Mumtaz Qadri protest turns violent in Islamabad Red Zone

[Ali_Syed]

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@muqawwee123

Sunni Tehreek was involved in violence since long. I have read some slogan like 'Suniyon ka jangi jahaz, Sarwat Aijaz, Sarwat Aijaz ’ 15 years back.

maybe in Karachi, but here in Punjab their image has been relatively better. JUP etc were not violent, but these days this group is also showing signs of violence.

[Sachaydino]

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@muqawwee123

Let me try to explain this phenomenon.

When Qadri was hanged all of a sudden, Mullas were in shock that how come a man they glamorised as Aashiq e Rasool, who could not be hanged even after verdict of courts due to support from even lawyers and judges, was suddenly hanged without even before they knew it. That shock alongwith fear that any riot in jenaza will lead to severe consequences stopped them from big riots. Though there were incidents of stone pelting even in Karachi on that day.

However, the way they promoted Qadri as Rehmatullah and promoted his big funeral as some miraculous signs coupled with photoshopped noorani face of the killer Qadri provided the jahil followers some courage. JI’s million March to render khiraj e aqeedat to Qadri was another mileage to strengthen the view that they are doing right and have all the right to take law in order in their hands. Just go through Ummat’s issues after 29th Feb and look at the reporting style about this issue. In a month’s time, these kuttas became sher to attack parliament house and all religious parties including JI and right wing media (Ummat) has a role what happened today first at Karachi Press Club and then in Islamabad.

All the problem lies in mishandling groups like JI who have time and again openly challenged writ of government and brain washed innocent masses to meet their shameless agenda.

Can leaders of JI’s be hanged like in Bangladesh? Party should be banned immediately.

[novice75]

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And ganja will do none of these. Infact Ganja is in bed with half of these bigots - rest are his voters. He wont even take on lal masjid goons.

Sadly, our elders and their policies of encouraging mullah culture have messed up Pakistan beyond repair. We wont shut down a single mosque ever. This hatred is being fed everyday to our youth in these mosques. I see a future like that of Syria in Pakistan.

Get your families out.

@PyariCgudia

Issue is that groups like JI are deeply rooted in society. If you start rounding up people and hanging them, and improsing them, situation will quickly turn into the rebel-vs-Assad situation in Syria, and there are lots of hungry countries ready to throw money at and fund the Pakistani version of “rebels” - i.e. groups like JI etc who will feel disenfranchised when their leadership starts being put in jail.

Syrian population that is running away has said one thing in multiple interviews, and they are right. You can get rid of one group and it doesn’t matter. Other groups will rise. We tried to get rid of Taliban , we got TTP. We get rid of JI, it will be some other group then later. Getting rid of Al Qaeda, and then we got ISIS.

The issue isn’t the group itself and it’s leadership, it’s the underlying thought process of extremism. It’s the idea that people actually think misogyny, women’s strict dress codes and social laws about women (i.e. are they allowed to work, drive, etc), how you treat someone who chooses to not believe in Islam, apostasy ideas, treatment towards non-muslims, treatment towards shrines, treatment towards churges/temples/synagogues, treatment towards other sects of Islam, shia vs. sunni ideas, rules regarding jihad, predictions of a khalifat, etc are all actual Islamic beliefs.

None of the above is Islamic, but people won’t accept that, and that’s a very deep rooted problem amongst all muslims, and that’s what people mean that we need “Islamic reform”. These topics need to be addressed by scholars, and clarifications need to be made, and then furthermore, the education needs to be widely implemented. Clarifications are being made, but right now, education is in the hands of wahabbi funded curriculum, rather than these clerics that no one seems to be listening to.

The following ideas need to get built into curriculum in Pakistan - in madrassah system, and in the private and government sectors also. And not just in Pakistan, but in every muslim majority country, and in every muslim immigrant community outside. And that’s NOT going to happen any time soon, because there are too many salafi/wahabbi forces that won’t let it happen. We have to disown wahabbism, and you’ll see, the radicalization will end.

1. niqab - make it haraam. Women must be made to show their face. (ref: hadith where Rasulullah explictly states the face stays open).

2. hijab - make it optional. Don’t celebrate this as something that makes a woman automatically heaven-bound, as we celebrate it today. It was not used as such back then. There is also no evidence a woman was ever punished for showing her hair, and there are hadith’s that show women did come in front of Rasullullah SAW w/o covering their hair. “Khimar” in the Quran should be translated as “cloth” rather than “headcovering”. Use the literal translation, don’t impose an implicit translation on this word. Muslim scholars will mostly reject this idea.

3. Acknowledge that beards and hijabs have become a cult-indocrtination code. Nothing different than a gang tattoo used to identify you as different from others and as part of a sorority/fraternity group. There is NO such dress code in Islam. This is all based on one hadith where Rasulullah SAW suggested muslim men in war grow beards to distinguish themselves from the enemy. We are not in war anymore and shouldn’t be.

4. Educate on the very distinct rules for Jihad which the Quran already dictates. Shove it down everyone’s throat so they understand they’re not supposed to pick up arms on their own. Give the power to wage war ONLY to nation-states and leader heads. Make it a crime to pick up arms on your own, and treat it as TREASON, and hang these people right away.

5. Make it a crime to hurt a Shia. Hang the people that do it. Educate sunnis and shias both about each other’s interpretations, and make it socially acceptable to pray next to each other moving your hands in different ways during prayer. Even a verbal slur or a verbal criticism of Shias should be blocked and punishable. Should have punishments like what would happen if you made anti-semitic statements in the US.

6. Make holidays for minorities public holidays, and have muslims openly participate with these non-muslims during their holidays. Muslims can celebrate Holi with Hindus in India, why can’t we?? We should have been standing guard at that park in Lahore protecting Christians while they celebrate their Easter publicly.

7. There needs to be a door to door check of people suspected for extremism, take their laptops, cell phones, etc and if you see suspicious activity and activity/books preaching hate, take it from them and put them in a detention center where they are deradicalized. I think yeah, it’s getting to this point that if we don’t start nipping these people in the bud, that they will cause more and more problems.

[Med911]

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One of those horrible horrible days in Pakistan… Honestly, its days like this im glad im not the one in charge over there, becuz if it were up to me, i might decide to test out one of those brand spanking new attack helicopters from Russia!

[Med911]

Re: Mumtaz Qadri protest turns violent in Islamabad Red Zone

@PyariCgudia

Issue is that groups like JI are deeply rooted in society. If you start rounding up people and hanging them, and improsing them, situation will quickly turn into the rebel-vs-Assad situation in Syria, and there are lots of hungry countries ready to throw money at and fund the Pakistani version of “rebels” - i.e. groups like JI etc who will feel disenfranchised when their leadership starts being put in jail.

Syrian population that is running away has said one thing in multiple interviews, and they are right. You can get rid of one group and it doesn’t matter. Other groups will rise. We tried to get rid of Taliban , we got TTP. We get rid of JI, it will be some other group then later. Getting rid of Al Qaeda, and then we got ISIS.

The issue isn’t the group itself and it’s leadership, it’s the underlying thought process of extremism. It’s the idea that people actually think misogyny, women’s strict dress codes and social laws about women (i.e. are they allowed to work, drive, etc), how you treat someone who chooses to not believe in Islam, apostasy ideas, treatment towards non-muslims, treatment towards shrines, treatment towards churges/temples/synagogues, treatment towards other sects of Islam, shia vs. sunni ideas, rules regarding jihad, predictions of a khalifat, etc are all actual Islamic beliefs.

None of the above is Islamic, but people won’t accept that, and that’s a very deep rooted problem amongst all muslims, and that’s what people mean that we need “Islamic reform”. These topics need to be addressed by scholars, and clarifications need to be made, and then furthermore, the education needs to be widely implemented. Clarifications are being made, but right now, education is in the hands of wahabbi funded curriculum, rather than these clerics that no one seems to be listening to.

The following ideas need to get built into curriculum in Pakistan - in madrassah system, and in the private and government sectors also. And not just in Pakistan, but in every muslim majority country, and in every muslim immigrant community outside. And that’s NOT going to happen any time soon, because there are too many salafi/wahabbi forces that won’t let it happen. We have to disown wahabbism, and you’ll see, the radicalization will end.

1. niqab - make it haraam. Women must be made to show their face. (ref: hadith where Rasulullah explictly states the face stays open).

2. hijab - make it optional. Don’t celebrate this as something that makes a woman automatically heaven-bound, as we celebrate it today. It was not used as such back then. There is also no evidence a woman was ever punished for showing her hair, and there are hadith’s that show women did come in front of Rasullullah SAW w/o covering their hair. “Khimar” in the Quran should be translated as “cloth” rather than “headcovering”. Use the literal translation, don’t impose an implicit translation on this word. Muslim scholars will mostly reject this idea.

3. Acknowledge that beards and hijabs have become a cult-indocrtination code. Nothing different than a gang tattoo used to identify you as different from others and as part of a sorority/fraternity group. There is NO such dress code in Islam. This is all based on one hadith where Rasulullah SAW suggested muslim men in war grow beards to distinguish themselves from the enemy. We are not in war anymore and shouldn’t be.

4. Educate on the very distinct rules for Jihad which the Quran already dictates. Shove it down everyone’s throat so they understand they’re not supposed to pick up arms on their own. Give the power to wage war ONLY to nation-states and leader heads. Make it a crime to pick up arms on your own, and treat it as TREASON, and hang these people right away.

5. Make it a crime to hurt a Shia. Hang the people that do it. Educate sunnis and shias both about each other’s interpretations, and make it socially acceptable to pray next to each other moving your hands in different ways during prayer. Even a verbal slur or a verbal criticism of Shias should be blocked and punishable. Should have punishments like what would happen if you made anti-semitic statements in the US.

6. Make holidays for minorities public holidays, and have muslims openly participate with these non-muslims during their holidays. Muslims can celebrate Holi with Hindus in India, why can’t we?? We should have been standing guard at that park in Lahore protecting Christians while they celebrate their Easter publicly.

7. There needs to be a door to door check of people suspected for extremism, take their laptops, cell phones, etc and if you see suspicious activity and activity/books preaching hate, take it from them and put them in a detention center where they are deradicalized. I think yeah, it’s getting to this point that if we don’t start nipping these people in the bud, that they will cause more and more problems.

Sadly, im actually not surprised to see that you have completely ignored the rights of Ahmadis in Pakistan in your things-to-do list. While we ensure that all minorites and sects are able to live happily together, lets continue to deny Ahmadis even the most basic of religious freedoms…

One of the demands of these bearded idiots before the Parliament is to expel all Ahmadis from high post… Assuming there are any left in such posts.

The real test of Pakistani tolerance would be in how they treat Ahmadis.

[Shamraz_Khan]

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What Pakistan need right now is El Sisi to crush these political mullahs. Send in the tanks and clean up the mess so the next time when someone tries to challenge state writ they will think twice.

[Anwer_Pasha]

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Something is being cooked
Liaquat Bagh to D-Chowk — a trail of destructionProtesters demand release of Sunni prisoners, want Mumtaz Qadri declared martyr.
پارلیمنٹ کے باہر ممتاز قادری کے حامیوں کا دھرنا](پارلیمنٹ کے باہر ممتاز قادری کے حامیوں کا دھرنا - Pakistan - Dawn News Urdu)اسلام آباد کے ریڈ زون ایریا میں دھرنا دینے والے مظاہرین کے مطالبات میں ملک میں شریعت کا نفاذ بھی شامل ہے۔ اپ ڈیٹ 12

[Med911]

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@Shamraz_Khan

What Pakistan need right now is El Sisi to crush these political mullahs. Send in the tanks and clean up the mess so the next time when someone tries to challenge state writ they will think twice.

Delicate matters require a scalpel not a sledge hammer.

[hanibal]

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@Anwer_Pasha

Something is being cooked
Liaquat Bagh to D-Chowk — a trail of destructionProtesters demand release of Sunni prisoners, want Mumtaz Qadri declared martyr.
پارلیمنٹ کے باہر ممتاز قادری کے حامیوں کا دھرنا](پارلیمنٹ کے باہر ممتاز قادری کے حامیوں کا دھرنا - Pakistan - Dawn News Urdu)اسلام آباد کے ریڈ زون ایریا میں دھرنا دینے والے مظاہرین کے مطالبات میں ملک میں شریعت کا نفاذ بھی شامل ہے۔ اپ ڈیٹ 12

Same Nizam-e-Mustafa they asked in 77

[Shamraz_Khan]

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@Med911

Delicate matters require a scalpel not a sledge hammer.

You cannot let 2000 political mullahs to take hostage nation of 200 millions. When you give inch to them they will ask for mile (as they have been). These are illegitimate children of late manhuuse Zia ul Haq. This cancer will not go away unless drastic treatment is applied.

[Med911]

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@Shamraz_Khan

You cannot let 2000 political mullahs to take hostage nation of 200 millions. When you give inch to them they will ask for mile (as they have been). These are illegitimate children of late manhuuse Zia ul Haq. This cancer will not go away unless drastic treatment is applied.

Agreed 100 percent, but there is an entire brigade of fanatics ready to go on a rampage… They have to be careful not to incite the mob. Perhaps get these fools to leave peaceably if possible, then take the next step. They need to go after the organizers. They know who these guys are giving speeches and getting these people riled up.

[muqawwee123]

Re: Over 60 dead after explosion in Lahore park

If this is true (though intentions are not unheard), then Pakistan ka Allah hi hafiz hai:

[Med911]

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@muqawwee123

If this is true (though intentions are not unheard), then Pakistan ka Allah hi hafiz hai:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CenxBY6WAAEYU2k.jpg:large

Stupid idiots… Cant even spell “media” correctly and their dictating to the whole country. Fear for the poor Ahmadis who are undoubtedly concerned that the Govt will actually listen to these A-holes and their demands. As if they arent persecuted enough already.

[Moonstar201]

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Allah rehm furmain… If you ask the ppl present some basic islamic questions . They will not be able to reply . Most of them will be fans of Sunny leone…

[Sachaydino]

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@hanibal

Same Nizam-e-Mustafa they asked in 77

Same was supported by PML(N) top leadership to oust legally elected PM of Pakistan. When you support snakes to harm others, these snakes will come ultimately to bite the arses of those who nurtured them.

[Sa1eem]

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Demand number 5 is nice one:

5: Immediate execution of 295-C accused.

The crowd and their Fitna-creating leaders are doing blasphemy as they are not going against Quran and Sunnah of Prophet (SAW), but portraying Islam as blood thirsty religion of terrorists, giving bad name to Islam, Allah and prophet (SAW).

So, let accuse the crowd of 295-C than mass execute them.

[Since, accusation do not need proof (right or wrong does not matter), what they are demanding should be implemented on them straight away, as there is no need for trial according to their demand.

So … they should get executed immediately, implementing their own demand on them. … Remember, I have already accused them of blasphemy, as they are giving bad name to Allah, Prophet (SAW), Quran, Sunnah and Islam.]

[hanibal]

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@muqawwee123

If this is true (though intentions are not unheard), then Pakistan ka Allah hi hafiz hai:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CenxBY6WAAEYU2k.jpg:large

If these are the demands, then soon Sunni Tehreek will loose whatever little supporr they have left in Karachi…and this will also dent JI and JUI either way…if they support them, they loose good support…if they don’t they loose their leftover vote bank..

Open cases of extortion and land grabbing against Sarwat Qadri and his 2nd tier leadership.

[KKF]

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so, hari pagRiiwalas have come out in force to prove they are as bad as Talibans.

[Mostar95]

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[RIGHT]عوام کی اکثریت جاہل مُلاوں کے زیراثر اس لیے ہے کہ پچھلے اڑسٹھ سالوں میں انہیں یا تو تعلیم سے محروم رکھا گیا یا پھر تعلیم کے نام پر جہالت، نفرت اور تعصب ان کے ذہنوں میں ٹھونسے جاتے رہے۔ ظلم کی انتہا ہے پارلیامنٹ کا گھیراو کرنے والے چند سوبریلوی مزہبی جنونی حکومت سے لوگوں کو توہین رسالت کے نام پر قتل کرنے کا قانونی اجازت نامہ طلب کررہے ہیں۔ دیوبندی طالبان کو تو معصوم بچوں اور عورتوں کے بم دھماکوں میں پرخچے اڑانے کے لیے ایسی کوئی قانونی اجازت بھی درکار نہیں۔ بنگلہ دیش کا ماڈل اپنا لیا جاے تو قومی سیاسی اور عسکری قیادت حوصلہ اور عزم کرکے عوام کی اکثریت کو مُلاوں کے چُنگل سے آزاد کرواسکتی ہے۔ میں تو کہتا ہوں بسم اللہ کیجیے پارلیامنٹ کا گھیراو کرنے والے وحشی درندوں کا چھترپاولے سے آغاز کریں سراج الحق اور مولانا عبدالعزیز کا القاعدہ اور داعش سے تعلقات کے الزام میں فوجی کورٹ میں ٹرایل کریں اور دونوں کو پھانسی پر لٹکایے۔ مدرسوں کا انتطام حکومت فوری طور پر اپنے ہاتھوں میں لے۔ حالات سدھرنا شروع ہوجائیں گے۔

My friend on FB![/RIGHT]

[novice75]

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@Mostar95

[RIGHT]عوام کی اکثریت جاہل مُلاوں کے زیراثر اس لیے ہے کہ پچھلے اڑسٹھ سالوں میں انہیں یا تو تعلیم سے محروم رکھا گیا یا پھر تعلیم کے نام پر جہالت، نفرت اور تعصب ان کے ذہنوں میں ٹھونسے جاتے رہے۔ ظلم کی انتہا ہے پارلیامنٹ کا گھیراو کرنے والے چند سوبریلوی مزہبی جنونی حکومت سے لوگوں کو توہین رسالت کے نام پر قتل کرنے کا قانونی اجازت نامہ طلب کررہے ہیں۔ دیوبندی طالبان کو تو معصوم بچوں اور عورتوں کے بم دھماکوں میں پرخچے اڑانے کے لیے ایسی کوئی قانونی اجازت بھی درکار نہیں۔ بنگلہ دیش کا ماڈل اپنا لیا جاے تو قومی سیاسی اور عسکری قیادت حوصلہ اور عزم کرکے عوام کی اکثریت کو مُلاوں کے چُنگل سے آزاد کرواسکتی ہے۔ میں تو کہتا ہوں بسم اللہ کیجیے پارلیامنٹ کا گھیراو کرنے والے وحشی درندوں کا چھترپاولے سے آغاز کریں سراج الحق اور مولانا عبدالعزیز کا القاعدہ اور داعش سے تعلقات کے الزام میں فوجی کورٹ میں ٹرایل کریں اور دونوں کو پھانسی پر لٹکایے۔ مدرسوں کا انتطام حکومت فوری طور پر اپنے ہاتھوں میں لے۔ حالات سدھرنا شروع ہوجائیں گے۔

My friend on FB![/RIGHT]

Why not start by electing banday kay puttar? Jahil awaam keep electing beghairat haraaam khors like zardari, mqm, pml-n.

None of them are interested in fixing this mess. Ganja is busy building motorway so these haraami molvies can get to parliament faster for protests?

Any blind dim wit knows what needs to be done. Fixing education these people are not capable of. Shutting down known terrorists and political supporters will be a start.