Mullah Bashing a quality of good muslim?

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Mullahs come and question our Islam, and then we go and bash them and question their Islam. They dont think that we are good Muslim, we dont think that they are good Muslim. So the difference them and us is .....?

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^ assuming the Mulla is of the type that I believe should be bashed: they are encouraging kids to blow themselves up, often amidst civilians, and we arent. big difference.

if their beliefs and words werent aimed to cause deaths at a hideous level I would see no reason to bash them, nor would they be that different from the other side.

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^^ So we are calling terrorists, mullah .. right?

I guess the problem is with our choice of name that we pick for terrorists and get confused between them and mullahs.

Mullahs talk about Jihad (as Jihad being discuss in Quran, 1/6th of Quran talks about it so when a mullah is teaching tafseer, he will cover that section also). Because of western world propaganda, we Muslim confuse Jihad with terrorism, so much so that urdu term for terrorist is no longer Dehshat Gurd .. its Jehadi ..

Our own thinking is so screwed up and influenced by western media that we love to call, what is other wise the 6th pillar of Islam, terrorism.

I am not supporting terrorism. I just want to clarify that present world terrorism has nothing to with Jihad, and at least we Muslims should know better.

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TLK, I am sure that you will agree that some Mullas justify terrorism as Jihad. Does that equate the two? No. Does that mean that the language of "Jihadi" is misleading. Yes. However note the words in the initial thread post:

The argument is that even 'terrorist sympathisers' should not be bashed, since they are Muslims. the 'sympathiser' label is also pretty misleading, the Mullas in question can be terrorist leaders, planners and executers. We cannot offer them a blanket amnesty from criticism.

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I cannot agree with you more on that. Point is, are those Mullah, real Mullah (scholars) or they think that they are Mullah and because they think that they are, so do we .. hence lose the differentiation between self claimed Mullahs and real one.

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The argument is that even 'terrorist sympathisers' should not be bashed, since they are Muslims.
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That is not what Teqgy is saying, he is saying ..

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The "Mullahs" that we often term fundamentalists, or extremists, or even terrorist sympathizers are still muslims and represent muslims (whether we like it or not)

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You are reading too much into what he is saying., He is just saying that people can support wrong cause or thought process but they are still Muslims, not kaafirs, unless they do what Islam specifically calls Kufr.

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You are right.. unfortunately part of the problem is that far too many people appropriate religious authority by the label of Mulla or Molana.

But then, there is no formal clergy (atleast in sunni Islam) so one cant really control that.

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That is not what Teqgy is saying, he is saying ..

You are reading too much into what he is saying., He is just saying that people can support wrong cause or thought process but they are still Muslims, not kaafirs, unless they do what Islam specifically calls Kufr.
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Very few people call the Mullas/terrorist supporters Kafir. the thread itself is about bashing religious people. the subtext is that the criticism aimed at such people is wrong on the basis that atleast they're Muslims, atleast they're doing their 5 arkaan.

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thats an important point and one of the reaons why religious authority cannot be centrally regulated in sunni islam ....and why so much flak has been given to any kind of religious reformers ( like qutub, khomenini etc) by state controlled mullahs the so-called religious establishment.Yet they cannot be ex-communicated as no one really OWNS islam

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Point is, are those Mullah, real Mullah (scholars) or they think that they are Mullah and because they think that they are, so do we .. hence lose the differentiation between self claimed Mullahs and real one.
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I actually have no sympathy for these state-controlled Mullahs who are endorsed by the state to only highlite those religious issues which DO NOT threaten the position of the rulers.These Mullahs will call any sort of religious reformers as ikhwani or khariji or any bad word to malign their reputation.Their sweet politicially correct version of islam makes no one happy the terrorist-sympathizers see them ( at times correctly) as sellouts and this hardens their resolve even more, while the moderates the also distrustful cuz of their views on social issues.

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That's the thing Das Reich, NO MAN has the right to go up to some random woman and tell her to dress more modestly. There are boundaries. If you want to encourage someone to be a better person, there are other avenues to go about that. I don't see them going up to kids gambling on the streets when they should be in school, telling them "beta go to school, why are you skipping?", or I don't see them going up to administrators of a city and saying "You know, everyone dumps their trash on the street and as cleanliness is 1/2 our imaan, lets do something about this". No, the first thing and the only thing they know how to go after is a woman's dress code.

Its RETARDED. Lets start admitting when our people act RETARDED, because its more of a sign that you need to be evaluated psychiatrically and possibly institutionalized versus being praised as a scholar of Islam.