Musharaff & Shaukat Aziz lie about Pakistans debt situation!

facts and figures retreved from state of pakistan bank website you will need acrobat reader.

Pakistan’s debt situation has actually worsened due to mounting interest and the government has fiddled with the figures in order to claim that the debt situation has improved.
The government’s strategy is to increase the time over which the debt was repayed, debt-rescheduling, but the government has not only failed in this but the debt to the West has actually increased.

On 24 August, a government official admitted that Pakistan would not meet the Paris Club deadline for debt rescheduling on 1 September. The Finance Ministry official confirmed to The Nation newspaper “We have requested to the Secretariat of Paris Club to extend the deadline for striking agreements with different countries by the end of December 2002.” Furthermore, the State Bank of Pakistan’s own most recent figures reveal that due to mounting interest Pakistan’s debt to the West has actually increased in spite of the relief from debt rescheduling and joining Bush’s crusade on Islam. The debt to the Paris Club has increased from $US 11,822 million to 12,489 million.
http://www.sbp.org.pk/report2001/Q3-FY02.pdf
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Multilateral debt has increased from $US 13,343 million to 13,353 million. And debt to the IMF has leapt from $US 15,529 million 1,778 million.
http://www.sbp.org.pk/report2001/Q3-FY02.pdf
page 8

And the government’s own statistics show that over last 11 years Pakistan has paid US$ 7.2 billion in interest. Finally, what has enabled both Musharraf and Shaukat Aziz to claim debt has fallen is actually a fiddle. The State Bank of Pakistan announced this year that it will no longer accept liability for the foreign currency accounts frozen in the time of Nawaz Sharrif and has dumped such debt onto other local banks. So, the debt still exists but no longer appears on the government’s own debt figures. Pakistan’s worsening debt to the West confirms that the colonialists will not allow Pakistan to escape the debt trap, so that they can continue to extract more and more economic, military and strategic demands from her. This is why on 23 August the US shot down the government’s fanciful claims of a debt write off by confirming that it would only reschedule its US$ 3 billion loans.

comment: Musharaff and co continue there lies to the pakistan public even signing of a $3 billion rescheduling loan is seen as something good how stupid do they think people are!

Ok Saif, let's say your assertions arre true. How would you bring Pakistan out of debt. Repay the prinicipals, break the agreements thus incurring the penalities. etc. Speak to me from a governance and finance point of view not from a religious point of view. I don't want to draw the ire of the mullah bankers.

HT has no practical solutions, but amatuerish ideas which have no applicability.

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HT has no practical solutions, but amatuerish ideas which have no applicability.
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As a management consultant with your vast experience I am sure you must have some ideas other than just ridiculing HT.
Infact why don't you and I come up with a plan for Pakistan to reduce their debt burden.

yeah I get paid to share those ideas. why dont you start with some of your finance mumbo jumbo :D I will chime in.

Get NY in here for some econ input, and Roman for some entertainment and we are all set

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yeah I get paid to share those ideas. why dont you start with some of your finance mumbo jumbo :D I will chime in
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Deal.?

I think HT has enough money to pay for your services. :)

Let's wait for HT to propose their ideas and then we can offer the right ones.:D

chaltahi

the basic problem is that some suggest just defaulting on all loans and just not bothering with it anymore. That may be a possible approach if you were a self sustaining country and would not need help in future and/or are not involved in international trade of any sort.

I dont think that is possible. this is what I meant when I had said that they dont have real applicability.

anyways just as you are interested in hearing a comprehensive plan on the debt and economy, I have been asking HT folks for social, educational, fiscal, defense etc plans.

I think by willfullly defaulting on the loans would be a credit suicide. Unless they want to go back and base the economy in the barter system, they best give up the pipe dream

I am sure there are other ways to improve the financial situation in Pakistan. I would love to hear those.

How do I get Arobat Reader ?

you can download the reader for free from adobe website

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you can download the reader for free from adobe website
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Got it :)

shttp://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep.html

should I fly over and download it for you too?

accha bachoo edited your post quickly eh :stuck_out_tongue:

PT: Go to the adobe site. USeless cretan!

Chaltahai

I too would like to see pakistan prosper and get out of this terrible debt burden which is costing pakistan $6 billion + alone in intrest annually. The situation can never improve under the current system of capitalism as this makes pakistan dependent on continuous imf, world bank, paris club loans just to pay of previous loans.

Pakistan has already paid back $12 for every $1 borrowed. Islam forbids paying the interest on foreign or domestic debt so from islamic point of view the loan has been paid several times over. You made point you do not wish to have islamic point of view on this subject this is impracticle since we are muslims and wish to live under islam so therefore an islamic solution is inevitable and it is practicle regradless of the doom merchants predictions on guppshup who when i have challenged to provide an alternative they are silent.

The topic of debt repayments under the islamic state is huge topic and is linked greatly to the economic system of islam so the system in pakistan has to be overhauled and replaced with the islamic system.

With respect to the debt situation, there are a number of points to make. First of all we need to review all liabilities both external and domestic to ascertain the principal borrowed. We need to understand that despite Pakistan paying billions of dollars over the last decade why our debt continues to rise. In terms of external debt if there is a shortfall in the principal we could enter into negotiations using political, economic and military factors and arrive at some kind of solution. With respect to domestic debt this could be accounted for in terms of either a loan whose principal will be repaid or emergency taxes could be levied on the richest 1% to compensate those on moderate-income levels. On both forms of debt it will be made clear that paying of interest is completely prohibited in line with the constitution of the State.

If the Japanese government can argue that giving debt relief to any country is against their country's constitution, then the Islamic State can also argue that the paying of interest is against ours.

Interest saved from the annual budget which is approximately $5 billion or Rs. 325 billion could then be reinvested into productive industrial sectors such as heavy engineering and manufacturing, coal, oil and gas as well as investment in health and education facilities.

As domestic bonds, savings accounts and treasury bills will in essence be abolished, private domestic capital will then flow through to productive enterprises in the real economy. Consequently the current situation where many businesses in the IT, agricultural and SME sectors are credit starved will no longer be the case as capital will no longer be the preserve of the minority but will now circulate freely.

The main reason apart from debt servicing which causes the government to borrow in the first place is the huge corruption by the establishment as well as the poor running of state enterprises. There is huge corruption in Wapda, KESC, Pakistan Steel, PIA and the railways. Better management of entities and removal of corruption will result in a saving of about Rs 100bn a year. By cutting down on the corruption of the elite who control these enterprises, you can then increase the salaries in vital and deserving sectors such as teachers, the police and health professionals. Also those sectors which are vital to the economy such as oil, coal and gas should not be privatised as they are classified by the shar'a as public property.

If we invest the debt servicing and other savings in our natural energy resources so as to extract coal from Sindh and gas reserves in Balochistan, we would avoid the need to import over $3bn of oil, thus reducing our reliance for foreign exchange.

At present there are millions of acres of land in Pakistan, which are owned by a small number of landlords who largely inherited these holdings from the British colonialists. Under the shar'a land will be confiscated if it remains idle for three years and given to someone who is in need of land. Hazrat Umar bin Khattab (ra) said and this was confirmed by the consensus (ijma) of the Sahaba (ra)that ' Whoever neglected a land for three years without using it and another person came and used it, it becomes his'. This measure again encourages the principle of wealth circulation in the economy.

The currency in the economy which is currently the rupee will no longer be allowed to be used in the economy as a fiat currency, rather it will be based on the gold standard. A one-time conversion will be made to ensure that all currency in circulation will be backed by adequate gold and silver reserves. Initially this may cause some hardship as at present the government covers up its economic weakness by printing money, thus creating inflation. However in the long run our currency will be stable and will not depreciate like the Rupee has done over the last fifty years creating immense misery for all concerned in terms of higher prices. It will also ensure that our currency cannot be manipulated by the colonialists in the form of international speculators, as was seen a few years ago in SE Asia.

As a final point those that argue that not paying imf or changing the agreements on intrest repayments will cause disaster the $5bn saving we receive from eliminating debt servicing is significantly more than double the net capital inflow that Pakistan currently receives from various international sources through DFI's and project aid per annum. Net external resources inflow is only 10% of our gross capital formation. Foreign direct investment is minuscule only around about $400m gross on an annual basis and portfolio investment is in effect negative and is focused on trading of existing securities not on new issues, project aid is declining. At present domestic savings finance over 90% of our total investment, we are not a foreign capital dependent economy. In addition Pakistan like most of the Islamic world is rich and self-sufficient in all resources whether they be labour, energy or agricultural. Also detaching ourselves from the international financial system is not the same as de-linking ourselves from trading with non-imperialist nations. The Islamic State will continue to trade and seek to build relations with such nations, the State will also be interested in financially acquiring technical assistance and technological transfer as long as there are no detrimental conditions attached to these dealings.

Saif,

I read your whole long article & I believe I should have listened to Fraudia cos the bottom line of your article was:

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If the Japanese government can argue that giving debt relief to any country is against their country's constitution, then the Islamic State can also argue that the paying of interest is against ours.
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... which is not only a suicide attempt but IMPO unislamic as well.

>>>In terms of external debt if there is a shortfall in the principal we could enter into negotiations using political, economic and **military factors **and arrive at some kind of solution

Just wanted to know what kinda Military solutions are you looking at?

Ajee

You’ve certainly raised a point :k:

I don’t get it

How the hell Pakistan has forex reserves of more than 7 billion(Keep in mind, to have better economy, you do need Forex reserves)? It’s not just because of taking loans.

Regarding loans, IMF and World Bank has given loans to Pakistan in order to re-build Afghanistan. The loan has mostly gone in order to build the Afghanistan.

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The deal recently signed by US and Pak, showed the debt would be reduced. I didn’t get to use the actual source of that. So, it is just my opinion.

If that’s true, I’m sure Pak-Media would definitely come up with A BIG HEADLINE Won’t they?

pak tiger

Debt rescheduling is the biggest con trick done by our governments when they can no longer afford to pay debts they just reschedule a loan which they have'nt paid so if you owe 1 billion you reschedule it to pay it over longer period of time say 25 years, so instead of paying say 3 billion if you paid on time end of 25 years you probably end up paying something like 10 billion for a 1 billion loan.

Why avoid the obvious the debt of pakistan is disaster they need a radical solution now not some rescheduling trick which they do every year!

Why busharaff playing these games that all our previous leader playing and keep taking more and more loans its so stupid!

When Mush is long gone from this world, it will be the people of Pakistan who will feel the full negative effects of his debt rescheduling and increased loan payments.

The more time he spends in power, the more people realize what a lying crook he is.

God save Pakistan from its corrupt rulers.

Dude, the actual debt stands at 36 billion or maybe 35 billion.

What my actualy point was how the hell Pakistan has forex reseves of more than 7 billion? It’s not just because of loans only.

See this:

Repatriation of savings boosts Pakistan rupee

**Pakistan’s liquid foreign reserves which are now approximately U$7.2b including U$5.1b held by the central bank while the rest with commercial banks, are the highest ever seen by the country. The reserves are sufficient to finance more than seven months of imports. **