This stamp was with Muhammed Salalhualihiwasalm
After the death the stamp was in possesion of Hazrat Abu Bakar (R.A)
After the death of Hazrat Abu Bakar (R.A) the stamp was came in the possesion of Hazrat Umer (R.A).
After the death of Hazrat Umer (R.A) the stamp was in possesion of Hazrat Uthman (R.A)and oneday when he was drinking water from a well it was lost there in the well.
After that the stamp is not found and it will be found by Imam Mehdi (R.A)according to the books.
Hazrat Usman RA lost it in a well, and that was around 1300 yrs ago.....and before that, someone managed to capture a color photograph of the stamp? Can u name the source of this photo?
[This message has been edited by Akif (edited December 09, 2000).]
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**Hazrat Usman RA lost it in a well, and that was around 1300 yrs ago.....and before that, someone managed to capture a color photograph of the stamp? Can u name the source of this photo?
I did not know about the findings of the stamp can u tell me Sir, who found this.
Surce is that the picture is taken from Masjid-e-Nabawi directly
Yes this is the impression of the signet-ring, which Holy Prophet of Islam(sa) use to wear and stamp letters sent to various kings and rulers.
And Ahmadjaan, you are absolutely right, once Hadhrat Uthman.ra was sitting beside a well or might be fetching the water when he accidentally dropped the ring in that well.
This famous well, which was located in the backyard of Masjid-e-Quba is known in the history as bir-e-khatam (bir= well, khatam=seal).
PS:aside that, the word ‘Khatam-un-Nabiyeen’ also means ‘SEAL of the Prophets’, (not ‘LAST’)
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I don't know if this image is a hoax or not. I was never aware that this 'seal' was lost. I have seen this exact image hanging in lots of mosques all over Pakistan. The caption says that this is the seal of the Prophet (PBUH), with which he used to stamp his correspondance with other rulers.
Even if the seal itself is lost (which I never knew), I wasn under the impression that this is an artist's reproduction of the seal of the prophet.
PS 1. Here I am using the word "seal" in the meaning of 'stamp'.
PS 2. The Ahmadiyya translation of the the word "khatim" meaning "seal" and not "last" is besides this topic. So kindly only provide comments on the topic at hand.
Brother Abdullah, what makes you think so? Am I am inventing a new religion over here?
The image is not posted by me, or made by me; also the opinion is not given by me. I just second that.
Regarding the impression, it is very common; I have seen this many times in Pakistan and in Saudi Arabia. Many have framed script with the seal at the bottom, hanging on their walls.
By the way I am not discussing qadianism over here, the word is fairly related that’s why I mentioned.
PS: svp laisser ma foi, mais seulement si vous voulez discuter. merci
Folks, needless to say that these 'objects' have no significant value in Islam. They are nothing but man-made artifacts backed by conjured up theories.
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Originally posted by outlaw:
**Folks, needless to say that these 'objects' have no significant value in Islam. They are nothing but man-made artifacts backed by conjured up theories.
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Originally posted by outlaw:
**Folks, needless to say that these 'objects' have no significant value in Islam. They are nothing but man-made artifacts backed by conjured up theories.
THIS PICTURE IS MADE BY SOME ARTIST SEEING THE LETTERS OF PROPHET
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Originally posted by Pristine:
**I don't know if this image is a hoax or not. I was never aware that this 'seal' was lost. I have seen this exact image hanging in lots of mosques all over Pakistan. The caption says that this is the seal of the Prophet (PBUH), with which he used to stamp his correspondance with other rulers.
Even if the seal itself is lost (which I never knew), I wasn under the impression that this is an artist's reproduction of the seal of the prophet.
PS 1. Here I am using the word "seal" in the meaning of 'stamp'.
PS 2. The Ahmadiyya translation of the the word "khatim" meaning "seal" and not "last" is besides this topic. So kindly only provide comments on the topic at hand.
ACTUALY SIR STAMP & SEAL BOTH ARE SIMILAR IF YOU SAY KHATIM MEAN LAST OR KHATIM MEAN STAMP OR SEAL.
IF YOU ARE SOING SOME BUSINES THEN IN YOUR BUSINESS LETTERS
IT IS CLEAR WHEN YOU HAVE STAMP on something it mean this is end after this will be nothing mean if you put your signature on a documents then you can not write more in letter your signature are final in letters.
If you write something after your signature will not be part of letter and will be written as
dear Sir,
I am ill so can not ocme to school
yours obediently.
---sd-----
ROll No.704
ok after this if you will write will be as
Dear SIr,
Our merchandised are at your end .
Please arrange to lift the merchandised.
Danke
-----sd-----
Ahmed Jan
N.B:-The Freight will be on your acount
The main thing was to bring the merchandised with in your primises and the freight is a secondary item here.
Try to understand the matter
Ahmedjan says: "IT IS CLEAR WHEN YOU HAVE STAMP on something it mean this is end after this will be nothing mean if you put your signature on a documents then you can not write more in letter your signature are final in letters.
Ok now the discussion is taking a religious tint. Well ahmedjan, allow me to jot my idea in few words, hopefully you may agree to it.
Muslims in particular emphasizes to say that the placement of SEAL on a document, for example, means that the said document is ‘concluded’ and nothing could be added on it. Right?
However, the term is quite misunderstood in its application and claim. My opinion of putting a seal (on a document or anything else) is to ***validate its Authenticity *** and not to validate its Conclusion.
There is a difference between the two terms. Both are independent and are not mutually interchangable.
Got it?
Try to comprehend from both angles and see how much the other side weighs.
**In case of Mohammad(sa) being the Seal of the Prophets, **
The Muslims believes that He is the Seal of Conclusion of all the Prophets, while
The Ahmadis believes that He is the Seal of Authenticity of all the Prophets. (i.e. no one can claim to be a prophet unless and until he bears the seal of the Prophet Mohammad(sa). Be it Mosses or Jesus or any one among the 124000 earlier claimants, one MUST bear the characteristics and impression of the Holy Prophet.sa to be validated as a true appointee.)
Actually Muslims and ahmadi both are right in the matter
Just Listen
The Stamp which is shown here is authenticated by allah and this stamp was imbossed in the mid of the neck of the last Prophet of Allah by allah.
And the stamp which is under discussion is the same which was imbossed by Allah Originaly
And finally Mirzai have no such stamp or seal
there in
"Mirza Ghulam Ahmed"
look the name "GHULAM AHMED MEANS SLAVE OF AHMED"
And how a slave can be the prophet try to understand Zalim