Mrs Blairs advise for the muslim woman

CAIRO, December 17 (IslamOnline.net) – Cherie Blair, wife of the British premier, was criticized Wednesday, December 17, for claiming Saudi women were not treated as “equals but some sort of other”, with critics dismissing the remarks as an intrusion on issues she has no knowledge to address.

Appearing at a dinner promoting Muslim women’s participation in public life, Mrs. Blair argued that the image of Saudi Arabia was “appalling”, The Independent reported.

“Part of the reason it’s appalling is that perception that you treat your women like they are not equals but some sort of ‘other’,” she told the audience, including Saudi ambassador, Prince Turki al-Faisal.

“I am so delighted that His Royal Highness came from Saudi Arabia because as I said to your wife when I met her Sir, I said that Saudi Arabia’s image in the world is appalling and we need to do something about that, we need to help you do something about that,” Mrs. Blair added.

In No Position

Reem Bekheit, director of the Future Expert center in Jeddah, told IslamOnline.net Mrs. Blair is in no position to speak about Saudi women at the first place, asserting she spoke about a small cross-section of society.

“She speaks abut a minority in Saudi Arabia…She speaks about a traditional section of society, who are bound by traditions…But it is quite safe to say that they are abnormal, and so they cannot be taken as a yardstick,” said Bekheit, who runs a language center in Jeddah.

“These traditions date back before the advent of Islam, so they are Arab ones passed on from one generation to another…They have nothing to do with Islam,” she stressed.

The Saudi activist further maintained that fellow Saudi women have advanced by leaps and bounds over the past few years.

“We have women physicians, university professors, language experts, teachers. I say this because I have a direct contact with this section of society,” she averred.

Bekheit also said Saudi housewives are playing a key role in brining up children and catering to their husbands “on the contrary to the West”.

Asked about the role of Mutwaa, religious police, and their treatment of women, Bekheit asserted that they became history.

“Unfortunately, there is nothing called Mutwaa right now,” she said.

“Mutwaas used to promote virtue in the past and they were serving as some kind of social deterrent.”

On banning Saudi women from driving cars, Bekheit said it is a government decision although all Saudis are almost on board that there is nothing wrong for women to take the wheel.

“But, to my way of thinking, the government looks after women and girls…It is a kind of piety,” she said.

She put forward a couple of ideas to lift the car ban, for instance, women drivers should stick to the Islamic dress and come home not late than 8:00 p.m.

Western Style

Another Saudi citizen living in Cairo, who asked not to be named, underlined that the problem is that the west "has a certain way of life. Cherie wants Saudi women to behave and dress like British women.

“The West looks at women from a sensational perspective, the more they take off their clothes, the better. If you don’t live like them, there is something wrong with you,” he added.

“But we will never be like the western society…We honor and respect women and Islam does…The West has a myriad of social ills, to mention but a few, homosexuality and family disunity.”

He also highlighted some positive steps taken by the Saudi government to improve the status of women, asserting that the government is mulling a bill allowing women to drive and get licenses.

Comment:

Intresting advise for the muslim women if only we did not believe in Allah, the Quran and the Prophet Muhammeds sunnah, Oh how easy it would have been for the muslim women to follow Mrs Blairs advise and in the words of the west " Let it all hang out". Also " If you’ve got it flaunt it", and my personal favourite " Its my life and i am free to do what i want, i’ll learn my lesson whether im right or wrong".

Yo Cherie - you go girlfriend.

It's actually quite funny to read all the excuses and rationalizations from Saudi women

Hey. If Hillary Clinton can tell people how to raise a child ("it takes a village"), why can't Cherie speak out for women's rights, no matter what religion the women are?

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Yo Cherie - you go girlfriend.

It's actually quite funny to read all the excuses and rationalizations from Saudi women
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An you seem to know for a fact that they are all excuses. None of those wrods are the true feelings of those women...right? I am not going to argue how the women are treated in Saudi Arabi...its an open and shut case...We can all agree that they need to get their heads out of the sands and provide or at least try to provide equal opportunities to women, but do not assume for a second that you know how those women feel, becasue you do not.

Did Mrs. Blair address the issue of the women being used as sex objetcs in the west? I was just wondering if she had anything to say about that?

LoL what a joker!!

A Kaafira is going to tell Muslimah’s what equality is?

Has she been smokin’ dope or is she pissed out of her head?

she needs to sell her book that is all.

interesting ..

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**LoL what a joker!!
A Kaafira is going to tell Muslimah’s what equality is?
Has she been smokin’ dope or is she pissed out of her head?
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So? Just because she's a "Kaafira" doesn't mean she might not possess intelligence about some issue. i am not talking about Cherie Blair in particular, i am not referring to her comments about Saudi women or Saudi culture in particular; i am just saying that in general, nonMuslim women aren't intellectually inferior to Muslim women. By the fact of me being a Muslimah, doesn't necessarily mean i am anymore intelligent or intellectually superior to all nonMuslim women. There could be tonnes of information that i am totally ignorant about that a nonMuslim woman could educate me about. And vice versa.

i have found you can never judge a person's intelligence (or lack of) by their religion. Everyone has their own merits, their own deficiencies, their own weaknesses, and their own strengths. i am not intellectually superior to a nonMuslim female simply because i have chosen the path of Islam. What would make me superior would be an active presence of piety and my morals, not simply that i call myself Muslimah.

Well said Nadia-H. :k:

The biggest drawback in Muslims is that they simply cant accept the idea that a non- muslim can teach them any thing and that non-muslim can be more wise and have wisdom then them.

No wonder 99% muslim nations are part of the Third World Countries and instead of going ahead they are going backwords.

Damn with saudi moslem women, if they feel subjugated, they should have guts to protest...if they dont, than they probably liked getting kicked around by men...why should we burn our energy for these brainless softies, nether have they asked for our help....
if they are getting some pride in getting pushed around....let them have it abandunce....enjoy!!

cherie, do something usefull.

Nadia, while i agree that religion is not a basis for intellect. Why do saudi women need a foreigner to 'free' them? Can we really persume that Arab women themselves do not speak out, ofcourse they do, let them do it for themselves and lets hear about what they are doing.

And is cherie talking about the 'image' of women being a problem or the actuality?

Serendipiti, You make good points. But i was not referring to Cherie Blair's comments about Saudi women needing freedom etc.; that's the reason i stated in my last post, i am not talking about Cherie Blair in particular, i am not referring to her comments about Saudi women or Saudi culture in particular. i have quite the opposite views on Cherie Blair's definition of freedom, infact my perspectives are probably quite similar to yours. What i was commenting on was the comment made earlier by someone else that we have nothing to learn from nonMuslim women. That, in general, is to me an erroneous statement. Whatever Cherie Blair has to say about Saudi women - i for the record don't agree with her comments, but i DO believe that in general, we can't say that just because Cherie isn't Muslim, therefore she has a hollow brain. And just because i am a Muslimah, i must be intellectually superior to her. i think that's rubbish.

Take every argument at its face value and debate it on its own merit, not whether the person who is leading the argument is Muslim or Martian. i have met many stupid, and many intelligent, Muslims just as there are many stupid, and intelligent, nonMuslims.

I have the pleasure of knowing very many non-muslim women, they are highly intelligent, able, dynamic and some are good freinds of mine. I learn from them everyday.

I believe it to be part of our responsibity, indeed obligation, as muslims to build bridges and enter in dialouge with everyone. A multicultural society depends on such interactions and it is plain ignorant and unislamic to think we have nothing to learn from others.

Conversely, I know my freinds learn from me.

When Cherie Blair talks about women being oppressed in muslim lands she is speaking from the secular western viewpoint which believes that men and women should have equal rights in everything. Before we start debating whether her views are correct or incorrect we need to discuss if the secular creed is correct, because if it is false then whatever is built upon this basis is also false.

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When Cherie Blair talks about women being oppressed in muslim lands she is speaking from the secular western viewpoint which believes that men and women should have equal rights in everything.

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So whats the islamic viewpoint on the equallity right for men and women in everything??????

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Before we start debating whether her views are correct or incorrect we need to discuss if the secular creed is correct, because if it is false then whatever is built upon this basis is also false.
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The same argument could be made about every thread in the religion forum which assumes its "creed" is correct.

She may be speaking from a secular western viewpoint, but from what viewpoint does one speak if defending the treatment of women in Saudi Arabia?

Secularism and its by product democracy is definetly false, they say no one is right or wrong which is nonsense.

If no one is right and no one is wrong then how can you come to a conculsion of what is the truth and what is falsehood. this by default makes secularism false.

If they got problem with Saudi and its human rights, then stop buying there oil but guess what oil comes before any thoughts of rights and wrongs for the people!