Musharaf is going good or not does not matter for me and for many others as it matters to accept Israel. From our point of existence back in 1947, we have never accepted or tried to accept Israel. No matter what sort of Government we were having and who was leading that Government.
From last few months, while trying to follow the national news in any sort of media, I came close to discover that there is a message conveyed in some way by some one almost every day that there is nothing wrong in accepting Israel and as the Arabs themselves have started accepting it, why should not we do the same!!!
In my personal opinion, accepting Israel with any reason contradicts to the ideology on which we separated from India (or the sub continent). In our ideology, we are the only country on this planet that came into being just for the sake of Islam. How can we accept a country that has a totally opposing ideology? Israel was never a land and Jews were out of it for centuries. Now just because, Jews have got enough money and power to through Arabs out of the land, they have built their state, the state of Israel. Accepting Israel denies all our reasons that we have ever used for our separations in one way or the other.
If Arabs are accepting Israel one after the other, how does it mean that we must do it too. No country in the Arab World these days was formed on the basis of Islam, even some countries got separated from Turks just to break-up the last Muslim empire.
Arabs and we Pakistanis are all Muslims but we are striving on different ideologies. One ideology has enough room in it to accept Israel and the other has no room at all for such foolishness.
If we have to accept Israel after denying it for about 50 years, then why not Musharaf try to make union with India, as well. Many European countries are doing this too. But again for us this makes our ideologies wrong or void. Indians are very keen to start open trading etc. because they tried to prove to the World for 50 years that Pakistan was always wrong in separation.
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actually The basis of Israel and Pakistan is fairly similar isn't it, both are ideological states. I dont see a real basis on why we should not accept Israel if it is in the interest of the country to do so.
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true fraudia bhai… we havent accepted israel for our arab countries and what have they given us…many other arab/muslim countries have either started or are thinking abt maintaining diplomatic relations with israel…these arab countries never give a damn abt pakistan…at the end it makes pakistan look bad…pakistan is not accepting isreal due to palestine (ppl pls don’t give the bs on what happened in jordan again) whereas palestine has historically favored India…its about time we started looking at national interests too…countries like egypt have accepted isreal and no one tells them anything
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Its a matter of principle. Until the creation of Palestinian state, we shouldnt accept Israel. If we had any kind of Influence over them, it would be a different story, then we could assume that rerlations might help the Palestinian situation, but since we have no influence outside of our own region, accpeting Israel is pointless and unethical.
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Well there is no need to talk about the Arabs. I have not said that we must not accept Israel cause of Arabs.
We are not accepting Israel, just cause we are formed just for Islam and in the name of Islam. We believe, for reasons, that Jews are our worst enemies. (Arabs, these days shy to show up this belief, so they are accepting Israel in a long run)
So either we are wrong in saying that we seperated from India, if we accept Israel, just on relegious basis (i.e. we were not seperated cause of Islam.) so there is no reason left for our existence. If we were not seperated for the sake of Islam, as we will deny by accepting Israel, then Why were we seperated???
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Egypt accepted “israel”. Egypt is hardly a democracy. It has been a military dictatorship for 30 years.
Jordan accepted Israel. Jordan is a weak show kingdom. It has never had democracy.
90% of the people in these countries are against israel and their own leaders.
Pakistan MUST respect the DEMOCRATIC will of Pakistani people. Lets have a referendum and respect the will of the majority. IF there was a referendum on accepting israel, 90% of Pakistanis will vote against it.
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Pakistan has been dealing with squatter state of israel for a long time behind the scenes, i don't see anything new about this disgusting news except maybe they will admit it finally in public yes we have been dealing with the squatters for a long time.
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Well
The government officials may have met at times and so do some creeps found among both nations. But all meetings must always be held on a neutral land since Israel has no presence on this globe for us. No Israeli can dare to come in the Holy area of Pakistan and no Pakistani (a person living in pakistan, having Pakistan ID card or passport, and earning his living by some good way (this excludes most politicians, government officials and industrialists)) will never perform an act as bad as this one to go to Israel or met with some Israeli (…Jew…since we don’t accept Israel).
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Only a MAToo ideology (read idiot-olgy) gets threatened by Israel. A tiny country with 5 million people has consistently made Mullahs pee in their lotas. 48, 67, 73 and you name it.
Pakistan’s ideology is based on justice, and it ain’t gonna be threatened by a tiny speck of a country.
What these beardo wierdos know how to behave humanely? Bunch of MAToos are hell bent on killing Pakistani-Shias, bombing Pakistani-Ahmadis, and harassing Pakistani Christians.
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That is true the squatter state is hated by muslims as a whole you will have few individuals who see a few dollars and throw away there honour in these situations but as a whole it is disliked intensly. If you mention the word israel you will see the reaction from the people.
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Where are you from, Sir???
It has nothing to do with Mullahs.
It is not a motto; it is the reason for our separation. We separated from India just to form a country where Muslims can live.
There is no harassment in our country for Christians. They can live as easily as they can. As for religious mishaps, they do occur sometime, because we have some people (Mullahs) who use religion for politics and they will not care if they have to kill some people to get their benefit.
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Excellent ..yes indeed…
We cannot accept a state that represent an enemy to Allah and His messenger and to His religion Islam… http://www.islamicity.com/MOSQUE/ARABICSCRIPT/AYAT/5/5_51.gif
5:51 O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.
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As I said in a different thread, hypocrite MAToos will continue quoting Quran out of context. That’s precisely why Allah Mian is burning these beardos with daisy cutters.
Check out the link and read ayah 5:48, instead of paroting Ben-La-Deen and his sidekick Mullah Umar Sharif.
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We are denying Israel based on our ideology, not for some reasons that are not necessary these days.
A reason may be right or wrong, but ideology is a set of beliefs that form the basis of a political, economic, or other system. Every nation has some ideology behind it. Denying this ideology means to change the nation as a whole.
Now can you tell me why even after hundreds of years, Jews have occupied the land to form Israel??? It is a part of their ideology....
As Israel is free to follow their ideology, we are as free to follow ours.
Why do you care about waziristan all of a sudden?