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who knows, this whole drama was staged for this very purpose :-)
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jab kaha tha keh sharafat say garri mein beth kar jao toh kya zaroori tha punga laina politicize karna aur insist karna keh naheen ji hum paidal jayen gaye..
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Mushy has gone too far. To suspend a man who refused to bow at the altar of military rule and stood for judicial independence is unacceptable. Mushy has no bigger supporter then me on this forum, but this is just wrong.
Opposing a junta is no reason to be under arrest. The facade of judicial independence and democratic institution building has been exposed.
political motivations or altruistic reasons at the base of this whole thing...CJ would have no issues if he did not do any hanky panky.
even al capone was not busted on mob ties, but on tax evasion.
so suspension of CJ may or may not be politically motivated, but hey, if the reasons are true, then he needs to be held answerable to those, no matter the motivations of anyone else.
him summoning ppl in his office and blasting them about reporting on his son's deals and using SC as some platform to push media ..now that was not very cool either.
as I have stated before, just cuz ppl dont like some guy, does not mean the other side is right.
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Is there any doubt that chief justice was accused of malpractice before President Musharraf took step of sending his name for enquiry?
Obviously there is no doubt of being accused, as even there is a thread on this forum to prove that chief justice was accused of malpractices much before President Musharraf took step of sending his name to Supreme Judicial council for enquiry.
Now, I could not understand that if Chief Justice is innocent of malpractices, why chief justice is so scared of enquiry? He should have facilitated and helped with enquiry of SJC in all way, clear his name and start working as Chief Justice again, without any accusation on him lingering and without any tainted name.
If chief justice is guilty of those accusations against him, then what he is doing is probably right, taking help of corrupt lawyers and past mega corrupt political parties, as he might be thinking that these corrupts would be able to make so much hue and cry, it might save him from getting sacked.
But I believe that he may be corrupt but not idiot, and knows that if accusation against him is right, nothing can save his skin from getting sacked. So, probably he joining hand with past mega corrupts so that, if and when these corrupts ever come back to power again, they might remember this corrupt chief justice too and might be able to use him to help them in legal corruption.
Jiss mitti say bana tha yea insaan (Mitti of chief justice)
Mil giya ussi mitti say bila akhir (With mega corrupts of the past)
Corruption may kuch tou maza hay yaroo
Laga hay mela her sue in hee logoon ka
Per akhrat kee inhay parwah hee nahie
Jalayein gay Jahanum may yea bila akhir
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so with CJ he is also saying that he does not consider the council reliable because some ppl have sharges against them..aray bhai you were their superior, what exactly were u doing in reference to those charges before all this happened. or was it one of those u scratch my balls I scratch yours type of deal?
and what is there to prove here anyways, using his office to pressure journalists to not cover stuff about his son's shenenigans, or the push by the SC against media that criticized stuff...thats not hidden.
lets seperate things here for a minute, is this guy clean or not, seems like he is not. of course he will want to politicize the issue to save his butt. job toh jaye gi, zaleel bhi ho ga.
how many wanna bet that if and when the joker is kicked out of office he steps in politics?
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^ Wah janab ...kyabaat ki aap nai..why he did not sit in the car...pehly bist kar kai uniform mai istifa talab kiya...phir 5 ghantay mahboos akha jaisy Chief Justice na ho koi peon ho....phir SC jana par taquub kar kai zabardasti JudgesColony lai gai or aik kamray mai nazar band kar diya ...akhbar..tv..net..doctor par pabandi laga di ...garia utha lee...naukar ghaib kar diyay aur phir aap ka kyal hai koi ghairat mand aadmi sarkari gari mai baith kar Zil-e-Subhani ki taraf sai dair kiyay gai rference ki samat karay...haad ho gai aap wali bhi.....C in C whose protocol no. is 8 in Blue Book of Pakistan..... how dare he to call him in uniform or resign and all such malicious things.....even if he is president(illegitimate as no constituton allows this) then also he has no right ..no power to call CJ for resign or non-fuctionality...he can only pass a reference to SJC......yai kaha ki badmashi hai kai goli aur bandooqkai zor par aap kisi ko jhuka saktai hai.....General tried to pose himself like Sultan Rahi but he completely failed to realize everyone has not the same a Nawaz Sharif...CJ Siddique or CJ Riaz or Rafiq Tarar......
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"SSG mentality" now has to bear the brunt ....... this is Chief Justice of Pakistan ...not your Unit Incharge Captain so and so or Major so and so ...who will bow his head down with his feet breaking th floor before your order!!!!!!
no sir...lets differentiate between army and civilians rules and regulations...it is not army that is to order is to obeythe CSP's like Qudrat-ul-allah Shahab even dared to strictly opposed General Ayub Khan on various issues ..at first General blowed but then he realized that the guy is right and he very much respected him....and then CJ is far far superior to any CSP and virtually the most respected personality of Pakistan ...and CJ of this repute ...who is world known for his bold and brave decisions aainst Government ...he is not Justice Sajjad hassan Shah or Justice Irshad hassan khan who saw thier seats and interests instead of law and constitution...such a brave and just man...and you treat him like a third lass civil judge...no sir no..this cannot be acceptable at any cost..in any case...... i stil wonder how he dare to call him to his offce in unifm...can you expect Bush to call american CJ in his office fr resign an then do all such dirty things...even Manmohan Singh has courage to do this with CJ of India whatever charges on him....... even if president call him...it is his right to say sorry and call him to meet CJ as this post is so sensitive that he should be completely away from the Executive.... No one dare to call himlike that and disrespect and degrade him in such shameful manner ........
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lets take out legitimacy of president, and whether how this was handled was right, becauser that is a circular argument.
If what CJ is accused of is true, should he not be held accountable for it? ...
lets answer that first.
he has been politicizing it because he knows he has dirty laundry.
with someone liek justice javed iqbal stepping in right now, he has no reason to fear that he will be evaluated unfairly, but then i doubt he wants a fair review because facts are stacked up against him, he misused his powers as CJ.
mixing this with all the other talk does not make his misdeeds acceptable
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I think CJ would do good adjustment in politics joining corrupt political parties. His mitti is of that type. Probably he did not do anything against those judges with charges, because he might be thinking that someday he might be able to black mail them. Unfortunately, he got caught in corrupt practices with his own pants down and now trying to find an island of corrupt parties where he could land after getting sacked.
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he needs to answer a point blank question, if there are charges of corruption against judges and for that reason he does not want them to review his case...what did he do to address those corruption charges prior to today?
and ppl...if CJ can protest having judges with corruptiin charges being able to review his case...why should he be the exception, he can not review cases while there are corruption charges against him. so he was suspended, that is not the same as fired.
when cops get suspended pending inquiry...they are not fired are they..unles snquirt shows that they should be.
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So true :). But those who are corrupts themselves (and whose ideals are BB, NS), they could not see the logic. For them, corruption is not such a big deal that a person should get sacked or even charged or enquired on such mundane issues.
Corruption issues are mundane issues to those that have seen corruption since the day they were born. For them, no one should be punished for corruption, nepotism or any malpractices, especially while in government.
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Inn corrupt logoon ko tou roti bhie hazam nahi hoti agar woh halal kee kamai kee hou. Halal kee roti say inka hazma kharaab hou jaata hay.
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Those that eat and spend their own hard earned money, they are careful with every penny they spend and won’t like to waste, as they have constrained resources and they know the value of money. Being Muslim, many may give it to poor but would never waste money.
For these corrupts, they cannot live in that way of constrained resources. They spend lavishly and waste lavishly. That is their life. Stealing poors and spending that on their own lavish life wastefully.
Just imagine that Zardari use to steal resources of poor Pakistan and waste them, even spend that looted resources on giving apple murabbah to his horses. While Nawaz, he also stole poor Pakistan where people die of hunger and this ganja started getting worried of his tind and thus spend millions to improve looks of his tind.
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sir whats your standards of accountability.....then you have to put 16 crore people behind the bars ......for accountability...LOL
if he is accused of accountability,....then General job is to only pass reference to SJC ....wait for Bhagvandas as koi qayamat nahi aa rahi thi kha bhagvandas ka intizaar nahi kiya ja sakta....so the composition of SJC is wrong totally ...oppise to laws ...as senior mosr judge not its member....... there are charges on two judges of SJC fr admitting thier 2 aughters to Medical Colleges ....... see a joke ...the accused will enquire another accused...if you say why CJ not took notice of it...sir he is man ..not a giant.....he completed 26,000 cases in 1.5 years mostly of severe law and order situations and human rights violation.....should heleave the case of 150 lost people and start enquiring the daughter's admission....and such small things...which are penetrate in our society like Octopus as virtually 0.01 % is free from such and similar like charges....the point is SJC himself not composed of angels...one of the memeber has stopped all his relations wth CJ long ago..as you know what politics happens when make judges and Cj of the high courts ...from infinite dimensions...you have to face pressures...orders....moey...greed... from PM ..from President..fron CM's ..from governors......the same old families in DMG...foriegn services and police and judges...want to be in top most position of Bureaucracy...you all kow this what happens i Pakistan...and what games are played here for seats and ranks...so you think all SJC memebers will take the fair and free trial for CJ......i am not sayig he is an angel...but rest are also not ........even more worse...so the best solution would be to wait for BD from india so constituionally no miscoceptions and no such anarchy...but General trickfully plan the whole drama while BD out for a long leave...first he threatened him so he first himself resign but when the man showed some courage which general was not expecting ...then general sahab zaleel harkato par uttar aai or baihiyyai or baisharmi ki tamam hadai uboor kar lee...the ASI is pulling his hairs...his caot......pushing his respectful wife on road while the whole world is seeing this "baighairti" .... and his teenager daughter Iffra ...a student
of BBA is weeping on the road in front of people for what is happening to his respectful father and mother in front of millions of people...... baighairat...baisharam ..baihayya General !!!!!!! his son wept while talking to Nawa-i-Waqt while telling whole this...... what the message you are giving to whole world.......i think General ko chuulu bar pani mai doo marna cha hiyyay is zalalt par......
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CJ ki biwi aur baiti ko dhakkay dainay walay sochay jab uun par bura waqt aai ga to phir uun ki baitio or biwiyo ko yoo sarko par zaleel kiya jai ga.....for the above one is seeing all this !!!!!
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A brave man even respect his worst enemy ...and see he is a CJ of Pakistan still as president has no no no power to non-fuctional him...dismissal is a very far thing...his case is not yet listened ...and guilty is innocent as far charges are not proved and you are treating him like he is a murderer ...looted money..... took bhatta.... drilled the human body....... bank defaulter..etc etc... General showed his cheapness...like his actuall low height...his spirtual hieght also showed us what he actually is !!!!!!
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Saleem sahab... if i tell you about the corruption of army... you will not believe as thier stories never come to media...who dare to meet with the iron hand of agencies..MI and ISI.....Mansoor-ul-haq and etc ...... do you think these Generals are angels or farishtas ...hahahaha. .... brother ...you are so "cute" and "innocent" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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**dawa_i_dil: **First of all, it is true that BD should have been in charge of SJC, no doubt. But I believe BD taking the charge of SJC as head is wrong too, because that would bring him in a position where the result of enquiry will conflict with his own self-interest. This conflict of interest would not be there if the case was not regarding CJ but regarding any other judge and CJ himself was away from office for whatever reason. Actually, BD not in charge of SJC means, it is much better for the enquiry of CJ (for CJ own interest).
The reason is that, if CJ is found guilt, it means that CJ would get sack and then who becomes CJ? It would be BD? Now, the head of SJC being Javed Iqbal as acting CJ, there is no conflict of interest. If CJ is found guilty then still Javed Iqbal will not become CJ, it would be BD. Thus, that conflicting interest related to BD means that morally, BD should not head SJC (even if he was in Pakistan, he should have given that post voluntarily).
As for President expecting resignation, the reason could be that he was thinking that CJ must be guilty of the charges against him. Thus, President must have thought that if CJ is guilty, it is best that he resigns, as if the case would go to enquiry and CJ is found guilty, that would embarrassment the office of CJ (rather all of judiciary) and CJ resignation would have saved that embarrassment.
But obviously if CJ is not guilty, its best that enquiry happens and he get cleared. I believe that President from the information he received, he must be thinking that CJ is not innocent and thus it would have been best that he had resigned. If President would have thought that CJ is innocent, he would not have sent his name for enquiry.
One thing we should remember that enquiry does not mean convicting someone of corruption. It only means, a fact finding exercise. That exercise would not be by President or people in government with President, but that exercise of enquiry would be by judiciary where superior judges would do the enquiry. So, if CJ is innocent, he should not have been so worried.
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why not BD as head of SJC ...is he a relative of CJ !!!!!!!