Munaf KALIA arressted on money laundring allegation

So you have to exactly something for us to say that? :cb:

I didn’t even question your THAT info, let aside the sources and what not :slight_smile:

See, when news came about Musharraf being called at 2:00AM you were SOOOO logical, trying to come-up with scenarios, questioning the source, calling everything as propaganda and what not but as soon as anti-Nawaz news came out you didn’t even question was this writer present when some Pakistani businessman or Saudi bought his stell mill and Nawaz converted that into Dollars and flew it out. :slight_smile:

No doubt that it is not up to me to say that … I just asked, because I do not think that I ever made a news of something that is illogical (at least illogical to me) :slight_smile:

There are numerous anti-Nawaz news that I ignore just because they could be propaganda, are illogical, are irrelevant, sometime exaggerated and occasionally came into existence because of naivety of Nawaz. I was even thinking to ignore the news that allegation was made in court on NS moving money abroad, but I mentioned it due to raid on K&K … else I was not even intending to put such news on forum. Reason is not that I think NS is not involved in moving money abroad, but because there are many politicians who have done that since Feb 2008 (rather, some started transferring money abroad since Shaukat Aziz resigned on Oct 2007), and thus NS is only one of many politicians (and bureaucrats, businessmen, investors) who moved their money abroad recently. Most expected that with corrupt politicians in complete power, things for Pakistan would deteriorate fast, including corrupt politicians themselves.

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You mean the person to whom if anyone says that Chicken gives Anda, he would jump and would say that the Chicken must be MQM Chicken as in Lahore Chicken gives bachcha, not anda. Then if you tell him that Chicken gives Anda everywhere, he would say that he does not believe supporters of Altaf Bhai.:slight_smile:

Let me cut this short:

Please provide a valid news ref. saying that NS has transfered money from his Pakistani Account to any other account abroad.

The news you posted says about a business transaction, a business man had a revenue generating asset (Legal) in a foreign country, he sold his asset in a foriegn country and ofcourse it would be sold in foreign currency to a unknown buyer ( which is again not a crime, as many business men are unknown ), Now it is hard fact that unless a business man is thinking of getting retired or there is clear exit policy, he do not sell out his revenue generating assets. NS may have sold it and invested some where else. Which as per law is not a crime but a general business logic.

Now please please please, if you can post a news ref. saying NS has transferred money from Pakistan to any account abroad then paste it, otherwise it is evident that you have a some thing against him and as usual accusing him on no basis.

By the way do you have any figures of how much Foreign Exchange is sent to London??? ( ofcourse to Altaf Hussain, and the money is of the poor people of Karachi.. some call it “Chanda” other describe it as bhatta)

Any news item having no authenticate ref. and is spread without confirming it is known as rumours and you have mastered in twisting facts and turning them in your way.. thats why more often you "Hear" but you say that you "Heard yourself saying"...

In my view, people like K&K are the killers of thousands of people who commit suicide due to poverty. They are responsible for dark future of our youth and our children.
I hope the government does not buckle under pressure from these criminals. See how they are offering to lower the rupee-dollar parity up to 72. This means they have total control over exchange rate. This also means that they intentionally brought rupee down so as to make profit, without regard to its effect on Pakistani exports and imports.

May God’s laanat be on such people and those who support them.

City News

Khanani, Kalia offer to down dollar to Rs 72

Online

LAHORE: Javed Khanani and Munaf Kalia, arrested in money transfer scam, have said they can bring down the value of dollar to the Rs 72 if they are released while the investigating officers have claimed they can bring back $1.25 billion within a week and $15 to 16 billion on completion of investigation if they are allowed to carry out probe freely.

FIA Lahore sources told the Online Wednesday that the detained accused Khanani and Kalia had extended offer to scale down the value of dollar to Rs 72 if they were set free by the government. Investigating officers told only one out of 18 computers had been decoded which were taken into possession. This process revealed foreign currency over Rs 39 billion was taken out to foreign countries within a year illegally. The remaining computers were being decoded.

Comment on Khanani and Kalia arrests in Pakistan: Only the top 2,000 businessmen and politicians or the “ruling class” in Pakistan would transfer big money being claimed in the media. They will not be prosecuted, convicted and sentenced. Money market analysts suspect KKI's political-business rivals are playing a game for the benefit of Mr 10% plus and his mafia gang, including interior advisor Rehman Malik (Mr oil for food UN-US scandal fame) who lectures 160m people and the global audience on “financial terrorism” which he links to “Afghan drug trade”! Does he know that trade is bred, fed, nurtured and protected by covert US agencies? Moreover, according to Rehman Malik, outgoing FDI is now classified as “financial terrorism”!

So, what led to seemingly kneejerk reactions? Well, due to oil price hikes in 2008 and other political corruptions, Pakistan reserves are down from over $16 billion to $4 billion. Lack of confidence in the corrupt Zardari-Sharif mafia style political-business alliance also reduced Karachi Stock Exchange (KSE) index by 41 per cent. Over a period of some 8 years, Shaukat Aziz created bubble economy boom, but so far in 2008 alone, the country has turned into a businessmen nightmare hell. That is nothing less than a remarkable miracle for the alliance that even Nawaz Sharif dare not topple in a country where inflation is now running at 25%. World Bank-IFC and IMF also imposed rules before lending Pakistan $15 billion.

The reserves and the KSE index fell, and the rupee collapsed due to massive reductions in FDI, the remittances and the inflation. That also proves lack of confidence in the mafia. Those factors, therefore, have nothing to do with havala and hondi (HH) money transfer system, offering a variety of services including currency exchange, inward and out ward remittances, demand draft and travellers’ cheques. HH has been tried and tested over many centuries all over the world. It remains the most popular money transfer method from one city to millions of bankless villages in South Asia. The HH system has proven to be more reliable, trustworthy, faster and much cheaper than “free market” glocal banking cartels who received $1 trillion in bailouts and handouts in return for complete submission to the big brother governments and their governors in more than 150 countries worldwide.

Kalia and Khanani arrests are politically motivated. Their arrests would dry up remaining foreign direct investment (FDI) to Pakistan, and reduce up to $7 billions annual remittances coming to Pakistan, some 40% through Khanani and Kalia International (KKI). Since 1992, over 24 licensed HH exchange companies, including KKI operate in Pakistan to ISO 9001 standards that is something most government agencies and commercial outfits cannot live up to.

Who would dare and waste money on litigation costs in challenging shutting down licensed HH companies in the Pakistan kangaroo PCO courts? The HH companies contribute over $7 billion annually to Pakistan’s foreign reserve, much more than the glocal banking cartels.

The State Bank of Pakistan (SBP) regulations allow movement of currency in and out of Pakistan. So anyone who is to transfer even $50 million could not legally be prevented to do so. According to senators Ahmad Ali, Kamran Murtaza, Dr Khalid Ranjha and Babar Ghauri, there are no laws that barred the transfer of foreign currency out of Pakistan. In that context, the arrests of Khanani and Kalia, are politically motivated in order to divert public attention from the mafia’s schemes and failures, and with FIA threatening hostage taking, demanding ransom, aiding NRO Zardari gang extortion, updating exit control lists in a country where justice is dependent on kangaroo PCO judiciary and courts.

Former prime minister Shaukat Aziz can also learn a few more tricks from Zadari’s organised criminal gang that is busy monopolising cash flow to rape and loot Pakistan; hasten its meltdown, crippling its economy and any chance of recovery. Zardari wants to get his own cut from future giveaway “privatisation,” ensuring his ill-gotten loot is not challenged legally. Pakistan needs FDI in, but no FDI going out! Pakistan need to increase export, but wants to ban imports, including raw materials, energy, commodities, wheat, cotton, fertilizers, etc costing $6.85 billion more than previous fiscal year.

[FONT=&quot]Why would investors not invest in Lehman Brother, and Bear Stearns? Why would any prudent investor invest in Pakistan? Why would investors want get his/her own money out of Pakistan, particularly when fundamentals are so wrong? Most investors know why NRO president Zardari and his puppet government would not restore all senior judges, including Iftikhar M Choudhary. What is Zardari afraid off? What has Zardari got to hide?

Brother, I am not twisting the news or turning it in to the way I would like it to be. You are certainly mistaken. You wrote:

I did, but you are not reading it but assuming what is written and making conclusion from what you are assuming. Just think what you wrote and compare it with the news:

Here is paragraph from GEO news (read and think):
He argued Mian Nawaz Sharif sold out his steel mill in Saudi Arabia at the cost of billion of **rupees** and he transferred this amount to his offshore accounts. If he transfers all his assets to Pakistan then we will not need to extend hands before others, he added. Therefore Mian Nawaz Sharif be asked under what law he had transferred this money to foreign accounts, he submitted.

Above paragraph clearly uses the word 'Rupees

Above paragraph, with reference to NS selling his steel mill in Saudi Arabia, clearly uses word 'billion of rupees' and 'transferred this amount to his offshore accounts'.

Now, even though the news clearly says that Nawaz received the proceed of selling steel mill in Saudi Arabia in rupee ... how can you write that he did not?

[That is another matter that even Steel Mill of NS in Saudi Arabia was built from stolen money of Pakistani poor ... well, even Ganja growing hair on his bald head was from money he stole from Pakistan]

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By the way do you have any figures of how much Foreign Exchange is sent to London??? ( ofcourse to Altaf Hussain, and the money is of the poor people of Karachi.. some call it "Chanda" other describe it as bhatta)
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How can you say that Altaf bhai is getting money from Pakistan? Just like Ishrat-ul-Ibad who at one time was federal minister before taking asylum in UK was living in London on dole money, it is possible that Altaf Bhai is also living on dole money, maybe working somewhere as employee, may have started a small business, or maybe taking a stipend from MQM reasonable enough to live a modest life. Have you got any proof that he is living in luxury?

I have never heard that Altaf bhai have millions of pound worth of Park Lane flats as Ganja Liar thug Nawaz Shareef have, bought with stolen money ... ... or ... ... Altaf Hussain have palace in surrey like Daku Zardari, bought with stolen money. I also never heard that Altaf is moving all over the world on chartered planes throwing money and entertaining guests in five star most expensive hotels or have bank accounts in various countries, like Thug Nawaz and Daku Zardari have.

How come you know what no one knows, that Altaf is living a life in luxury? I know that it is not your fault as your values are people like Nawaz and Zardari whose religion is only to lie, loot and plunder, and since you have only believe on such leaders who lie, loot, and plunder, you could not think of someone different then these two thugs.

Anyhow, instead of ranting, abusing or getting upset with me, if you or anyone have reliable reference about Altaf Hussain buying expensive properties in western capitals and bank accounts with billions of stolen dollars, please bring those references, else accept that your propaganda is full of lies, that you do to fulfil your inner desire that if leaders you support are corrupts and thugs than others must be same.

Re: Munaf KALIA arressted on money laundring allegation

^^ I tried to cut it short... my question was clear.. but ...

The news item you posted had flaws in it, those flaws were raised but i guess, u cannot hear/read them...

Carry on with your propoganda... One thing is clear to me now, i do not have to read ur posts any more.. as i know from where they are coming and where they are going...

Keep posting the propoganda... ( Lie, Lie and lie untill you believe it is the TRUTH)