Salam,
Can anyone tell me the difference between the Chughatta/Chaghatta and the Chughtai tribe ? As far as i know, and from what i have been told, there is a difference (not just the spelling or pronunciation), but no one can tell me what the difference is .. If you happen to know could you eleberate on their history, i.e where their ancestors came from, and how they arrived in South-East Asia.
All help is appreciated.
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So nobody know ?
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Baba, if you do find it out, please do let us know too.
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Ok, so someone correct me if i’m wrong, but this is what i know
(in layman’s terms):
Mughals are a mixture of the Caucasoid (Tatar) and Mongoloid (Genghis) anthropological groups. Because of the intermingling of the two camps, a new tribe was established by Timur. It is this new tribe, the descendants of Timur (the Timurids), that later invaded India and founded the Mughal Empire.
The Mughals had several influences around them: Persian, Mongol, Turkish etc. There were several different sub-tribes of the Mughal clan, each sub-tribe holding a different name for themselves e.g:
→ Some classified themselves as Beg/Baig (Turkish)
→ Some classified themselves as Khan (Mongol)
→ Some classified themselves as Mir/Emir (Perisan)
Now this is where i get confused, so bear with me…
So, given, that there are many different sub tribes of the Mughal clan, they later split into many, the main clans being:
→ Turks
→ Chughtai
→ Barla
→ Qizilbahsh
→ Mirza (the Mirs fall into this category)
→ Chughatta???
The Chughtai clan gets its name from Chagatai Khan, who was the son of Genghis Khan, and are probably the most widespread of any of the Mughal clans in South Asia.
The Chughatta tribe… well i don’t even know if they were a tribe? I know the Barlas and Chughtais were the main settlers in the Punjab area, but when i did a quick search on “Chughatta” it brought up something like “The Barlas and CHUGHATTA were the main settlers in the Punjab…”
Is the Chughatta really an entity of itself, or is it a misspelling of Chugtai? Actually, i have no idea, i’m just as lost as you now. 
I realise by re-reading through the above, i’m just thinking out loud, so i hope my ramblings made some sense and that i haven’t b*stardised history too much. 
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Chugatta is the Punjabi pronounciation of Chughtai. In Delhi and Lukhnow, they are always Chughtai. Most South Asian Mughal are chughtai, Balras or qazilbash.
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That was a fun read maroush! Now i want to know more!
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our family names go like mirza ** xxx yyy zzz **baig....
but our grandfather's brother, who took his lineage more seriously than the rest of us, used to add chughtai too at the end of his name....
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Chughatta is indeed the southern rendition og the mongol word Chaghatai.
Chaggatai was indeed one of Ghengis Khans sons, but was never able to rule due to his quarrel with Jochi so his younger brother Ogedai took over and the Chuggatai clan went east. Jochis clan was forced to kill thier leader and head westwards, while Ogedai was the ruler of the Mongols.
Jochi's however accepted Islam before the others and soon united with the Gok turks, and the reamaining forces of the Khwarazmians to defeat the other brotherhood clans and thence Islam became the principal religion of the Steppe tribes.
Most Chuggatais, are now settled and at some time in thier past formed part of the Mughal elite. The Naimans still remain nomadic mostly and are spread throughout Afghanistan. As for the Uighyurs they are sectioned off mostly around Xingiang in China.
All in all these were all part of the greater Ordu speaking nation, from which English language takes the word Horde, and south asians use the term Urdu. Hope this helps somewhat.
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there are mughal khels among pashtuns, i wonder if they have any connection with mughals.
there are mughal khels among pashtuns, i wonder if they have any connection with mughals.
Pathans and Mughals are distinct, so I would guess no.