Re: Mulla who was arrested trying to flee in burqa granted bail
ok, last post. Here's your original post:
"Rather amazing. Being granted bail is an individual right and part of the legal process of any country. **Hell you expats should know very well that murderers and rapists get bail in the US and UK. **Why would this guy not get the chance either?
More importantly I am happy the rule of law is being implemented and obeyed. About time it started to happen in Pakistan. If anything our problem is linked to the attitudes reflected in the posts above. No respect for law and order.
It looks like you are saying here that anyone questioning the court's decision to grant bail to Abdul Aziz is going against the rule of law. Is that correct? That's what I'm disagreeing with since that would only be true if everyone charged with a crime had a right to bail rather than it being at the court's discretion.
Don't you think there would be a lot of outrage if someone accused of a crime of comparable severity in any other country was released on bail? Why are we making all these technical legal arguments and ignoring what this decision shows about where the chief justice's sympathies lie. khair, you are entitled to your opinion if you think this is a positive development.
Re: Mulla who was arrested trying to flee in burqa granted bail
Why are we making all these technical legal arguments and ignoring what this decision shows about where the chief justice's sympathies lie. khair, you are entitled to your opinion if you think this is a positive development.
Are you saying that CJ or the SC has some kind of likeness for this guy?
The concept of justice is based on impartiality of the justice system & regardless of his crimes (which we all know what is) the court has to be impartial in its decisions. If govt failed to prosecute him on even single count in 2 years you cannot blame the SC for granting him bail.
BTW, under Pakistani law once you're arrested you must be produce before magistrate within 48 (or is 24 hours?) & be informed of a crime you been arrested for. This guy had been in govt custody for last 2 years, yet govt has failed to prosecute him on single count. How can than anyone blame court for granting him bail?
Re: Mulla who was arrested trying to flee in burqa granted bail
shami2k
Look, that's a good point but it ignores the ground realities in Pakistan since so many accused are held for longer than the allowed period of time with no questions being asked. To rigorously uphold procedural requirements just for Maulana Abdul Aziz is in itself a show of bias towards him.
Re: Mulla who was arrested trying to flee in burqa granted bail
^^^ The govt had 2 years to bring him to trial, convict him, but it failed. You cannot lock people up for indefinite time. So, if there is anyone to blame here its the govt & not the justice system.
He is not declared innocent, just granted bail (to live outside jail).
Rather amazing. Being granted bail is an individual right and part of the legal process of any country. Hell you expats should know very well that murderers and rapists get bail in the US and UK. Why would this guy not get the chance either?
More importantly I am happy the rule of law is being implemented and obeyed. About time it started to happen in Pakistan. If anything our problem is linked to the attitudes reflected in the posts above. No respect for law and order.
I'd be happy to see someone get bail out of jail if he is a lesser/smaller criminal and he showed improvment after counselling in jail. But letting someone out of jail who is a terrorist, he gave refuge to terrorists in the mosque/madrassas in his control, he wrecked havoc in Islamabad by using ladies/girls etc.
Re: Mulla who was arrested trying to flee in burqa granted bail
Please re label this thread as Maulana Nawazish Ali granted bail. Last I remember him was trying to make a hasty exit from Laal Masjid in a Burqaa, leaving the (extremely stupid) women (chicks with sticks), children and jihadi boys behind.
Re: Mulla who was arrested trying to flee in burqa granted bail
Look, we all may not like him personally but the court can only try him for what he is charged with. And if his charges are of a degree that come under bail eligibility, then that's something we need to swallow because that's how court system works. After being locked up on no charges or charges of a degree that warrant a bail, it becomes a citizen's right to be freed until trial date. You all see it happen everywhere in the world everyday, so lets not let our ego get the best of us when it comes to statistical view of this matter.
Had the previous Govt. of Musharraf charged him heavily, he would still be locked up. Had the current Govt. laid more charges on him, he would still probably be behind lockup.
The point of the matter is, his charges or lack of them, allow for him to be bailed out.
Re: Mulla who was arrested trying to flee in burqa granted bail
Look, we all may not like him personally but the court can only try him for what he is charged with. And if his charges are of a degree that come under bail eligibility, then that's something we need to swallow because that's how court system works. After being locked up on no charges or charges of a degree that warrant a bail, it becomes a citizen's right to be freed until trial date. You all see it happen everywhere in the world everyday, so lets not let our ego get the best of us when it comes to statistical view of this matter.
Had the previous Govt. of Musharraf charged him heavily, he would still be locked up. Had the current Govt. laid more charges on him, he would still probably be behind lockup.
The point of the matter is, his charges or lack of them, allow for him to be bailed out.
Do you mean he was not in prison because of any of terrorism related charges? Picking up guns against and killing police/army is no treason/terrorism?
Re: Mulla who was arrested trying to flee in burqa granted bail
When someone is aiding in overthrowing the government and taking the writ of law into their own hands, you don't release that kind of person on bail. You keep them in a high security prison, and actually, in most places, you execute them on accounts of treason.
Re: Mulla who was arrested trying to flee in burqa granted bail
Do you mean he was not in prison because of any of terrorism related charges? Picking up guns against and killing police/army is no treason/terrorism?
Yes what he did was nothing short of terrorism. That's a given. But we also lack the evidence before us that was used to convict him. He is probably freed on the grounds of evidence presented before the court (assumption, because i am not sure).
I'm not sure what charges were packed on his case and whether he was brought before a judge between his arrest and now.
We have to see all those details to really find out why he was granted bail.
I was just merely pointing out that, that's how it works. He must have been granted bail on some grounds, and we need more information into this to really know the facts about his release.
Courts often free people even after their conviction, but because his case is not like domestic cases of violence, his trial should have been done and over with while the old Govt was still intact and had the time to go through with it, instead of focusing on making the civil life miserable by arresting lawyers/protestors/media-men, and so on.
The fault lies with those who charged him, to either have charged him lightly or for not going through with the trial. 2 years w/out trial is a long time, unless you count Gitmo prisoners.
Re: Mulla who was arrested trying to flee in burqa granted bail
When every Muslim country is not ashamed of its systems . We are afraid of Mullas. Many of our leaders are so afraid of Talibans that they are not ready to say even a word against them. This Mulla is now new Hitler. He was equalent responcible of killing of Innocent children there.He is realeased by S.C.
Re: Mulla who was arrested trying to flee in burqa granted bail
Pakistanis must bow their heads in shame for what the Chief Justice has done to this country. The release of this terrorist shows where Iftikhar Chaudhary's sympathies lie. When viewed in conjunction with Shahbaz's statement earlier, it is clear that the future is very bleak indeed.
Re: Mulla who was arrested trying to flee in burqa granted bail
Yeah I don't even know why people like Sufi were being released - it amazes me that they had this guy in prison and they actually released him.
Lets release all the other criminals in holding, I mean what's holding them back? Its a fashion these days to spend money, time, and soldiers' blood to capture criminals and then just release them some months later.
Ridiculous. This world is becoming more and more ridiculous as we speak.
Re: Mulla who was arrested trying to flee in burqa granted bail
wonder why the thief justice ifti is not taking any suar mota actions i mean suo moto actions on this stuff. seems like either he does not give a damn or he was castrated by zardari before being put back on the bench.
Re: Mulla who was arrested trying to flee in burqa granted bail
Come on Musharaff, we need you back :-)
People are beginning to understand who was at wrong in Lal masjid attack.
Apparently maulana Abdul "Burqa" Aziz is going to shortly announce his future plans so stay tuned for more bad news (as if talibans weren't enough ) but Zardari will make a peace deal with maulana as well by giving him charge of Islamabad.