Muharram Starts!!! Some Important Questions to Ask (Exclusive)

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Excellent post…

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Also excellent post by khanbabax.......
The real thing , in my humble opinion, is the Sunnah of prophet (peace be upon him) .I have heard somewhere that for a muslim there are 4 levels....
1.muslim
2.momin
3.muhib
4.mahboob

1.muslim is that person that accept islam from tongue by saying kalma.........

2.momin is that whose heart is filled with emann.....

3.mohib is one who love Allah .....

4.mahboob is one who is "loved" by "Allah" !!!!!!!!!!!!!

and no.4 is the greatest of all the levels.......

and his level is achieved only by following "Sunnah" of Muhammad(peace be upon him) as in quran that "O muhammad(peace be upon him) tell the believers that if you love allah (and wanted that allah also love you as it is the greatest desire of a mohib that his mahboob also love him) then follow me(muhammad(pbuh) , i will also love you and forgive your all sins """

        I do not know the surat but the ayat seems like this.......

So , it is clear that the easiest way of getting this highest level is following the Sunnah.......

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So in all worships , the one with sunnah has a greatest priority....Of all the duas that people recite from other saints , sufis , aalims etc , it is is not forbidden but the greatest sawab will be on the words of duas by prophet(pbuh)......Of all the "zikor_o_azkar" the most beneficial will be the one done by prophet(pbuh)......

            There is hadees of prophet(pbuh) which state " if any person in times of difficulty alive only my 1 sunnah , he has a reward of 100 shaheeds"

Times of difficulty means people will abuse him , make fun of him and ridicule him like we see keeping beard for a young man and women doing "complete" hijab is if not difficult then also not as easy in general in Pakistan and in particular in europe and america etc etc......
So there is nothing like sunnah.Once during the period of Farooq , the great(ra) , one sahabi did not attend the Fajr prayer in masjid_e_ nabvi with jamat .His wife came to umar(ra) and he asked him why your husband not thre in fajr jamat , she replied O ameer_ul_momineen! he spent his whole night in nafl prayers and at morning did his fagr prayer at home and then slept.Umar(ra) replied "it is far better for him to sleep whole night and say prayer in the mosque in morning wiith jamat ......"

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So what do you think ... " Can " prophet(peace be upon him) ask on day of judgement , O my dear grandson , O imam of youth of Jannah , why you sacrificed all of my family ....... Why you sacrified all my ahlle bait at karbala .....
He will say O my beloved grandfather , on one hand there will be unjust government , politics and islam had been seperated.....there was a start of a family succession.... your sunnah had been only a personal matter not applicable to throne and government..... Nana jan on one hand there was a precious blood of your 72 family members ....on other hand there was your sunnah ........Nana jan , i sacrificed these 72 precious men to your Sunnah ........., for your sunnah even the blood of your family , your loved one and kith and kins has no significance......O nana jan , I practically showed to the whole of the world till qiyamat that if any thing contradicts your Sunnah , our heads will be on the edges of knives and swords ..........
So , this is the real message of the martyrdom of karbala........This is "hussaniat".........

                   Now comes the real sad tragic and unfortunate point that hussain(ra) sacrificed his life for a "cause" we have forgotten it......and spent our energies in  matters which are antiparallel to "hussainiat"....... When muharram starts , the " lovers" of hussain(ra) keep on shouting  hussain  hussain hussain ........ all of the film makers and actresses wear black clothes , stop shooting and shouting hussain hussain. hussain ...... the adulter women started shouting hussain hussain......... nohay , majlisain....  wear black clothes.... and on 11 of muharram again start thier usual "work"   and actresses start thier shootings......Now it is really painful is hussain(ra) sacrificed for this purpose that for 10 days , become an angel and on 11 , become ---------- Is hussain(ra) sacrificed this precious blood for this reason ....is hussain(ra) , ali(ra) or hassan(ra) ever ordered this........ I think it is a mark of "disgrace" on hussain(ra) of what people do on the name of "love" of hussain(ra) .........whoever there.....start shouting hussain hussain hussain...... nachna walain , filmo walian , gawayai,bhand , qawal, all start shouting hussain hussain.......is this a respect of ahle bait...........
                                On the other hand, some extremists take guns in thier hands and start firing on the "lovers" of hussain(ra) , kill innocent people and carpets the mosques with blood and bones......... Poor..... they also do this in the " love " of hussain(ra)..........So you see,there is nither "Hussaniat" who raised the flags of hussain(ra) , nor their is "Hussaniat" who raised guns in thier hands..........
                                Both sides loses.......... and still they happy we have acted upon the "philosophy" of "Hussainiat"........................

                                      Is hussain(ra) did all this for this purpose.......He saved the Sunnah at cost of his own head and his family members heads but both sides  never respected this "sacrifice" , also those who raised the "flags" and also those who raised the "guns"................
                                I am so sorry to say this, the whole shia muslims religion is based upon "Anti-Sunnah" things right from "Imaamniyyat" and "Aqaid" to the least minute details of individual worship acts...........Contradicing the majority of Ahle sunnah wal jamat point of views in every aspect ....in every angel... in every perspective.......Neglecting "Sunnah" for which hussain(ra) precious blood flowed on the sands of Karbala ..........
   Prophet(pbuh) forbade mourning , we do it....he forbade noha and shouting , we do it...... he allowed only 3 days for aanybody   and 4 months and 10 days for a widow for sadness , we still do it......He forbade asking help except allah , we do it....... he forbade making pictures we do it of ali(ra) and hussain(ra) ....he forbade cursing of sahabas , we do it in all our "majlises".......  he forbade visiting a women to graves .....we o it an ziarat......and so on..........
                                   And still we think that we are doing it for the name of "Hussainiat" and for the "love" of prophet(peace be upon him) ..............We are , i think , deceiving ourselves , no one else................
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There is hadees of prophet(peace be upon him) " I have left 2 things for you , if you hold them ,you will never go astray , one is the holy quran and the other is my sunnah or in some books it is my ahle bait"
So you see , these 2 things will always make the person rightly guided......And i personally think that there is no"""" contradiction""" in ahle bait and sunnah because ahle baiit never did anything """"""opposed """"to sunnah , according to my little knowledge.Can anybody , from authentic history, prove us that , ali(ra) , hassan(ra) , hussain(ra) , zain_ul_aabideen offered 3 prayers "always" (prophet done it only once on a special occasion), do wadhu from feet , extnded kalma , extended azan, changed zakat rate,kept karbala sand when praying ( even zain-ul-abideen , baqar , jaffar sadiq do not do it), ever said that we are imams, "masooms" , " batni revelations " are on us , follow us blindly , gave the concept of "Immamah" and "Wilayat" , order that do ziarats of our graves , ever ordered that make help from us ,ake ali(ra) the "godman" ever said that this quran is wrong and the real one is in cave of last imam, ever ordered that jihad will be only if mahdi order it, and so on so on and so on...................................

              By God , i am not critisizing my shia muslim brothers and sisters but just asking a simple question :  Did ali(ra) , hassan(ra) , hussain(ra) , fatima(ra) ever ordered these things  or preached these things to thier "lovers"......... Or all respectful ahle bait strictly follow quran and 'Sunnah' of prophet(peae be upon him) ?????????????
                     Can anyone plz. answer this question.........
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I request the respectful Moderators Ma Mooli and Saddia that plz. do not close this thread , i have tried my level best in the above posts , not to hurt feelings of anyone or secterian arguments.....

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Yes, true. Very well said.

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Can anybody , from authentic history, prove us that , ali(ra) , hassan(ra) , hussain(ra) , zain_ul_aabideen offered 3 prayers "always" (prophet done it only once on a special occasion),
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According to Shia fiqh the period between noon and sunset, both the zuhr and the asr prayers can be prayed together. So one can pray these two sets of prayers any time within the prescribed period, without necassarily having to ray each separately, at the preferred time. However, it is better to seperate the two. There are hadiths in Shia books which allow this. However for you I will cite a sunni source. " The messenger of God prayed the zuhr and asr together, and the maghrib and isha together, without his being a traveller or in fear ". Sahih Muslim, vol. 2, p. 151, chapter 'On the joining together of the two prayers whilst at home'.

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extnded kalma
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The addition of Ali un wali ullah is not an integral part of the Kalima. It is a recommened practice.

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"extended azan,"
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Again a recommended practice, similar to " Prayer is better than sleep "

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changed zakat rate,
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No idea about that. sorry

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kept karbala sand when praying ( even zain-ul-abideen , baqar , jaffar sadiq do not do it),
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Prostration is only allowed on earth, or on whatever may be on it, so long as the material on the ground not be made out of a substance that can be eaten or worn. Prostration on anything else is not considered correct. Imam Jafar Sadiq a.s. said " The prostration is allowed only on the earth, or on what grows from the earth, except that which can be eaten or worn " al-Amili, Wasail al-Shia, vol.3, ch.1, hadith no.1, p.591.
So the 'Karbala Sand' we use while prostrating is very well within the limits of Shariah.

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ever said that we are imams, "masooms" , " batni revelations " are on us , follow us blindly , gave the concept of "Immamah" and "Wilayat" , order that do ziarats of our graves , ever ordered that make help from us ,ake ali(ra) the "godman" ever said that this quran is wrong and the real one is in cave of last imam, ever ordered that jihad will be only if mahdi order it, and so on so on and so on..........................
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Thats one hell of list you got there. However I will only address the issue of Imamate as I recon it to be the most important. However I cant address the issue of Imamate in detail here. Suffice would be say that the concept of a 'legal guide' or Imam is central and an integral part of both Sunni and Shia madhab. Which sunni fiqh do you follow? Hanafi etc? Also, can you be within the circle of Islam without following any of the established school of thought? You have to follow one of the fiqh. Isnt that right? One more thing. We believe in the same Quran. No alternation and amendments can be made in the Holy Book.

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I have to say I agree with you here 100%

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agree with that as well...100%. But same is the case in Ramazan. People become "faristas" and "lovers" of Islam in Ramazan and start with their usual "work" after ramazan. But does that invalidate the month of Ramazan and its due reverence?

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Ripper did your Job .... Great brother ...

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you are right ...but the criticism here is directed more towards the way in which azadari is conducted there is no doubt that there is an enormous influence of the darbari culture of safavids and nawabs of awadhs ...rulers which hardly conformed to the lifestyle led by ameer-ul-momineen Ali ibn abutalib and his sons....rather they had more in common with the dynastical rule which later replaced the pious caliphate

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Really good article!!!!!

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Totally wrong , marai bhai , who said this to you …The concept of “fiqah imams” in sunni madhab is 180 degrees with that of shia madhab.They are “human” , human , human and human…100% chances of error and mistakes in them and not chances but also mistakes done in “Ightihad” by all of the greatest 4 imams … why ? because to err is “human” They are not “super natural” , sinless, appointed from Allah , continuation of prophethood ,or it is compulsory to follow any them .Mairai bhai , in any fiqah issue , if you do not follow the 4 imams , no sin on you at all but then you have your own " istadlal" and “isthakhrag” from quran and sunnah provided neither quran , nor sunnah rule is broken to the least possibility , and the person should not be , “Mughtahid” but " Mughtahida-i-Mutlaq" who can do this because it is too difficult to negate only “Imam Abu Haneefah Wisdom” but to negate 4 imams it is very very difficult…
now look at a shia muslims concept and in-depth of concept of “Immamah” …

The theory of Imaamat - The basic principle of the Shiah creed is their “Aqecdah-e-Imaamat”. The crux of this belief is that just as Allaah Ta’ala had specially appointed and sent the Prophets (alaihimus salaam) in the same He had sent and specially appointed the Imaams that came after Nabi (sallAllaahu alaihi wasallam). These Imaams are, according to the Shiah religion also free of faults and sinless. Wahi (Divine Revelation) is sent to them. Their obedience is necessary just as is that of a Prophet. They, just like Prophets, can issue and regulate the rulings of Shariah. They also have the prerogative to change and abrogate any law that is contained in the Qur’aan Majeed.

It is as though the Aqaa’id of lslaam, and its every, aspect is in the hands of a specially appointed Prophet, which is understandable, nevertheless, the Shiahs aver that their “Imaams” have this same status and rank.

This theory of Imaamat of the Shiahs is a rebellious opposition to the finality of Prophethood of our Nabi (sallAllaahu alaihi wasallam) and it is a clear conspiracy against the existence of Islaam. This is the reason why all the false claimants to prophethood since the times of yore upto Mirza Ghulaam Ahmad have borrowed this Shiah concept of lmaamat as an expedient loophole to their false claims.

This concept of Imaamat of the Shiah religion is inherently and naturally incorrect. The reason being that the Shiahs themselves will not be able to sustain the burden of this belief for a long time. In fact they have terminated their lmaamat theory upon their 12ih Imaam, who, since the year 260A.H. has been in hiding in a cave and has ever since disappeared. Today, an entire 11 centuries later, the Shiahs are still unaware where exactly their Imaam is and what is his condition.

As much as I contemplate upon the Shiah’s theory of lmaamat, I am becoming more and more convinced that this theory has been thrust against the finality of the prophethood of our Nabi (sallAllaahu alaihi wasallam) and it has been connived so as to grant impetus and validity to the false claimants to prophethood and lmaamat. Consider well - since the time of Hadhrat Isaa (alaihi salaam) until the time of our Nabi (sallAllaahu alaihi wasallam) an entire period of six centuries passed, but there was no guider sent to the Ummat from Allaah Ta’ala. Here on the other hand, after the Sun of the Finality of Prophethood (sallAllaahu alaihi wasallam), who illuminated the universe with his Noor, passes away, according to the Shiah belief, Allaah Ta’ala did not leave the world for one minute, nay not even one second and He established some ‘sinless lmaam’ who then changes the Dcen and abrogates the Quraan Majeed. And then, this is not restricted o only one lmaam, there comes 12 of them in succession. And then suddenly, after two and a half centuries of Islaam has passed, Allaah Ta’ala (abruptly) closes the succession of Imaams. In fact, the twelfth lmaam who was sent, is made to disappear forever at the age of two.

Can there be any person who believes in the Nubuwwat of Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alaihi wasallam), and who accepts that he (sallAllaahu alaihi wasallam) was not sent to destroy,
change and disfigure Islaam, in fact, he (sallAllaahu alaihi wasallam) was sent to sustain and be a means for the procurement of Islaam until the Day of Qiyaamah, ever tolerate this theory of lmaamat of the Shiahs?

The ‘seniors’ of the Shiah religion, who they brand as their Imaams, have also themselves never claimed lmaamat. They never laid claim to be leaders of the Allaah Ta’ala’s creation. In fact, every one of them were the elders of the Ahle Sunnah and they were the illumination to the eyes of the believers. Their Deen and beliefs, their methods and ways, and their manner of lbaadat was never in accordance to that of the Shiah religion. Actually they followed the ways and methods of the Sahaabah and Taabieen. It was in accordance to that Deen which was left by Nabi (sallAllaahu alaihi wasallam), and that which the entire Muslim Ummat practices upon. These pious personalities practised upon this Islaam in front of all to see. However, the Shiahs wish us to believe that the beliefs of these people were something else, but in accordance to their spurious belief in ‘Taqiyah’ (holy hypocrisy) they were concealing their true beliefs and showing something else to the people. According to the Shiah religion, it is as though Allaah Ta’ala sent sinless Imaams who were incapable of guiding mankind and forever hid behind the cloak of Taqiyah. And their twelfth lmaam is so concealed that none knows his whereabouts to this day! From this we can ascertain that this theory of lmaamat of the Shiahs, not only strikes at the finality of Nubuwwat of our Nabi (sallAllaahu alaihi wasallam), in fact it is clearly even contrary to the intelligence and reasoning. This can never be the teachings of Allaah Ta’ala, it is the invention of the warped brain of some Jew.

And i think , no need to mention , the name of this jew !!!

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mairay bhai , kia khoobsarat baat ki hai " recommended practice" … Brother, can i ask you with due respect, who has a “”“”“Authority “””“”" for “such” types of “”“”“” RECOMMENDATIONS"“”“”"
This last and greatest of all religion is a " CHILD’s PLAY" that whoever wants , can do any “RECOMMENDATIONS” in the "totally agreed " matters and aqaid and ibadat etc…Exclude anything which is not accordance with you an include anything which you like…its just a simple and loly-pop type matter having no significance or no effect !!!

         Brother , you know the powers of a Supreme Court of Pakistan that recently taken steps on Steel -Mill and Basant and Lost people etc ...Musharraf and all 4 and 5 stars generals , 4 provincial CM's and governors can do anything against the Supreme Court , if it is allowed to work free..................
        But brother , do you know , despite of these all powers , if a larger bench of all 9 judges sit toghether  , they cannot even omit or include a "Single Comma" in the Constituation of Pakistan" that is approved by national assembly and Senate .......

                   And , this religion Islam , created and approved by Allah, the great , and handed over by by his greatest messenger , Muhammad (peace be upon him) , You include and exclude "anything" you like on the name of "RECOMMENDATIONS" and say simple it is not an " integral" part and just Recommendation  ..........

What is this !!!
You are changing the rules and regulations and wordings of Allah Allmighty and sying this is only “Recommendation” , the matter is as “simple” as you try to pose it…

           Secondly brother , there is shaheeh hadees of holy prophet(peace be upon him) that " Follow the sunnah  me and my Khulfay Rashhedeen"  and there is also hadees that 30 years after me the caliphate will be remained and if you count all 4 rightly guided caliphs and 6 months of hazrat hassan(ra) , its comes out to be 30 years.......
              So some very "minute" changes made by all 5 caliphs , according to hadees , will be as compulsory as following sunnah of prophet(pbuh) himself.........
   Furthermore....

  • salat is better then namaz is only an addition in azan , it is not a "personal Qaseeda " of some personality , its just a sentence to all common muslims .Umar (ra) never used his name in azan but shia muslims use the "Name " ali(ra) in kalima…

  • Kalima is the most basic thing while azan is not , it is just a call of salat , which in real the basic pillar of islam…

  • when said aliyun waliyun , its not mean hazrat ali(ra) is only “wali” of god as we sunni muslims used this word for a pious ,naik , good , dervish person that he is wali of Allah.Shia muslims use tis word with the whole “background” in thier mind about ali(ra) " Wilayat " , its " characteristics , just similar to prophethood etc means right after saying Muhammad(peace be upon him) his messenger , its not a “pause” but some sort of “Continuation” of prophethood , although less then Muhammad(peace be upon him) but greater than all prophets of God 1,24,000… Batni revelations , knowledge of all present , past and future and sinless which are simultaniously overlaps wth of characteristics of 1,24,000 prophets…

  • And brother , last but not the least , you said umar(ra) added “Salat is better then sleep” , Brother do you know on whom advice the “whole” azan was started !!!

          It was Farooq, the great (ra) , may billions of praises of Allah on him , advice given to prophet(peace be upon him) azan is the best way to call for salat and Allah Allmighty "APPROVED" this.........Not a single "Approval" on the battle of badar , umar(ra) on prophet(peace be upon him) inquiry , suggested to kill all kufars but prophet(peace be upon him) not actedupon the advicebut Allah again "AGREED" with the advice of "Umar"ra...........And do you know , ayats of Quran regarding "Parda" , on whom advice , Allah given these orders..........

    And this is reason why prophet(peace be upon him) once said that Allah sometimes speak with the tongue of Umar " and on other occasion said that Umar(ra) passes from a street , evev Satan , leave this street…"

Brother , not from just Islamic history, but from human history.......

just give a name of a singe person excluding prophets ,parallel to Umar(ra) in statesmanship , justice , warrior , conquerer , leader , faqqeh , think tank etc in multitude diverse characterisics …

Can you give me a "Single "…

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brother dawa_i_dil due to lack of time I cant go through your entire email but I am answering those items which caught my eye:

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Secondly brother , there is shaheeh hadees of holy prophet(peace be upon him) that " Follow the sunnah me and my Khulfay Rashhedeen" and there is also hadees that 30 years after me the caliphate will be remained and if you count all 4 rightly guided caliphs and 6 months of hazrat hassan(ra) , its comes out to be 30 years.......

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I do not know the authenticity of that hadith according to shias but I will say that when debating with someone you should bring forth proof that both sides hold true; not just rely on your own source. Having said that I'll continue under the assumption that you hadith is correct. Someone can correct me if I am wrong.
Its the second hadith that I have more problem with. You see it directly contradicts another set of hadiths (more than one) in which the prophet pbuh and hf says that after him there will be 12 khalifas, leaders, princes (different words used in different hadiths). And these hadiths are held authentic by BOTH shia and sunni. So your second hadith, which might be held true by sunnis, still contradicts other hadiths held true by them.

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  • And brother , last but not the least , you said umar(ra) added "Salat is better then sleep" , Brother do you know on whom advice the "whole" azan was started !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Again , you are referring to sunni hadith rejected by the shias.

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And do you know , ayats of Quran regarding "Parda" , on whom advice , Allah given these orders..........

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To be honest I didnt understand what you wrote before this; but what you imply here is quite new. I dnt even think most sunnis suscribe to this view that Allah swt acted on Umar's advice in matters of religion. To go to that extent would be to be uncomfortably close to heresy. If you persist though, please give me your sources for this claim.

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Brother , not from just Islamic history, but from human history.......
just give a name of a singe person excluding prophets ,parallel to Umar(ra) in statesmanship , justice , warrior , conquerer , leader , faqqeh , think tank etc in multitude diverse characterisics ...................

Can you give me a "Single "........................

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umm....yes I can. And the name is quite obvious. But since I dont want this thread to degenerate into a face off between the two I'll spare you the blushes. If you are interested (or anyone else for that matter); please spinoff a new thread and I'll happily oblige.

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The theory of Imaamat - The basic principle of the Shiah creed is their "Aqecdah-e-Imaamat". The crux of this belief is that just as Allaah Ta'ala had specially appointed and sent the Prophets (alaihimus salaam) in the same He had sent and specially appointed the Imaams that came after Nabi (sallAllaahu alaihi wasallam). These Imaams are, according to the Shiah religion also free of faults and sinless. Wahi (Divine Revelation) is sent to them. Their obedience is necessary just as is that of a Prophet. They, just like Prophets, can issue and regulate the rulings of Shariah. They also have the prerogative to change and abrogate any law that is contained in the Qur'aan Majeed.

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I dont know whether u do this intentionally or you never learned better, but this is not the first time I have seen you mix truth with lies. Some of what you say is correct but shias do not believe wahi's are sent to Imams and neither can they change or abrogate any law in the Quran.
There are many infactual stataments in the rest of your reply. But there are so many that it would take me an entire day if I start addressing them one by one. Please, for the love of God, learn about shia beliefs from SHIA sources (websites, books etc) and not from wahhabi sources.

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And this is reason why prophet(peace be upon him)** once said that Allah sometimes speak with the tongue of Umar "** and on other occasion said that Umar(ra) passes from a street , evev Satan , leave this street.........."
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wow ! and u call shias extremists !

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just give a name of a singe person excluding prophets ,parallel to Umar(ra) in statesmanship , justice , warrior , conquerer , leader , faqqeh , think tank etc in multitude diverse characterisics ...................

Can you give me a "Single "........................

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brother i am pretty sure that the kharijites asked Qays b Sa'd[ra] exactly the same question just before Battle of Nahrawan to which he replied that the "qualities of Umar[ra] are great indeed but no one is blessed with such merits and qualiites as my master "

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Walaikum Assalam Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatahu

We give lots of Value to the Shairi of ordinary people instead of Quran and Sunnah that is not good.

Read about shairi in Quran. Quran main shairi say mana farmaya gia hai Jaisa kay main nain samjha hai. Us shairi say jis main ghalat biyani say kaam liaa jaay.

Instead of Reading Naat or Nohas why don't we read quran or Sunnah at that time. Or even our Qiza namaz.

We waste our time in useless things like Naats and Nohas. That is I think gumrahi. Sahi rastay aur maqsad say hut gay hain hum.

Kia Kaheen Quran main likha hai kay bargahon pay hazri deni chahyay. Again wasting of Time.

I have no Idea what are you talking about.

AS far as I know Hussain razi Allah Tala Anhu.

One more thing.

Now A firqa instead of saying Assalam o Alaikum says ya Ali. Wher in Quran or Sunnah they found that instead of Assalam o Alaikum they can say ya Ali???

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Read about shairi in Quran. Quran main shairi say mana farmaya gia hai Jaisa kay main nain samjha hai. Us shairi say jis main ghalat biyani say kaam liaa jaay.

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Please avoid extrapolating from the Quran. Quran does NOT forbid poetry. It DOES forbid 'ghalat biyani'. Dont extrapolate and join the two!! There are already enough lies and misquotes on the web for you to now start paraphrasing the Quran!!!
As for poetry

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Instead of Reading Naat or Nohas why don't we read quran or Sunnah at that time. Or even our Qiza namaz.

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Reading naats and nohas does not preclude reading the quran or sunnah. According to Imam al-Ghazali in the Ihya' 'Ulum al-Deen and Imam Yusuf ibn Ismail an-Nabahaani in Anwaaru'l Muhammadiyyah when the prophet pbuh and hf entered madina after the hijrat; he was eulogized by poetry.
Hassaan bin Thabit used to recite poetry in praise of the Prophet pbuh & hf or to respond to the Kuffar. And he was encouraged by the Prophet pbuh&hf. (according to Bukhari)
There are many more examples of poetry in Islam. So Please lets not all become mullahs and start passing fatwas without research. And above all; lets not extrapolate the Quran!

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Kia Kaheen Quran main likha hai kay bargahon pay hazri deni chahyay. Again wasting of Time.

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:) with all due respect; its not as simplistic as that. Quran ke saath eik adad nabi bhi bheja gaya tha. We should consider him and what he said before getting trigger happy with our fatwas.

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What you want to show Mufti e Azam. Try to understand what I said mufti e Azam.

Excuse me quran didn't mention those persons.

I used Jaisa main nay samjha hai.

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I apologize if I misunderstood. Please tell me what I misunderstood.

Thats the whole problem.