 700* 900 4,800 8,000
Golan Heights ? 0 900 6,800 12,600 16,000
Parts of Jerusalem annexed in 1967 ? 0 - - - 177,000

According to Israeli government statistics, just under 400,000 Israelis lived in territories captured during the 1967 war as of November 2000. This number is controversial, as it includes a large number of Israeli citizens who live in “East Jerusalem”, which was once, along with most of western Jerusalem, proposed by the United Nations to be an international zone under UN administration (former compromise proposal, Resolution 181 (II) of 29 November 1947, which the Arab states rejected); however, if the boundaries of that peace plan were used, then the number of Israeli settlers would be far greater, including inhabitants of the Galilee, the southwest, and many other areas. Maps of West Bank settlements [1] (http://www.fmep.org/reports/2003/v13n4.html#map), [2] (http://www.biu.ac.il/SOC/besa/publications/maps/settleme.htm). Since the Oslo Accords 1993 the settlers’ number on the West Bank and Gaza (excluding East Jerusalem) has doubled, from 115,000 to 230,000.
Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlements

There were some Jews living in that area before Israel was formed. Now there are Muslims living in India too. I and many other people are from families who were having some area in India prior to 1947. Now if Israel is right, then we must conquer India to get our are back too whenever we will have power. Hindus in India can have similar thinking too. If Israel is right and its leader is a great soldier then we are right in our thinking too.

umer.ashraf · June 26, 2005, 4:32pm

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:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Motivations for settlements
Complicating this issue, a number of reasons are cited from both sides for the establishment of settlements.

Palestinians argue that the policy of settlements constitute an effort to pre-empt or even sabotage a peace treaty that includes Palestinian sovereignty, and that the settlements themselves are theft of land that belongs to Palestinians.

The UN, various European governments, a vocal Israeli minority, and many NGOs view settlements similarly, arguing that they violate international law by making life difficult for Palestinians in the areas.

Some religious Jews assert the historical Jewish connection to at least some of the areas in dispute, arguing that their claim is at least equal to that of the Palestinians.

Many Israelis argue that the settlements are of strategic and tactical importance, disrupting terrorist activities.

As it turns out, the settlers themselves have varying reasons for living where they do. While some live in the territories out of religious or political idealism, others are attracted to tax incentives, more space, etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlements

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

antiobl · June 26, 2005, 4:44pm

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thank you. Punjabis have clearly shown that they can move on with their lives in post 1947 period. Sort of forgive and forget rule. They got specific area on each side of the border and pretty much respected it during the last 60 years (minus 20 odd days in 65 and 71 wars). No body from the East want to throw Muslims in the Indian ocean, so are the West Punjabis who don’t want to kill everyone in the East Punjab. That’s how life should be, unless one is an Arrabob or their MAToo follower.

Man! You give stats for annexed areas and superimpose them on the whole Israel! I’d highly suggest taking some courses in logic. Even Israel accepts the right of Palestinians to the annexed areas of Gaza and WB. However MAToo posts clearly deny Israel’s very existance even to the “mainland” Israel. That’s where we disagree.

Gaza is being evacuated as a test case. If Palestinians show their willingness for a peaceful existence, WB areas will be given to them in future. On the other hand, if Gaza fails to be a peaceful area, Israel will be back with a vengence. Sharon or whoever will be the commander at that time will once again whip Humm-p-@$$, Hizb or whoever is the Arrabob MAToo at that time.

That’s a typical MAToo approach that equates a sane, and rational group of people in Pakistan / Bharat to the Arrabobs and their MAToo followers. I say more power to all of them so they continue getting whipped by Pakistanis, Americans, or whoever is the general in area.

umer.ashraf · June 26, 2005, 4:53pm

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Well Israel is just formed like this friend. I am neither in favor of Arabs nor am I gainst Jews, but the philosiphy they use for Israel is unfair. I have just quoted what I was able to find on the net in a short search. Othersise take a look at encyclopedia Brittanica for details about Israel. It is not found on the net. There are many other sources on the net too to look but I could not have enough time to post the details..

See my other post above too. If we accept these reasons and accept Israel then there are many other situations where people can make same phiosiphy to construct their countries. Then we must call these people great soldiers and accept whatever they do.

antiobl · June 26, 2005, 5:16pm

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Hey Baba! Don’t accept the existance of a real country and continue following the MAToos. In MAToo wonderland neverland, sun rises from the West, every crow is white, earth is flat, and above all sun revolves around the earth.

God save us from Arrabobs and their MAToo followers. Ameen! Summa Ameen!

umer.ashraf · June 26, 2005, 8:34pm

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Motivations for settlements

Complicating this issue, a number of reasons are cited from both sides for the establishment of settlements.

Palestinians argue that the policy of settlements constitute an effort to pre-empt or even sabotage a peace treaty that includes Palestinian sovereignty, and that the settlements themselves are theft of land that belongs to Palestinians.
The UN, various European governments, a vocal Israeli minority, and many NGOs view settlements similarly, arguing that they violate international law by making life difficult for Palestinians in the areas.
Some religious Jews assert the historical Jewish connection to at least some of the areas in dispute, arguing that their claim is at least equal to that of the Palestinians.
Many Israelis argue that the settlements are of strategic and tactical importance, disrupting terrorist activities.
As it turns out, the settlers themselves have varying reasons for living where they do. While some live in the territories out of religious or political idealism, others are attracted to tax incentives, more space, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlements

Well read some neutral history instead of using some Arabs and Matoos sort of words to prove the existence of Israel. Why are many Jews and countries in the West don’t favor Israel. Just cause its unfair and based on rubbish claims.

MARSHAD · June 26, 2005, 11:29pm

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indeed he is atleast for people of israel. this man put a nuth in arabs noses!