Furthermore, just for the record, here more of the imposters who claimed Prophethood after Muhammed PBUH:
Saleh bin Tarif Burghwati - Claimed Mahdihood and Prophethood and successfully ruled over his followers for 47 years. Later, he advocated his throne in favor of his son.
Mirza Ali Muhammad Bab - Claimed to be Mahdi. His movement is still alive and has split off into Babism and Bahaism. They no longer claim to be Muslims.
Hussain Ali Bahaullah - Claimed to be the Promised One (Messiah) of every religion and a prophet. His followers no longer claim to be Muslims.
Mahdi Sudani - Claimed to be Mahdi and began a successful movement to fight the British colonialists.
Dr. Alexander Dowie, USA - During the life time of Mirza Ghulam and appropriating the second double eclipse we previously mentioned, he claimed to be the Promised Messiah.
Mirza Ghulam Ahmed - Claimed to be the Messiah, then Mehdi, then Prophet and then Lord. The following stil falsely maintain they are Muslims even today.
It must also be noted that each one of the above used the double eclipses as a sign for their Prophethood.
Anyone kind enough to answer few of my questions??
If Jesus has died in Kashmir, then where is the Mahdi? As I understand, both of them will be coming almost at the same time (approaching judgment day). Another thing, does anyone from Kashmir have Original Injeel Of Prophet Isa and Taurath of Prophet Musa ? Babar123, in the article I read something about Ahmaddiyah. Do they believe in Al-Quran of Prophet Muhammad or following teaching of Injeel of Isa Al-Masih or …? I don’t know much about the teaching of Ahmadiyyah….
"the vast majority of the Ulema and Pirs still believe Jesus Christ to be alive in heaven with his physical body, to come again to the earth to save Islam and the Muslims. "
You know something. I always thought Isa Al-Masih will come to earth to represent the Christians and Jews that will be living in the Kingdom Of Al-Mahdi and Al-Mahdi will be the leader of the Whole Kingdom of Allah on Earth.
Why does it say Jesus will be coming to save Islam and Muslim ? What is the association between Islam,Muslim with Jesus?
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I, as a Muslim strongly believe that Injeel mention in Al-Quran is not the same as the one(bible) used by the Christian of today. Better ?
and then you state:
Why does it say Jesus will be coming to save Islam and Muslim ? What is the association between Islam,Muslim with Jesus?
Can u elaborate further on your understanding of Jesus's relationship with Islam.
The Qur'aan clearly mentions:
061.006 And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the apostle of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of an Apostle to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad." But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, "this is evident sorcery!"
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Originally posted by babar123: See the Article of **Indian Express.
Another Broken Part of Cross:
Why the Pope must stop by at Kashmir
MUZAMIL JALEEL
SRINAGAR, NOV 7: Why should Pope John Paul II visit Kashmir? Because there is a belief that Jesus Christ survived the crucification, escaped to Kashmir, lived and died here and is buried in Srinagar.
The place in the heart of downtown city at Khanyar locality called Rouzabal is where Christ breathed his last, goes the theory. The theory, that was first put forth by the founder of the Ahmadiyas -- Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani and later by a journalist-scholar, Aziz Kashmiri who wrote Christ in Kashmir on the basis of his fifty years of research, has also been backed by a German scholar, Andreas Faber-Kaiser in Jesus died in Kashmir.
The local Muslim population believes that Yuz Asif' is buried in Rouzabal mausoleum. According to 81-year-old Aziz Kashmiri, Yuz is the short form of Yuzu, the Arabic name for Jesus and Asif is a Hebrew word meaningthe gatherer'. Quoting historians like Dr Herman Oldenburg, H W Bellow (Kashmir and Kashghar), James Milne (The Road to Kashmir) he says Kashmiris are one amongthe ten lost tribes of Israel that were forced to migrate from their homeland by Sargon II in 721 BC. And if one believes Andreas Faber Kaiser, Mirza Qadiyani or Aziz Kashmiri, Jesus had actually been unconscious when he was brought down from the cross'' as the following day was Sabbath day.All Gospels are unanimous that Jesus was taken down from the cross at 9th hour as the following day was Sabbath day and bodies ought not to remain upon the cross,'' Kashmiri said quoting St Johan.
According to this theory, an ointment, still known asMarham-e-Issa'' (Ointment of Jesus), was applied to his wounds which got healed. Then Jesus moved to the East with his mother, Mary, and his beloved disciple Thomas. They crossed Iran, passed through Afghanistan and finally reached Kashmir. Mary died on the way to Kashmir at a place in Pakistan called `Muree' which got its name from Mary.''
The belief is that Jesus began a new life in Kashmir and even married. There is no information about Jesus from 13 yearstill when he was 29 years old,'' said Aziz Kashmiri. Quoting from Life of Saint Jesus, by Russian traveller, Nicolai Norovich who visited Kashmir in 1887, Kashmiri said while exploring Ladakh, the traveller saw scrolls in Pali which included a biography of Jesus.The scrolls revealed that Jesus was born in Israel and when he was 13 years old, disappeared from his parents' house. Leaving Jerusalem, he travelled to Sindh and reached here,'' he said.
Aziz Kashmiri also refers to a Sanskrit epic to further support the theory Bavishya Mahapurana' written in 115 AD by Mahareshi Vedvyas. Quoting the Purana, he said,Once Raja Shalewahin visited the mountains in Kashmir in 78 AD. The king came across a saint of white complexion in white robes. When the king asked him who he was, the saint replied,Know me as the son of God, born to a virgin. I am a preacher and a follower of true principles.'' When the King asked him what was his religion, the saint said,`Raja on the disappearance of truth anddestruction of traditions, I appeared there and through my work, the wicked and the guilty suffered, and in turn, I also suffered in their hands.''
According to this Purana, Aziz Kashmiri said that King Shalewahin again requested the saint to reveal his identity and religion, to which the latter replied, My religion is love and truth and my name isIssa-Masseh'' or Jesus Christ'.
Kashmiri, who has published a book, Christ in Kashmir, has also worked on the origin of Kashmiri language and believes that it has been derived from Hebrew. In his book, he gives a full list of Hebrew words that are also used in Kashmiri. To support his thesis, Aziz Kashmiri lists names of villages and towns besides several local castes that could be found in the Bible as well.
``Christ had gone out to gather these lost tribes thus the name - Yuz Asif or Jesus the gatherer,'' Aziz Kashmiri said.
As we know that Jesus (Huzrat Isa) came down on Children of Israel as a prophet. He served Allah as other prophets did before him (Jesus). He came with a mission from Allah to tell the Children of Israel what they were doing wrong. Before he was going to get caught by the Government, he Neal down and prayed to Allah where he used the word “Abba” meaning Father and asked for help. The miracles he did with the help of Allah to prove that his message is from Allah and then when his life was taken (which Christians believe) and that the believe we have as Muslims that he will come back is very easy to understand.
Now if you notice all the miracles in Jesus Prophecy which is impossible to even think of a logical facts then when the faces changed and the wrong person was put on the cross and when Jesus’ true mother stands in front of him, he calls her “woman”. How can a child call his/her mum “woman” at the time when he/she knows he/she is dying.
So it is another miracle that the real Jesus was taken up. Now if he came as a prophet before Mohammed (SAW) and we as Muslims believe that the last and complete Islam was brought by him (Mohammed SAW) then, Jesus will be coming back with nothing new but the correction of the things which will be wrong in the world at that time as he was born first time. If you look in Quran, it is openly said that Jesus came with the correction of the wrong doing in Israel.
And the time Jesus will come back is when every one will forget what Islam means. We (as people at that time) will be bowing (not literally) in front of Satan and people will need to remind that real Allah and the reason we are here for.
As far as the question of Insaaniat is concern, it is not up to us to find the answer but the one who is given the life and takes it away from this world will give the magic in the words of Jesus which will make the difference. I will like to remind you that when Hazrat Omar was going to see Mohammed (SAW) to take the revenge of his sister who changed her religion and when he heard his sister reading Quran, he changed from Kafir to Muslim. It was the power in the world of Quran and Prayers of Mohammed (SAW) which helped him to see the real Islam (way of life). So I am sure Allah will help Jesus to show us the real sense of life.
"wrong person was put on the cross and when Jesus’ true mother stands in front of him, he calls her “woman”. How can a child call his/her mum “woman” at the time when he/she knows he/she is dying."
**My Answer:
"Wrong person was put on the cross" is a story which is not mention in Quran, Hadith and even in Engeal.
I ask you to show where is written in Quran, any authentic Hadith or in Engeal that "wrong person was put on the cross."
I can admit that it may be mentioned in Engeal that at that Time Jesus called his mother as woman.
But he also had called his mother as "woman" at other time when in his childhood, he was sitting in HAKEL along with other relegious scholars which is also mentioned in Engeal.
Also if the man on the cross was a wrong person, then why (according to Engeal)he was calling his God. Following were his words when he was on cross:
"O my God..O my God...Why have you left me??"
Therefore the theory that the person on the cross was a wrong person is totally a wrong story.
It has no base in Quran, Hadith or Bible.
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Following are your words:
"So it is another miracle that the real Jesus was taken up. Now if he came as a prophet before Mohammed (SAW) and we as Muslims believe that the last and complete Islam was brought by him (Mohammed SAW) then, Jesus will be coming back with nothing new but the correction of the things which will be wrong in the world at that time as he was born first time. If you look in Quran, it is openly said that Jesus came with the correction of the wrong doing in Israel."
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You have presented your ideas in good way but let me tell you that According to Quran and Hadith, Hazrat Isa was not taken up (alive towards heavens).
Quran does not uses the word "heavens".
Quran's wording tell us that Hazrat Isa was taken up towards Allah.
In our opinion, physically moving towards Allah is not possible. Therefore we have to take its spiritual meanings.
According to spiritual meanings, Hazrat Isa's status was raised in Eyes of Allah.
In Urdu we mean:
"Darajaat Kee Bullandi".
These meaning are not unique. this Arabi wording always have meaning "darajaat kee Bullandi" as suggested by other ayets of Quran and several Ahadith.
Mr.
This is what we say that Promissed Masih who was to come HAS COME. His name is Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmed. He has come with nothing new BUT ONLY FOR THE CORRECTIONS IN MUSLIM UMMAH.
You must note that according to Quran OLD HAZRAT ISA CANNOT COME FOR THE CORRECTIONS OF MUSLIM UMMAH.
The fact is quite clear:
Quran says that Hazrat Isa is Messanger towards BANI ISRAEL.
Suppose that OLD Hazrat Isa again come then HE SHALL NOT DO ANY CORRECTIONS FOR MUSLIM UMMAH.
Why......???????
Because Quran will be still saying that "HAZRAT ISA IS MESSANGER TOWARDS BANI ISRAEL."
Shall Hazrat Isa will work against Quran???
Or Quran will be changed and will start saying that "Hzarat Isa is Messanger towards MUSLIM UMMAH."....???????????????
The belief that Hazrat Isa is still alive in the Heavens is a wrong Belief.
It has no base in Quran and Hadith.
This Belief has no PLUS POINT for Muslims.
It is only and only chriestians who can drive any benefit out of this false belief.
It is due to this belief that chriestian think that Jesus is better than our Holy Prophet(pbuh).
It is due to this false belief that Chriestians believe that Jesus is son of God.
It is due to this false belief that chriestians believe that Jesus is One of Three gods.
For Muslims, there is no benefit in this false belief.
The end of this false belief is the END OF CHRIESTAIANITY.
So if Quran and Hadith tell us that Hazrat Isa has died (I shall prove in my following posts that according to Quran and Hadith, Hazrat Isa has died.), then we must believe that Hazrat Isa infact has died.
Because the death of Hazrat Isa is the death of Chriestianity.
And
The death of Hazrat Isa is the LIFE OF ISLAM.
read what the Christians themselves think of the ascension of Jesus, alive and with his physical body, to heaven. St. Paul, founder of the present-day Christianity, said: 'If Christ be not risen, then is our preaching meaningless, and your faith meaningless. Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ; whom He raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not É and if Christ be not raised your faith is in vain' (I. Corinthians 15: 14- 17) .
In modern times, Sir Norman Anderson O.B.E., former Professor of Oriental Law and Director of the Institute of Advanced Legal Studies of the University of London, has said in 1977 in his booklet The Evidence for the Resurrection: 'If Christ be not risen then the whole of Christianity is a fraud, foisted on the world by a company of consummate liars or at best deluded simpletons' (p. 1).
Therefore let Hazrat Isa died because his death is the death of chriestianity and is the Life of Islam.
Quran and the possibility of any prophet or any person to live on the Heavens:
The Holy Qur'an
To the Muslims, to whom this book is primarily addressed, Jesus Christ was a man, although a very venerable prophet of Allah. Following is shown that all men and all prophets are destined to live and die in this world is clear from the following verses, among many, of the Holy Qur'an:
**'Therein (i.e., the earth) shall you live, and therein you shall die, and therefrom shall you be raised' (7:25).
'From it (i.e., the earth) We created you, and into it We shall return you, and from it raise you a second time' (20:55).
'And we granted abiding forever (khuld) to no mortal before you (O Muhammad). If you die, will they abide?' (21:34).
'They (the prophets) did not abide forever' (21:8).**
The Arabic word which we have translated as 'abiding forever' is thulud, which means 'to be immune from decay and to endure in an unchanging condition,' or, 'to persist in one condition' not being subject to change, (Raghib, pp. 153-154).
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“If Jesus has died in Kashmir, then where is the Mahdi? As I understand, both of them will be coming almost at the same time (approaching judgment day).”
Yes Jesus has died in Kashmir. The meaning that Jesus shall come again does not mean that the same Jesus shall come who came 2000 years before,
Its true meaning is that another prophet shall come who shall be similar to various charactristics with old Jesus so that he shall be given the name of “jesus”.
There is proof to this theory in Ahadith of Sahi Bukhari and Bible:
I am giving here only the proof of sahi Bukhari ahadith:
Please carefully read the following two Ahadith of same book i.e, Sahi-Bukhari
Sahih Al-Bukhari HadithHadith 4.648 Narrated by Ibn Umar
The Prophet said, “I saw Moses, Jesus and Abraham (on the night of my Ascension to the heavens). Jesus was of red complexion, curly hair and a broad chest. Moses was of brown complexion, straight hair and tall stature as if he was from the people of Az-Zutt.”
Sahih Al-Bukhari HadithHadith 4.649 Narrated by Abdullah
The Prophet mentioned the Massiah Ad-Dajjal in front of the people saying, -Allah is not one eyed while Messiah, Ad-Dajjal is blind in the right eye and his eye looks like a bulging out grape. While sleeping near the Ka’ba last night, I saw in my dream a man of brown color the best one can see amongst brown color and his hair was long that it fell between his shoulders. His hair was lank and water was dribbling from his head and he was placing his hands on the shoulders of two men while circumambulating the Kaba. I asked, ‘Who is this?’ They replied, ‘This is Jesus, son of Mary.’ Behind him I saw a man who had very curly hair and was blind in the right eye, resembling Ibn Qatan (i.e. an infidel) in appearance. He was placing his hands on the shoulders of a person while performing Tawaf around the Ka’ba. I asked, ‘Who is this?’ They replied, 'The Masih, Ad-Dajjal.’ "
In first hadith, Holy Prophet(pbuh) has seen Hazrat Isa with Hazrat Musa. So this Hazrat Isa is the one who had already come in the Ummah of Hazrat Musa.
In second Hadith, Holy Prophet(pbuh) has seen Hazrat Isa along with Masih-al-Dajjal, so it is That Hazrat Isa who shall come in Muslim Ummah in the period of Masih-al-Dajjal.
See the difference in the appearances of BOTH Hazrat Isa’s.
Appearance of Hazrat Isa who came in the Ummah of Hazrat Musa: “Jesus was of red complexion, curly hair and a broad chest.”
Appearance of that Hazrat Isa who shall come in Muslim Ummah:
“a man of brown color the best one can see amongst brown color and his hair was long that it fell between his shoulders. His hair was lank and water was dribbling from his head.”
You have seen that there is clear difference in the appearances of BOTH Hazrat Isa’s.
This is the Clear Proof that Jesus who is to come in Muslim Ummah is NOT the old Jesus but is a DIFFERENT person.
The second Part of your first Question:
Where is Mehdi??
**My Answer:
According to Hadith of Ibn-e-Maaja, which states that:
“No Mehdi is except Masih.”
Mehdi is the same person as the Promissed Masih.
And that Promissed Masih is Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Sahib…
And according to the Hadith of Ibn-e-Maaja, he is Imam Mehdi also.**
Your second question:
Another thing, does anyone from Kashmir have Original Injeel Of Prophet Isa and Taurath of Prophet Musa ? Babar123, in the article I read something about Ahmaddiyah. Do they believe in Al-Quran of Prophet Muhammad or following teaching of Injeel of Isa Al-Masih or …? I don’t know much about the teaching of Ahmadiyyah….
**My Answer:
Yes
It is proved that people living in Kashmir and Afghanistan are mostly “BANI ISRAEELIES”.
Yus Asif, you already have seen that it is the Kashmiry name for Jesus.
Ancient book of Yus asif is still available in India. the name of this book is ‘Albushra’.
The meaning of “Albushra” is the same as the meaning of “Engeal” i.e, “Good News”.
This book i.e, “Albushra” contains almost the same teaching as Engeal contains. with some differences ofcourse.
You must note that there is not one Engeal of Chriestians. Total number of Engeals is about 60, out of which only 4 are considered true by Catholics.
There is description available in “Islamic Literature” that people of kashmir were Chriestians before they accepted Islam. It is described in an Islamic Book (If you ask, then I shall give you the reference of this book also) that when people of Kashmir heard about Hazrat Muhammad (pbuh), they conducted a meeting of their relegious scholars and decided to send a person to know about the exact situation BECAUSE ACCORDING TO THEIR BOOKS they were waiting for a prophet whose name will be Muhammad(pbuh).
And in this way they all converted to Muslims.
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You have presented the following snnipet from the website.
the vast majority of the Ulema and Pirs still believe Jesus Christ to be alive in heaven with his physical body, to come again to the earth to save Islam and the Muslims. "
**My Answer:
Yes it is true. Majority still think that Hazrat Isa is still alive in Heavens.
But there always has been Enlightened Muslim Scholars who believe that Hazrat Isa has died.
Consider the following:
Hazrat Imam Malik also believed that Jesus was dead (Majma’ al-Bihar al-Anwar, Vol. 1, p. 286). Imam Ibn Hazm too believed in the death of Jesus (Jalalain ma’a Kamalain, p. 109). And so on.
In modern times, Sir Sayyid Ahmad Khan pronounced that Jesus Christ was not alive but dead.
And although the Ulema continued to oppose the only interpretation possible, which Hazrat Mirza Sahib put on it, better sense is now beginning to prevail. Maulana Abul Ala Maudoodi, the founder of the Jamaat-e-Islami, in his commentary on the Holy Qur’an called Tafhim-ul-Qur’an, has half-heartedly conceded under the verse in question (4:57) that it does not make it clear that Jesus Christ rose to heaven with his earthly body.
Another Muslim commentator on the Holy Qur’an, Muhammad Asad, in The Message of the Qur’an, in his footnote 17 under the verse 4:57, rejects the theory of the bodily ascension of Jesus.
In the world-famous Al-Azhar University of Cairo (Egypt), the Senior Professor Shaikh Mahmud Shaltut, who later became the Rector of the University, gave the following fatwa (ruling) on a reference made on the question of the death of Jesus Christ to the Senate of the University. After a learned and comprehensive discussion, the learned authority concluded:
‘To sum up, there is nothing in the Holy Qur’an, nor in the sacred traditions of the Holy Prophet, which endorses the belief, to the satisfaction of one’s heart, that Jesus was taken up to heaven with his physical body and is alive there even now, and would descend therefrom in the latter days’ (Al-Risalah of Cairo, Vol. 10, No. 462, p. 515).
In a recent issue of The Muslim World League Journal (October 1981), monthly organ of the Rabita al-Islami (published from Makka, Saudi Arabia), near the close of an article entitled ‘Jesus in the Scriptures as Seen by Muslims,’ the author, Shaikh Zakariya Idrees Oseni of Nigeria, writes:
‘Whatever be the case, the Islamic belief is that Jesus died a natural death after God had saved him from crucifixion. The stories of his ascension after he had been saved from crucifixion, which we find in some Arabic books, are obviously taken from Christian sources and should not be taken very seriously by Muslims with discerning minds.’
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Following are your words:
"I am a bit confused by your statement. Mirza Sahib(Teacher of Ahmadiyyah)… is Jesus? "
**My Answer:
Hazrat Mirza Sahib is not exactly that Jesus who came about 2000 years ago.
Hazrat Mirza sahib is the Promissed Masih who has come for the guidance of Muslim Ummah according to the foretolds of Hazrat Muhammad (pbuh).
According to Hadith of “Ibn-e-Maaja”, he is Imam Mehdi also.
**
Following are your words:
“Why does it say Jesus will be coming to save Islam and Muslim ? What is the association between Islam,Muslim with Jesus?”
**My answer:
True situation is not that the old Jesus shall come to save Islam and Muslims.
Old Jesus according to Quran is Messanger only for Bani-israels. So he cannot be messanger of Muslims.
Your following is very important question:
“What is the association between Islam,Muslim with Jesus?”
Islam and muslims, do not have any association with old Jesus other than that Old jesus had predicted about our Holy Prophet.
However there is another TYPE of association.
According to Bible, Allah shall send a prophet who shall resembles to Hazrat Musa.
According to Quran Hazrat Muhammad (pbuh) resembles to Hazrat Musa.
A “Masih” came in the Ummah of Hazrat Musa i.e, Jesus.
Since Hazrat Muhammad(pbuh) and his Ummah resembles to that of Hazrat Musa and his Ummah. So according to Ahadith, a Masih also shall come for Muslim Ummah.
This Masih shall not be the old Jesus but he will resembles to old Jesus. He is called the promissed Masih.
Now that Promissed Masih have come.
He is Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Sahib.
What is even more worrying is the fact that the Messiahood of Jesus is given to a person who openly:
LIED
GAVE FALSE PROPHECIES
SLANDERED JESUS
SLANDERED MARY
SLANDERED THE SAHAABA
SLANDERED MUHAMMAD PBUH
INSULTED THE MUSLIMS
DIED IN THE TOILET, AND ABOVE ALL
WAS THE GREATEST FAN AND SLAVE OF THE KUFAR.
I have given numerous evidences of the persons own writings, confirming the above, but still some people tend to disbelieve.
Mirza Ghulam does not fit one Prophecy according to authentic A'Hadeeth.
Actually he does. The A'Hadeeth of the false prophets to come.
Furthermore, if Allah can create humans witout biological parents, then surely Allah can take a Human body in it's physical form up to the Heavens. Anything is POSSIBLE with Allah.
I'd rather wait and see if Jesus returns, rather than accept a Britsh Lapdog as a Messiah.
Islam and muslims, do not have any association with old Jesus other than that Old jesus had predicted about our Holy Prophet.
Please stop talking rubbish and misguiding people.
The old Jesus has a very lot to do with Muslims and not as you have incorrectly stated.
The fact is that it is an Article of Faith for all Muslims to accept all the Messengers that came before Muhammad PBUH, as confirmed in the Qur'aan:
002.004 And who believe in the Revelation sent to thee, and sent before thy time, and (in their hearts) have the assurance of the Hereafter.
002.005 They are on (true) guidance, from their Lord, and it is these who will prosper.
004.152 To those who believe in Allah and His apostles and make no distinction between any of the apostles, we shall soon give their (due) rewards: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
Finally, the Qur'aan has confirmed that you are a Kafir, and you have also confirmed this with the comments you keep making.
Here is the proof:
004.150 Those who deny Allah and His apostles, and (those who) wish to separate
Allah from His apostles, saying: "We believe in some but reject others": And (those
who) wish to take a course midway,-
004.151 They are in truth (equally) unbelievers; and we have prepared for unbelievers a humiliating punishment.
You have stated time and time again that you do not accept the first Jesus, as he was an alcoholic and only for the Christians etc etc.
Your all believe that Hazrat Isa will arrive from sky at the time of Hazrat Massih. Please answer me one question. He was (in your believe) was taken to heaven from cross. His status was that he was ** PROPHET and MESSANGER *. Now please tell me if he was * PROPHET and MESSANGER, will He come as PROPHET and MESSANGER or something else?? **
043.061 And (Jesus) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Judgment): therefore have no doubt about the (Hour), but follow ye Me: this is a Straight Way.
The above confirms from the Qur'aan that Jesus will return.
Secondly, according to Authentic A'Hadeeth - Sahih Al Bukhari vol 4, p 36, no 657, and p 437, no 658 also confirm the return of Jesus.
Here you have both the Qur'aan and authentic A'Hadeeth confirming Jesus's return.
Jesus will return as an Imaam and not Prophet as you were hoping to hear. This is turn has also nullified your Mirza's claim of Prophethood amongst numerous other facts, which have been divulged to you time and time again.
1) imam mehdi(as) is going to come when there will be injustice and islam will just be a name...he will come and correct everything, set everything to what it was before
mirza is dead...there are still muslims that don't even the kalimah, therefore islam is becoming a name...what did he correct?
From Sahih Bukhari shareef
I heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) say about 'Ali as he left behind hrin in one of his campaigns (that was Tabuk). 'Ali said to him: Allah's Messenger, you leave me behind along with women and children. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said to him: Aren't you satisfied with being unto me what Aaron was unto Moses but with this exception that there is no prophethood after me.
i'm not making this into a sunni/shia post...but my point is proven when prophet muhammad(saw) says that there will be no prophet after me
"There as many ideas in the minds of men and women as there are stars in the sky, it is your job to hold on to one and make it come true"
Anonymous
From my understanding Bible use by the Christians of today is not the word of God as claim by them (Christian). There are numerous proof why Bible can’t be consider “The Injeel” sent to Prophet Isa Al-Masih. Read - Ahmad Deedat http://www.jamaat.net/bible/Bible1-3.html
For the second part, I believe that Isa Al-Masih and Al-Mahdi will make re-appearance as mentioned in the traditions. The only doubt I have is I don’t understand why people say that Isa will establish Islam and the Kingdom of Allah. He might have some important role to play in this whole-matter (namely defeating antichrist) but I believe establishing the Kingdom of Allah is the job for Al-Mahdi. Someone posted a hadith in which, it is mentioned about Isa praying behind Al-Mahdi.
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Originally posted by babar123:
**Mr.mbmagsi,Following are your words:
"wrong person was put on the cross and when Jesus’ true mother stands in front of him, he calls her “woman”. How can a child call his/her mum “woman” at the time when he/she knows he/she is dying."
My Answer:
I can admit that it may be mentioned in Engeal that at that Time Jesus called his mother as woman. But he also had called his mother as "woman" at other time when in his childhood, he was sitting in HAKEL along with other relegious scholars which is also mentioned in Engeal.
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So you are saying that Jesus was the person on the cross. You admit that he (Jesus) have been dis-respectful before and was actually rude to his mother when he was on the cross? Did I get this right?
Let me ask you, do any Christian accept the Tomb of Jesus (in Kashmir)?
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Originally posted by babar123:
** And although the Ulema continued to oppose the only interpretation possible, which Hazrat Mirza Sahib put on it, better sense is now beginning to prevail. Maulana Abul Ala Maudoodi, the founder of the Jamaat-e-Islami, in his commentary on the Holy Qur'an called Tafhim-ul-Qur'an, has half-heartedly conceded under the verse in question (4:57) that it does not make it clear that Jesus Christ rose to heaven with his earthly body.
Another Muslim commentator on the Holy Qur'an, Muhammad Asad, in The Message of the Qur'an, in his footnote 17 under the verse 4:57, rejects the theory of the bodily ascension of Jesus. **
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I wish to ask you 2 question regarding this 2 statement quoted by you :
that it does not make it clear that Jesus Christ rose to heaven with his earthly body.
rejects the theory of the bodily ascension of Jesus
1) What is your opinion regarding Prophet (saw) Ascension to heavens( Israk Meeraj), quoted by you from Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 4.648 Narrated by Ibn Umar. Prophet (saw) travel until Bait-ul-Muqaddis, and from there till 7th heaven, paradise, hell and met some of the prophets (according to traditions).
2) Why is it not possible for Isa to be bodily raised to heaven??
[This message has been edited by babydoll (edited July 06, 2001).]
[This message has been edited by babydoll (edited July 06, 2001).]
Okay okay.... lets not fight about it... Come on, we seem to agree on
1) Huzrat Isa (Jesus) is not with us
2) Jesus will come back
3) Yes I haven't PERSONALLY read regarding huzrat Isa's been on the cross in Quran
4) Non of us can read or speak Hibro (the language Bible is written)