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*Originally posted by aMaRTYRi: *
Pakistan would even support Jews if it was in their interest, what are you talking about? So what if they "supported" Pashtuns in Afghanistan? Did you know that they turned around and helped the US topple the Taliban (Pashtuns)??
What a goof!!
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hey goof. News flash, countries only do things that are in there interest. This is'nt Monopoly genious.......
Since you did'nt adress anything I said, I ain't go nothing to say to you.
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*Originally posted by Fraudz: *
... ethnic groups who have not been in an area for some predetermined amount of time get ignored?
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No they are not ignored; they are just spanked in case they make trouble.
On a serious note, Muhajirs cannot confiscate a portion of Sindh. Sindhis will be vevy vevy agnvy ;)
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*Originally posted by elahi: *
hey goof. News flash, countries only do things that are in there interest. This is'nt Monopoly genious.......
Since you did'nt adress anything I said, I ain't go nothing to say to you.
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So I guess helping the Taliban gain power was in your best interests, then later on, helping to topple them was in your best interests, eh? Is that how you roll, or is it really what the big men in Washington tell ya to do?
Oh man, all those years of brainwashing your people down the drain...now you're trying to brainwash them into thinking that foreigners are bad, well, good luck with it.
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*Originally posted by Shah Sur Khan: *
In 50 years 5 different times the military had to take control of Pakistan due to corruption. Great leaders you say?
The problem is not Pakistan but the current Pakistani establishment; unfortunately it becomes very hard to differentiate between the two especially when all the 3 minority provinces have no say in Pakistani diplomacy.
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I want to get this straight, you mentioned that the the military had to take control of Pakistan due to its corrupt leaders, right?
If yes, then could you please name me the leader/s that became leader/s without the military's support? After the British handed over the Army's leadership to a Pakistani.
Since IMO that Pakistani military has always been in control of Pakistan, whether directly or indirectly.
Thanks in advance...
You'll also notice that almost all pakistanis who support the army are >>punjabis or mohajirs.
i like the way you are ethnicising the whole issue. one wud think the whole population in karachi n lahore, only had mohajirs and punjabis to them. pathan to durr durr tak nahi nazar aatay no. and yes, the cities are a large part of the population. the ethnic nationalists are no less than rural jagirdars, interior sindh hoa yaa balochistan.
as for naming issue, it all sounds like a good enough grantable wish. but its not done, cuz there are many parties sitting around who want theri regions recognised. MQM itself wants karachi to be recognised as separate from sindh, so all this display of pashtun-love by altaf is not selflessly humanitarian.
its old news that after paskhtoonistan it is karachi which is next in line.
Their demands are genuine and need to be met.
All the names of provinces should be changed. As half of the punjab is back in India. Part of Billouchistan is also in Iran. Also about sind, there are sindhi speaking Hindus, Also Pakhtouns are in Afghanistan also.
So we should make new demarkations and new beautiful names, such
as soujahans, NWFP
Wafadarans Elaqa Gheir such as wazeristan
jawanans, PUNJABIS
Elimdanans, SINDHIS AND KARACHI WALEY
sougadaranans, BILOUCHIES
and to kilkit and khasmeri part as jan nesaranans,or mehmandarans
But we must do some thing to the names of provinces or we should make it one unit. In keeping names we should take care of the fact that province name should resemble urdu,or its root language, so that name of the province should resemble with the names of all asian areas; and it should reflect our culture; we must reflect we are proud of being asians. Your comments please. sokoon
Mrs. Sokoon, Sindh will always remain Sindh, as it has done for 1000's of years before Pakistan.
sadiqaan,
you welcome; lets our sindh name stays as sindh.
Punjab as Punjab
Bilouchistan as Bilouchistan
And NWFP as Pakhtounistan
BUt ELAQA GHEAR as Wafadaran or mushkil koushan
And Kashmeri area as Mehmandaram
It is just suggestions, mere------who cares what I suggest?
May be next election when I would be a ------crat.
Bye sokoon
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*Originally posted by antiobl: *
What's the issue? Put a name or two on the ballot next time. Start a Jinnah style peaceful campaign (instead of these MAToo terrorist style) to change the name and possibly an amendment in the constitution.
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It was the Pakistanis who brought those filthy Arabs in to our Holy Pashtun Land, otherwise how could those innocent people get the Arabs settled in their land? Pakistan is responsible for all the happenings in Waziristan. There is a limit and Pakistan has gone over that, our people have been requesting for the name since before the creation of Pakistan, but we never got it! What else would you do after this? Obviously take up arams against the dictatorial government.
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No real Pashtun can LOL on Afghani plight. The Soviet commies raped noble people of Afghanistan. The only help that made a difference came from Pakistan and the US. Afghan refugees were much more free in Pakistan than any other Afghanistan-neighbor.
Afghan colonization? Yeah right! Only the commie lefties or the MAToo terrorists would come up with these theories.
Khuda Hafiz
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I LOL-ed at the dream of Pakistan! For them dreaming of colonising AFGHANISTAN!
Yeah off course the Afghans would be happy in their land, they weren't refugees, they lived in their homeland. Pashtunistan! :)
Sorry, but this colonising theory is of Pakistan, i can't get my mind over it, it is unbelieveble seeing our once slaves thinking such of us. God help Us! :)
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*Originally posted by Spock: *
But man, you said 'Im seeing what I was dreaming for', after you saw this news. As for the province having the name, thats been going on for so long, only difference is that this time Altaf Hussain made the demand, so thats why I asked if you were dreamin of Altaf.
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Yeah what was wrong with that?
LOL, why would i dream of him? I don't even know how he looks. By the way i would'nt wantto see him so.
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*Originally posted by ghuLail: *
You'll also notice that almost all pakistanis who support the army are >>punjabis or mohajirs.
i like the way you are ethnicising the whole issue. one wud think the whole population in karachi n lahore, only had mohajirs and punjabis to them. pathan to durr durr tak nahi nazar aatay no. and yes, the cities are a large part of the population. the ethnic nationalists are no less than rural jagirdars, interior sindh hoa yaa balochistan.
as for naming issue, it all sounds like a good enough grantable wish. but its not done, cuz there are many parties sitting around who want theri regions recognised. MQM itself wants karachi to be recognised as separate from sindh, so all this display of pashtun-love by altaf is not selflessly humanitarian.
its old news that after paskhtoonistan it is karachi which is next in line.
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You've misinterpreted my post.
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*Originally posted by Aryan_Shponkai: *
I don't even know how he looks. By the way i
would'nt wantto see him so.
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He is very similar in his appearance to the current pakistani dictator, they could be twins.
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*Originally posted by Aryan_Shponkai: *
Yeah what was wrong with that?
LOL, why would i dream of him? I don't even know how he looks. By the way i would'nt wantto see him so.
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I could show you his picture, but it will haunt you forever!
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*Originally posted by Aryan_Shponkai: *
It was the Pakistanis who brought those filthy Arabs in to our Holy Pashtun Land,
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That is true!
Pakistani government did train and arm Afghan resistance, provide logistic support, and medical treatment. It was clearly a mistake to invite Arrraab zealots into the mix. However hindsight is always 20/20. Back when Commie lefties were raping the Holy Pashtun Land, it was difficult to visualize Commie defeat.
Pouncing around calling one an Aryan is really easy; thanking Pakistani people for their sacrifices is very difficult.
Do you realize that very few Afghans know what happened in 1985?
Im not against calling the NWFP pakhtoonistan, i think they deserve it... But what I do find interesting is how people claim that other provinces are named after their inhabitants. Take Punjab for example, correct me if im wrong but isnt Punjab a geographical designation, namely the "the land of the five rivers"? Punjabi simply refers to those who reside in this land of the five rivers. Sindh, although I may be worng, was named for the river. So the people were named after the land they lived on, not the other way around.
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*Originally posted by PaKpatriot1: *
Im not against calling the NWFP pakhtoonistan, i think they deserve it... But what I do find interesting is how people claim that other provinces are named after their inhabitants. Take Punjab for example, correct me if im wrong but isnt Punjab a geographical designation, namely the "the land of the five rivers"? Punjabi simply refers to those who reside in this land of the five rivers. Sindh, although I may be worng, was named for the river. So the people were named after the land they lived on, not the other way around.
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Absolutely, I myself have been wanting to say this for a while, Punjabi is anyone who lives in Punjab (which may include a Pathan), it is not an ethnic group, ok some people use it to refer to languages which kind of causes a problem, maybe if we referred to the various dialects separately by their dialect name Majhi, Jhangvi etc. instead of Punjabi. Naming any one particular ethnic or linguistic group after a region or the other way round is bound to cause problems for those who later settle there.
Sindh is named after the river Indus (Sindh in Pakistani) not after any ethnic group.
The only province named after its inhabitants is Baluchistan and now NWFP which some people want to name after their ethnicity.
We need to give Baluchistan a neutral name and for NWFP, Khyber is much better.
“Pakhtunkhwa” kehnay se galley mein balgham ikhtatha ho jaata hai...
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*Originally posted by Naadir: *
Absolutely, I myself have been wanting to say this for a while, Punjabi is anyone who lives in Punjab (which may include a Pathan), it is not an ethnic group, ok some people use it to refer to languages which kind of causes a problem, maybe if we referred to the various dialects separately by their dialect name Majhi, Jhangvi etc. instead of Punjabi. Naming any one particular ethnic or linguistic group after a region or the other way round is bound to cause problems for those who later settle there.
Sindh is named after the river Indus (Sindh in Pakistani) not after any ethnic group.
The only province named after its inhabitants is Baluchistan and now NWFP which some people want to name after their ethnicity.
We need to give Baluchistan a neutral name and for NWFP, Khyber is much better.
“Pakhtunkhwa” kehnay se galley mein balgham ikhtatha ho jaata hai...
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Yeah, Punjab languages are quite distinct.. Im from Northern Punjab Chakwal region. Our dilect is similar to Hindko in some ways. I have heard some Hindko speakers and they do sound similar to us. But Hindko is not considered Punjabi while ours is, so what does that say?!?
I think they just need to have a referandum, and figure this out that way, take the politics out of it.. Its just a name afterall.
so what was the place called before it was named NWFP by the brits?
Queer, Before the British, it was part of Sikh empire, and under the Moghals, it were territories (Swat, Peshawar, Mardan, etc.) and before them (Sher Shaha Suri) it was part of Afghanistan, and before that during Kuhsan it was also part of Afghan empire. And a long before that it was part of Gandhara. Only the Brits called it NWFP and Pakistan kept that name.
I don't see why we are even having this debate. If I'm not mistaken the ANP tried renaming NWFP Pukhtoonistan years ago but were not successfull becuase the Hindko speaking people who are a sizeable minority (~30%) opposed the motion.
I would say stick the issue on a referendum and let people vote. Though democracy obviously is'nt a strong point in Pakistan :)