Musharraf admits Kashmir militants trained in Pakistan

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Did Musharraf do the right thing by telling the truth? Pakistan had always supported the view that they do not train militants, they only provide moral support to Kashmiris. And now Musharraf has admitted what India has been saying all along that there is cross border terrorism from Pakistan and militants are being sent from Pakistan to India.

Musharraf also admitted about Kargil incursions…

Musharraf admits Kashmir militants trained in Pakistan

Former Pakistani military ruler Pervez Musharraf has told a magazine that his forces trained militant groups to fight in Indian-administered Kashmir.

He told the German magazine, Der Spiegel, that the government turned a blind eye because it wanted to put pressure on India to enter talks.
India has always alleged that Pakistan trained militants in the 1990s.
But this is thought to be the first time such a senior figure in Pakistan has admitted it.
Mr Musharraf said in the interview that militant groups “were indeed formed” in part because of the international community’s “apathy” over the Kashmir dispute.
The retired general also indicated that he did not regret the Kargil intrusion (by Pakistani soldiers disguised as militants) that led to skirmishes with India in 1999.
Apology “It is the right of any country to promote its own interests when India is not prepared to discuss Kashmir at the United Nations and resolve the dispute in a peaceful manner,” Mr Musharraf said.
Last week Mr Musharraf apologised for “negative” actions he took while in power, as he launched his new political party, the All Pakistan Muslim League, in London.
Mr Musharraf said: “I… sincerely apologise to the whole nation” for the “negative repercussions”.
But he vowed to galvanise Pakistanis and fight a “jihad against poverty, hunger, illiteracy and backwardness”.
Correspondents said there was no real likelihood of him returning soon.
Mr Musharraf seized power in 1999 when, as chief of Pakistan’s army, he ousted elected Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif in a coup.

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Is ghar ko aag lag gai ghar kay charagh say
(Bujhay hooay)
اس گھر کو آگ لگ گئی گھر کے چراغ سے
بجھے ہوے

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What Musharraf did is completely right thing to do. He admitted that Pakistan trained Kashmiri freedom fighters and at the same time gave valid reasons to defend Pakistan training freedom fighters.

World is not fool and already knows that Pakistan trained Kashmiri freedom fighters. What reporter wanted to ask is why? World knows Indian stance and also knows that Pakistan trains Kashmir freedom fighters, but reporter wanted to know Pakistani stance and justification for training freedom fighters. Actually, reporter by asking gave chance to a Pakistani National figure to justify their stance towards training Kashmiri freedom fighters.

If Musharraf had lied then reporter would have gone quite, but that would have achieved nothing for Pakistan except validation of Indian stance plus acknowledgment by world that all Pakistani leaders and national figures are untrustworthy blatant Liars, who could not defend Pakistani stance towards Kashmir and thus lie blatantly whenever they are asked about militancy in Kashmir, so Indian stance is true. That is obvious, as when Pakistan hides the truth then it only shows that Pakistan has no valid and justifiable reasons for that truth and India is right that Pakistan interferes in Indian affairs unjustifiably.

Musharraf told the reporter that Pakistan trained Kahsmiri freedom fighters because world was quite about Kashmir and India was not coming to negotiating table. Musharraf also blatantly said that every county has right to promote their national interest and that is true for Pakistan too. In other words, Musharraf told the reporter that if world is so worried about Kashmir freedom movement then do something to sort out Kashmir problem and/or make India come to negotiating table.

So, what is wrong with what Musharraf said? Only person who should be worried about what Mushraff said is one who does not want world to know Pakistani stance towards Kashmir and reason Pakistan backs Kashmir freedom struggle, so that world accepts Indian stance and consider that Pakistan is wrong in supporting Kashmir freedom struggle.

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Yes, it is fair to admit that.

However, it all undermines the Pakistani stance that it is Kashmiris who want freedom. Pakistan does not have a justification for keeping such a huge army anymore, now that we know it is not India but Pakistan who is the trouble maker.

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When Mushrraf was in power he & the army were denying that Pakistan had anything to do with what was going on in Kashmir. In fact, he was saying that it was an indigenous freedom movement fighting Indian oppression in Kashmir.

Also, remember the Kargil & what this clown did back then? He almost started nuclear war on the subcontinent. So, whats wrong with what Mushrraf said, you asked. He undermined the official position & could be subject to prosecution for violation of secret oath.

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Do you seriously think that you can get Kashmir by bleeding India? Pakistan is already paying the price of its Jihadi mentality and ruined the sovereignty of nation. It is time for you people to think positive about your country and move on by helping each other, otherwise you will get only one thing

Na khuda mila na wisale sanam na idhar ke rahe na udhar ke

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now its time other cat come out from bag and admit her presence to help extermists in pakistan.

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  How come giving training to Kashmiris who want freedom from India became same as fighting in Kashmir? Nothing is undermined, as Pakistan always claimed and still claims that it is Kashmiris who are fighting India in Kashmir.

Pakistan needs army because Pakistan considers Kashmir is part of Pakistan and India has occupied a part of Pakistan. Further, India also claims a part of Pakistan as theirs. Anyhow, with respect to population and GDP, Pakistan does not have huge armed force. Pakistan is not even competing with Indian armed forces as Pakistan spends fraction in defence what India spends that comes to around one dollar for every six dollar India spends on defence.

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So, Pakistan Army is ‘freelance’ and ‘independent organization’? ‘No official patronage’ for Mujahideen? ‘No Army patronage’? What a liar.

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Pakistan is never going to gain control of Kashmir through force. That is Zaid Hamid's position.

Pakistan Army keeps Kashmir flash point to justify its existence and continued involvement in civilian matters.

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When Musharraf was in power, Pakistan never denied that Pakistan is not involved in Kashmir. Actually, Pakistan never denied that Pakistan has interest in Kashmir as Pakistan believes Kashmir is not part of India but it is disputed territory and Pakistan has right over Kashmir. Claiming that it is not Pakistan but indigenous freedom movement fighting Indian oppression in Kashmir is always the case.

Anyhow, indigenous Kashmiri freedom movement has support of Pakistan, and Pakistan would keep that support until Kashmir dispute is over, is always going to be the case, unless Pakistan abandons their claim over Kashmir. To deny that only harms Pakistan and helps India.
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India blackmail Pakistan on world forums saying that Pakistan support indigenous freedom movement in Kashmir by giving training and resources to them, and that is why situation in Kashmir is bad. Instead of justifying what Pakistan does, stupidly Pakistan try to deny it. But since World knows that Pakistan helps, World think Pakistan is bad guy.

If Pakistan would admit their support to Kashmiri freedom movement with justifiable reasons then world has to find answer for those reasons and India could not get away with occupying Kashmir, rather has to come to negotiating table.

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Well, claiming that Pakistan would support Kashmir freedom movement does not mean gaining control over Kashmir through force. It only means India unjustly occupying Kashmir, Pakistan has claim over Kashmir, and Kahsmiris have right to fight for their freedom against India.

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^ What are militants doing there? using 'love' to gain control over Kashmir? Why are we supporting militancy beyond our own borders?

If this is all true, then Pakistan has a right to support Taliban to gain control over Afghanistan because they have a claim over the country. India has a right to support BLA because they have a right to fight for freedom from Pakistan?

Were there any justifiable reasons for India to support Mukti Bahini?

I am just saying that what he said was right but what we are doing is wrong. Military solutions to political problems have always brought devastation to Pakistan... 1971, Kargil, Taliban, Baluchistan, MQM, Tribal areas...

If you are politically weak, have no say in international affairs, you do not go and try spreading violence. That's what Taliban do. You make yourself politically stronger, build moral grounds, be economically influential and world would listen to you.

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^ Are you serious? Can you read your own post and think what you wrote? :)

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^ I did. Yes, I am serious.

What are/were we training militants for? Politics 101?

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Ok... let me try to answer what you wrote (as what I understand).

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^ What are militants doing there? using 'love' to gain control over Kashmir? Why are we supporting militancy beyond our own borders?
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Who says that Pakistan is supporting militancy beyond own border? Anyhow, if Pakistan does that then Pakistan would be wrong.

[Supporting militancy in kashmir is not supporting militancy beyond our border. Kashmir is disputed territory and Pakistan has claim over it. Until that dispute is not resolved, Kashmir for Pakistan would fall within Pakistani border, though occupied by foreign forces]

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If this is all true, then Pakistan has a right to support Taliban to gain control over Kashmir because they have a claim over the country. India has a right to support BLA because they have a right to fight for freedom from Pakistan?
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What Taliban has to do with Pakistan or Kashmir?
[Actually, these thugs are fighting Pakistan to impose their devilish believes over Pakistan and Pakistanis are defending themselves from these thugs militarily and intellectually].

What India has to do with BLA?
Does India claims Baluchistan is disputed territory and they have right over Baluchistan, so they have right to support BLA?

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Were there any justifiable reasons for India to support Mukti Bahini?
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Obviously there was no justifiable reason for India to support Mukhti Bahini. Pakistan always considered that as Indian interference in Pakistani affairs.

Anyhow, Indian justified their interference in East Pakistan on world forums by saying that over 10 million BDs were pushed into India due to Pakistani oppression in East Pakistan, that was putting burden on India and gave them moral right to interfere.

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I am just saying that what he said was right but what we are doing is wrong. Military solutions to political problems have always brought devastation to Pakistan... 1971, Kargil, Taliban, Baluchistan, MQM, Tribal areas...
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Why what we are doing is wrong? Kashmir is disputed territory. Pakistan has claim over Kashmir. India is occupying Kashmir using force. Pakistan has to support Kashmiris to fight Indians in every ways, not just for Kasmiries but also because Kashmir is disputed territory and Pakistan has claim.

India occupied Siachen across ‘line of control’ in 80s same way Pakistan occupied Kargil across ‘line of control’ in 90s. No difference. If India can justify their occupation then Pakistan could have done that too. Only difference is that, Indian politicians fought their case properly on international forum but Pakistani politicians put down their shalwar on international forum. At least idiot Nawaz could have told Clinton that Pakistan would pull out of Kargil if India pulls out of Siachen, but no, when Clinton shouted at him, he has to start p*ssing and wetting his Shalwar.

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If you are politically weak, have no say in international affairs, you do not go and try spreading violence. That's what Taliban do. You make yourself politically stronger, build moral grounds, be economically influential and world would listen to you.
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Pakistan is not spreading violence in Kashmir, Pakistan is only supporting Kashmiris fight for their right, not because Pakistan does that as routine, but because Kashmir is disputed territory and Pakistan is part of that dispute.

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now when everyone took good care of his recent stupid blurts he's taking another turn for more attention and staying in media. when he opens his mouth, this loser doesn't even know what he's talking about. a good favour done to india by the tablanawaz burda farosh

in the same interview this traitor said
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Mr. Khan is a characterless man.
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mush is such a shame to the country

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baat tu sach hai magar baat hai rusvieee ke

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Not suprised. Last time I was in Pakistan I talked to a serving general who said that Pakistan did this in the past, but that this support for training miltiants to fight in Kashmir rapidly spiralled out of control into the broader militancy within Pakistan today. There is a faction in the army which has belatedly realized that it was a huge mistake.

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Remember his and wife visit to India? He came before any joint statement was to be issued with Atal Bihari Vajpayee the Indian PM. He cut short his visit because Indian PM wanted him to stop his Kashmir interference. What he did then, he vhemently denied and rushed back to Pakistan. Do you remeber that? If he was ‘mard’ he should have accpeted before India PM not now. Stupid and retard general Pakistan had to ruin the country.