Re: Mr. Jinnah's presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
No one left those Muslims, they had a choice to join Pakistan, and besides, how many times do I tell you muslims were already a minority in the united india, and were only 28% of the total population, with an overwhelming Hindu majority.
Did Pakistan have enough space for them?
Will Pakistan accept all the indian muslims if they want to join Pakistan?
Re: Mr. Jinnah's presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
first of all, pakistan ney 'theka' nahee liye for all the muslims in the world, we already have the largest number of refugees living in our country. secondly, to answer your question, gujrat would have happened WITH or WITHOUT pakistan, its just that the former happened. British Raj changed into Ram Raj after the British left, and because of the fact that the Hindus are in majority, there is nothing that can be done about it, except hope that they get further down with secularism in their country and root out religious extermism.
Re: Mr. Jinnah's presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
^^ excellent reply....i fully agree...
Re: Mr. Jinnah's presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
first of all, pakistan ney 'theka' nahee liye for all the muslims in the world, we already have the largest number of refugees living in our country. secondly, to answer your question, gujrat would have happened WITH or WITHOUT pakistan, its just that the former happened. British Raj changed into Ram Raj after the British left, and because of the fact that the Hindus are in majority, there is nothing that can be done about it, except hope that they get further down with secularism in their country and root out religious extermism.
This is not an answer to my question ....anyway.....why people are being killed in Pakistan? Is there a majority of hindus in Pakistan that is doing all these killings?
Re: Mr. Jinnah's presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
^ Haleem, do you know how many people died in Gujrat, and it was due to open mob voilence, which was perpetrated by known people and instigated by religion parties there.
On the other hand, the secular killings in Pakistan (i am assuming thats what you are talking about) is being done by unknown people, and are MUCH less in magnitude (compare a handful against thousands in gujrat). Hence, you are not even comparing apples with oranges, you are comparing drops of water with an ocean.
No matter what your local maulanaz tell you, Jinnah was an amazing person who did us all a great favor, and he gave his life and health fighting for what he thought would be the best thing for us. Without him, you and I would be slaves to a Ram Raj. It is sad that whatevers wrong in Pakistan right now is because of fundamentalism, religious bigotry, lack of discipline that Jinnah hated so much. Revere him for that.
p.s. in pakistan muslims are killing muslims because of the screwed up interpretations they have, and your bigoted maulanaz and mollahs are pepetrating all that, and Jinnah's pakistan has no room for these jahilz.
Re: Mr. Jinnah's presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
^ Haleem, do you know how many people died in Gujrat, and it was due to open mob voilence, which was perpetrated by known people and instigated by religion parties there.
On the other hand, the secular killings in Pakistan (i am assuming thats what you are talking about) is being done by unknown people, and are MUCH less in magnitude (compare a handful against thousands in gujrat). Hence, you are not even comparing apples with oranges, you are comparing drops of water with an ocean.
No matter what your local maulanaz tell you, Jinnah was an amazing person who did us all a great favor, and he gave his life and health fighting for what he thought would be the best thing for us. Without him, you and I would be slaves to a Ram Raj. It is sad that whatevers wrong in Pakistan right now is because of fundamentalism, religious bigotry, lack of discipline that Jinnah hated so much. Revere him for that.
p.s. in pakistan muslims are killing muslims because of the screwed up interpretations they have, and your bigoted maulanaz and mollahs are pepetrating all that, and Jinnah's pakistan has no room for these jahilz.
I dont think this post of yours is adressing to me anyway........Spook...My maulanaz?
My Mullahs? I dont know what are you talking about?
Your guess work is wrong.
If all the people with beards are the root cause of Pakistan's corruption then why don't you get rid of all those people.....bcoz they don't have a right to live their life with peace
........na rahe ga baans na baje gi bansri.
Re: Mr. Jinnah's presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
I am not saying we should get rid of them (as much as I want them to dissapear indefinitely) I am just pointing out who the real culprit is, because you seem to be very fond of them, and are pointing fingers at Jinnah. Please grow up and learn some basic pakistan studies, and then come here and post, dont waste our time
Re: Mr. Jinnah's presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
I am not saying we should get rid of them (as much as I want them to dissapear indefinitely) I am just pointing out who the real culprit is, because you seem to be very fond of them, and are pointing fingers at Jinnah. Please grow up and learn some basic pakistan studies, and then come here and post, dont waste our time
I am fond of jahil pakistani people who claim to be mullahs?
Why are you thinking on your own?
The real problem of Pakistan is lack of education in every field(including religion).
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^ Nope, jitni marzi deeni taleem hasil kar lo, that wont do any good, we need proper education as a whole. Right now life in Pakistan for an ordinary person is all about making ends meet, bachey paida karna, vent out frustration on some emotional issue, such as religion (thats how alot of sectarian bombers are recruited). And first thing you need to realize is appreciate the great leader jinnah and the country he gave you, and then we'll talk about everything else.
Re: Mr. Jinnah's presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
16 crore people 's head will bow till qiyyamah when the name of jinnah will come.....he did forhis country...which no one did before....he is a wali of allah...and beloved of prophet(pbuh) as Maulana ashraf ali thanvi saw him in dream of prophet(pbuh) !!!!!!!!!
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exactly...thanks god to jinnah...we are the first class citizen of pakistan...not second class muslims citizens of india...we have respect and dignity..and we the hell care about india !!!!!!!!!!!
Re: Mr. Jinnah's presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
^ Nope, jitni marzi deeni taleem hasil kar lo, that wont do any good, we need proper education as a whole. Right now life in Pakistan for an ordinary person is all about making ends meet, bachey paida karna, vent out frustration on some emotional issue, such as religion (thats how alot of sectarian bombers are recruited). And first thing you need to realize is appreciate the great leader jinnah and the country he gave you, and then we'll talk about everything else.
I did say education in every field including religion...........because without Islam pakistanis even any nation cannot sort out its morality.
Appreciating Jinnah is not part of my faith........I have a right to like or dislike people when I have pretty good reasons for that or even without any reason.
I respect Jinnah as I respect every human being.
Re: Mr. Jinnah's presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
16 crore people 's head will bow till qiyyamah when the name of jinnah will come.....he did forhis country...which no one did before....he is a wali of allah...and beloved of prophet(pbuh) as Maulana ashraf ali thanvi saw him in dream of prophet(pbuh) !!!!!!!!!
dawa-i-dil................My head will bow only when the name of Allah will come.
Yes he did what no one did before for Sub continent.
Wali of Allah? how do you know if someone is wali of Allah? Do you have knowledge of unseen(audhubillah)?
Even satan can come into dreams in any shape except in the shape of Prophet(SAW).
I respect you for your contribution to the religion forum but things like you have said are false and silly. Very disappointing, hearing things like these from you.
As I said before pakistanis think Jinnah as a Prophet.
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Sister...i am talking about Ashraf ali thanvi...not** "aira ghaira nathu " maghga gamma...**
by the way who told you about "prophet Jinnah" ?????????
was he after prophet(pbuh) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: Mr. Jinnah's presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
haleem so for a person to be respected he has to have a big dhari and has to be part of your faith? You are in dire need of a dimagh. What are you even arguing about? Its clear to me that u heard some maulana say some negative stuff about Jinnah, and youre trying soo hard to discredit him here by saying silly stuff like how muslims were in majority in the united sub-continent or how they would rule over the entire sub-continent had it not been for Jinnah's pakistan lol
in the end, people of pakistan will be indebted to jinnah, a great human being and our leader while your religious leaders will continue to recruit suicide bombers and spread the message of hatred.
Re: Mr. Jinnah's presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
haleem so for a person to be respected he has to have a big dhari and has to be part of your faith? You are in dire need of a dimagh. What are you even arguing about? Its clear to me that u heard some maulana say some negative stuff about Jinnah, and youre trying soo hard to discredit him here by saying silly stuff like how muslims were in majority in the united sub-continent or how they would rule over the entire sub-continent had it not been for Jinnah's pakistan lol
in the end, people of pakistan will be indebted to jinnah, a great human being and our leader while your religious leaders will continue to recruit suicide bombers and spread the message of hatred.
Peace Spock
For a Muslim to be respected by other Muslims when he claims to represent Islam then he should be the best Muslim amongst them surely!
So now for your agenda speech at the end ... secularism ... Religious leaders have never recruited suicide bombers this is just media propagandists babble that the secularists are using to their devices. Religious Muslims are and have always been the best examples of humanity.
Re: Mr. Jinnah's presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
^ And what do you think the guys at lal masjid are trying to do when they threatened the government with suicide attacks? secularist propoganda?
Re: Mr. Jinnah's presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
dear sister...what is happening in waziristan...which version of islam thees "best examples of humanity" is showing and preaching....
Re: Mr. Jinnah's presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
My opinion is binAadam is hundred percent right. It was british raj who decided to leave and divide india. For this they made and used jinnah, gandhi and many many other agents. Gandhi and jinnah was their agents and both have their bad intentions(niyyat) for the people of india both hindu and muslims. And surely british rulers have their own intentions not good for hindus and muslims.
But the question is what to do now?
Break pakistan??? No.
Unite hindostan an pakistan??? No.
Crush pakistan because the intentions of our independence leaders wasnt good??? No.
Brothers always keep in mind there are 2 pakistans... 1 is land and people of pakistan which surely are(was) not made by british raj or any british agent like jinnah.
The second pakistan is government (political establishment bureaucracy police and army) we need to break(keep in mind i am saying break) and rebuild all the structure again through a radical surgical operation means REVOLUTION.
Remember, dividing india was their policy yesterday and now they want us both to fight so they can gain more and more control on us. And subsequently they want to weaken and crush pakistan. Which we must not let happen. I am not saying we must not fight india. I am just saying we must fight our own wars not theirs. We must end war at our own.
It is good to identify the british agents of history but it is necessary it is wise to identify their agents around us nowadays and finish them by bringing them to courts or military courts.
Naimatullah shah wali kashmiri said one day all the hindyana(now india) and sindhyana(now pakistan) will become muslim.(inshaALLAH)