Muharram Myths

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some hadiths related to mourning
more recently even shias do have fatwas prohibiting some types of mourning (shedding blood) but they ignore them because it is also a celebration of the different religion they offer

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In Sahih bukhari:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar : Sad bin 'Ubada became sick and the Prophet along with 'Abdur Rahman bin 'Auf, Sad bin Abi Waqqas and 'Abdullah bin Masud visited him to enquire about his health. When he came to him, he found him surrounded by his household and he asked, "Has he died?" They said, "No, O Allah's Apostle." The Prophet wept and when the people saw the weeping of Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) they all wept. He said, "Will you listen? Allah does not punish for shedding tears, nor for the grief of the heart but he punishes or bestows His Mercy because of this." He pointed to his tongue and added, "The deceased is punished for the wailing of his relatives over him."

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah Allah's Apostle used to shroud two martyrs of Uhud in one sheet and then say, "Which of them knew Quran more?" When one of the two was pointed out, he would put him first in the grave. Then he said, "I will be a witness for them on the Day of Resurrection." He ordered them to be buried with their blood (on their bodies). Neither was the funeral prayer offered for them, nor were they washed. Jabir added, "When my father was martyred, I started weeping and uncovering his face. The companions of the Prophet stopped me from doing so but the Prophet did not stop me. Then the Prophet said, '(O Jabir.) don't weep over him, for the angels kept on covering him with their wings till his body was carried away (for burial)."

Narrated Abu Burda:
That his father said, "When Umar was stabbed, Suhaib started crying: O my brother! 'Umar said, 'Don't you know that the Prophet said: The deceased is tortured for the wailing/weeping of the living'?"

in Sahih Bukhari:
(the wife of the Prophet) Once Allah's Apostle passed by (the grave of) a Jewess whose relatives were weeping over her. He said, "They are weeping over her and she is being tortured in her grave."

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the shia do know all this, and they still do it to celebrate their shiism. not to worry however, hussain radiallahu anhu is, inshallah, not being tortured because of them:

"As for those who have created schisms in their order, and formed different sects, you have no concern with them. Their affair is with God. He will tell them the truth of what they were doing." [6:159]

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Although weddings are not prohibited in the month of Muharram, I think that just out of respect for our Shia borthers, we should avoid that practice. When Muslims of India can refrain from slaughtering cows to respect their fellow Hindu countrymen (I know its also against the law there), cant we not get married in that month for our fellow Muslim brother?

And btw, would you get married on the death anniversary of your dad or mom? I am sure not. So why cant we respect Hazrat Husain's (RA) day of shahadat?

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Problem is this. Sunnis follow thei four imams and Shias follow the holy family of Prophet Mohammed pbuh. We get our religions from infallible Imams so don't worry about us thank u

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TLK bhai, it always start with a bit of respect and participation. I have no problem in their practice nor do have I any right to criticize them but I can't become part of any idea, in the name of global brotherhood even for a second, that is false in my belief.. the problem is that the concept started with 'Marriage' and kept widening to the extent that a couple of days ago, my mom (among the sunnis who can easily get superstitious) was convinced by someone that I (her son) should not buy a car in this month that I (being new to this country) desperately needed not only for my personal and family use but also to fulfill other duties that being Muslim should be part of my duty towards the society and Islam. I don't consider fulfilling a basic need to be something that shows celebration or sign of happiness, but it definitely is branch of the same concept. You introduce such a concept and your children would take a step ahead of you to oblige such acts.

Believe me, there are so many such things, when introduced, you feel it is ok to also practice it out of respect of the people who practice it, but suddenly you would realize after sometime that your coming generation has gone too far more distance in following your footsteps and obliging them. Our forefathers showed a bit of so called 'respect' to the Hindu culture/religious occasions, with also a bit of mental/physical participation and today our Muslim brothers and sisters get offended if they are told the truth about 'Rasm-e-hina', and other things that were never practiced or encouraged by the Prophet (saw) or Suhabas or Tabaieens.

Not to take it too far, but only another example of our overly emotional subcontinent people is that the (false) additional so called 'respect'/status/degree one scholar gave to the Prophet (saw) more than 100 years ago, and some people immediately 'respected' this 'emotional concept' by also participating in their 'emotional' occasions, their coming generations today has extended the 'respect' of their forefathers for the Prophet Muhammad (saw) along the same line of thinking, similar to how Christians today think about Prophet Isa (a.s) in terms of his relationship with Allah (swt).

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If you want to prove anyone wrong in any discussion. Just relate yourself and your concepts to the Holy family of the Holy Prophet (saw) and there can't be a better way to give a "shut up call" to the Muslim who doesn't agree to a certain self made idea in a certain department of Islam.

Hazrat Imam Hussain (r.a)'s Shahdaah and the Incident of Karbala is the greatest sacrifice of one of the greatest Muslims of all times that it deserves more TIME to follow (not only mourn) his and his family's sacrifices than to only mourn it during ONLY Muharram, and then go back to the same routine in the rest of one's life, is not justified. Every year, every month, every week, every day, every hour, every second of one's life one should remember and relate to one of the greatest achievements of the great Imam (r.a) and follow his footsteps in every field of one's life. That is what Imam Hussain (r.a) himself did. He followed every step of the Prophet (saw) in every field of life and never mourned over any incident of the past just like the Prophet (saw) himself did throughout his life.

Btw, Islam only appreciates 'following' of Allah (swt) and the Prophet (saw) not the blood relations with the Prophet (saw). Abu Lahab had a close blood relation with the Prophet (saw) and was a SYED, while Bilal (r.a) had no blood link with the Prophet (saw). I don't have to tell you who is in the lowest degree of hell and who is in the highest degree of Jannah. We all know what happened to the wife of Prophet Lot (a.s), son of Prophet Nooh (a.s), father of Prophet Ibrahim (a.s).....etc.

Being only Syed (Just like Abu Lahab) doesn't take you to the highest degrees of Heaven, but being the best follower of Allah (swt) and the Prophet (saw) does, (Just like Imam Hussain (r.a)

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If Allah (swt) had ever allowed mourning, the first person ever that HE would have allowed mankind to mourn for would have been PROPHET MUHAMMAD (saw) for his 'greatest ever' sacrifices/pains in the way of Islam. And after him, the next person in Islam whose sacrifices/pain would have been worth mourning would have been Imam Hussain (r.a) and his family.

I am sure that Imam Hussain (r.a) would himself agree that if mourning was a good act than all his own and his family's sacrifices/pains in the way of Islam all together doesn't deserve more mourning than only the sacrifices/pains of the greatest person ever to have lived on earth in flesh and blood. i.e. Prophet Muhammad (May peace and blessings of Allah (swt) be upon him). Because Imam Hussain (r.a) didn't have to go through even once the overall amount of hunger, tears, disrespect, mental and physical pain in the way of Islam that the Prophet (saw) had to go through every single day of his life. Which we unfortunately don't know because of our lack of studies/knowledge about the life of Prophet Muhammad (saw).

And I am also 100% sure that Hazrat Ali (r.a), Hazrat Imam hassan (r.a), all the Prophets, all the Angels, all the Jins, all the creations of Allah (swt) would also agree to this fact.

All the seas of the universe were not enough to be used as ink for introducing and praising the MIGHTLY of ALL, ALLAH (swt), thus Allah (swt) was introduced and praised through the most sacred ink of all, i.e. the blood and tears of the Prophet (saw), every drop of whose blood and tear is more sacred than the whole universe.

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Its not about 'good' or 'bad' act, its about 'reaction' over a tragedy, thats it.

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I am sure that Imam Hussain (r.a) would himself agree that if mourning was a good act than all his own and his family's sacrifices/pains in the way of Islam all together doesn't deserve more mourning than only the sacrifices/pains of the greatest person ever to have lived on earth in flesh and blood. i.e. Prophet Muhammad (May peace and blessings of Allah (swt) be upon him). Because Imam Hussain (r.a) didn't have to go through even once the overall amount of hunger, tears, disrespect, mental and physical pain in the way of Islam that the Prophet (saw) had to go through every single day of his life. Which we unfortunately don't know because of our lack of studies/knowledge about the life of Prophet Muhammad (saw)
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Again your prespective is wrong, no doubt prophet had to face a lot of difficulties and hardships, but were those of such a nature that he mourn over those tragedies or even shed a tear for those? The answer is 'No'. On the contrary, Prophet (s) shed tears whenever he received Wahi that Hussain and his companions will be killed. Thus, the martyrdom of Hussain bin Ali has some speciality in the eyes of Allah that is why he kept sending wahi to Prophet informing him of the incident and Prophet kept sheding tears over the same.

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All the seas of the universe were not enough to be used as ink for introducing and praising the MIGHTLY of ALL, ALLAH (swt), thus Allah (swt) was introduced and praised through the most sacred ink of all, i.e. the blood and tears of the Prophet (saw), every drop of whose blood and tear is more sacred than the whole universe.
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And I am also 100% sure that Hazrat Ali (r.a), Hazrat Imam hassan (r.a), all the Prophets, all the Angels, all the Jins, all the creations of Allah (swt) would also agree to this fact.
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Nop, Hazrat Ali himself shed his tears over the very spot when he was pissing through it as he had come to know that Hussain will be killed on that place. As for Jins and Angels, they themsevles mourned and are still mourning for Hussain. Thus your every attempt to dilute the tragedy of Karbala via game of words has not really been fruitful as I see.

The blood flowing into the veins of Hussain was non other than of Prophet himself btw.

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EDITED: Lets rest it here. This isn't going to end anywhere. It didn't for more than a thousand years...

Request to all to just pray that may Allah (swt) forgive our mistakes and we all be guided to the right path. From now onwards, I won't say anything and would request others to also not counter argue.. Otherwise, this thread would also be locked like thousands of others.

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The way I see it is does this act of mourning that you see in the streets earn any sawab at all? The answer is no. At the end of the day I wouldn't stop anyone from doing what they think is right, but I wouldn't let anyone stop me from buying a car, house or marrying in Muharram because it has no basis in Islam.

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Hey, as long as you don't plan the wedding within the first 10 days of Muharram, it's all good. I wouldn't attend due to my kattar-ness but I'd congratulate you.

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I wouldn't do it on purpose but if circumstances are such that it is a convenient time, I would. Also I wouldn't need any bookings :P. I want to do it in Ramadan though.

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Shias are as muslim as any other sect of islam.

Abu Hanifa was not a prophet so we have no religious obligation to believe in everything he says!!

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But then everybody will have bad breath.

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^Lol .. Thats good, maybe it will prevent people from backbitting that way :p

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Brother BOY-NICE Please correct the typo it doesn't sound nice.

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Doesn't have to be while you're fasting :p You could have Iftar as the wedding dinner.

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I would certainly have if the edit option was still there. Anyhow, I was actually expecting a reply to the content of my post and not the pointation of a typo.