Most Suppressed Nation

[mahool]

Re: Most Suppressed Nation

@Sachaydino

^^^Because Punjab was least affected as compared to other areas of Pakistan. Read carefully what I have written above. What happened in rural Sindh, can you link such news in rural Punjab? The red words above said all about why jehadi never targeted the civilian population in Punjab as compared to other provinces.

@ajazali

Racist and idiot.

@Sachaydino … saal badla hia… banda nahi…
kehtay hian… alfaz insaan ki shaksiat ka aina dar hotay hian…

yeh parh kar mujhy to rooti walay babay ki haqeeqat pata chal gai… app jaisa likhty hian… app asal main wesay hi hian…

[Sachaydino]

Re: Most Suppressed Nation

@mahool

@Sachaydino … saal badla hia… banda nahi…
kehtay hian… alfaz insaan ki shaksiat ka aina dar hotay hian…

yeh parh kar mujhy to rooti walay babay ki haqeeqat pata chal gai… app jaisa likhty hian… app asal main wesay hi hian…

That is true face of JI. Bangladesh rightly hanged the terrorists of Al-Badr and Al-Shams. Same action is needed in Pakistan too to get rid of terrorists and supporters of terrorists.

[ajazali]

Re: Most Suppressed Nation

@mahool

@Sachaydino … saal badla hia… banda nahi…
kehtay hian… alfaz insaan ki shaksiat ka aina dar hotay hian…

yeh parh kar mujhy to rooti walay babay ki haqeeqat pata chal gai… app jaisa likhty hian… app asal main wesay hi hian…

@Sachaydino

That is true face of JI. Bangladesh rightly hanged the terrorists of Al-Badr and Al-Shams. Same action is needed in Pakistan too to get rid of terrorists and supporters of terrorists.

Rotay raho jootay khatay raho establishment k. Yehi tumari auqat ha. Just like Bangladesh hanged pro pakistanis we should also hang anti pakistan.
Bulao barray bhai ko b bulao. Altaf the killer and traitor ko b bulao

[hanibal]

Re: Most Suppressed Nation

@Sachaydino

**The title of thread should be changed to "Most Suppressed Communities of Sindh, Baluchistan and KP of Pakistan.
**

**Interior Sindh has a history of suicide*attacks, targeted killings
**
KARACHI: Khanpur suicide attack, which was foiled by the police and local people, was the fifth one in three adjacent districts of Sindh. These three districts Shikarpur, Jacobabad and Sukkur earlier notorious for tribal feuds, have also witnessed three planted bomb attacks and deadly assaults in the past, allegedly on sectarian basis. At least 150 people including some high-profile personalities of three different sects including Syed Hajan Shah, Syed Shafiq Shah and Dr Khalid Mehmood Soomro lost their

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/03/opinion/the-other-threat-to-pakistan.html?_r=0

The Other Threat to Pakistan
By HUMA YUSUFAPRIL 2, 2014

**LAHORE, Pakistan — At a literature festival here not long ago, I bumped into a school friend who had recently relocated from Karachi, the southern port city where we both grew up. Karachi has all the buzz, and violence, of a megalopolis — more than 2,700 people were killed there in 2013 — and none of the greenery and historic charms of Lahore, the capital of Punjab Province. “I’m loving Lahore,” she told me. “I feel like I’ve moved to Switzerland after living in a war zone.”

The contrast is not as exaggerated as it sounds. In recent years, Punjab has suffered less than the rest of the country from the suicide attacks and bomb blasts that have killed some 49,000 people since 2001. There have been dramatic exceptions: terrorist attacks against the visiting Sri Lankan cricket team and at a major Sufi shrine in Lahore, at army headquarters in Rawalpindi, and at a five-star hotel and courts in the capital, Islamabad. Anti-India militant groups like Lashkar-e-Taiba and anti-Shiite organizations like Lashkar-e-Jhangvi are based in Punjab and draw most of their recruits from the province. But these groups mostly stage their attacks elsewhere in Pakistan to maintain benign relations with the local authorities.

And so the perception that Punjab has suffered less from violence than the rest of the country prevails, creating much resentment. For non-Punjabis, the province’s relative stability is just the latest demonstration of how Punjabi elites rally to protect their own interests at the expense of their compatriots. And such interprovincial rivalries could be as great a challenge for the country’s stability as the Taliban.

It is commonly said that Punjab is synonymous with Pakistan, and vice versa, which seems to relegate the other provinces and autonomous regions to the status of outliers. Some of Punjab’s good fortune is an accident of geography: the name means “land of five rivers,” referring to the Indus River and the tributaries that flow through the province, making it the agricultural and industrial heartland of Pakistan. But politics matters even more.

Pakistan’s elites, political, bureaucratic and military have long hailed from Punjab and shaped the country’s policies to the province’s advantage. Until recently, Punjab received the lion’s share of national revenues simply by virtue of having the largest population; never mind its actual needs or contributions to the national budget. (The formula was finally revised in 2009, benefiting Sindh, Baluchistan and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa provinces.) Also, the government and the military have long allotted prime agricultural land and urban real estate in other parts of Pakistan to Punjabi officers and senior bureaucrats.

Punjab itself is not a monolith. Some of the province’s southern districts are among the country’s poorest, and their inhabitants have grudges of their own against Lahore-based politicians. Water and energy shortages kept Punjab’s economic growth rate at 2.5 percent between 2007 and 2011, compared with 3.4 percent for the country overall. But this has done little to temper the impression among non-Punjabis that the province is booming while the rest of the country is burning.

These resentments animate the politics of Pakistan’s other provinces and threaten national unity. A separatist movement in Baluchistan taps grievances against Punjabis it says are exploiting Baluch gas and mineral resources to spur industrial growth in Punjab. It also rejects efforts by the predominantly Punjabi military to suppress Baluch nationalists. Killings of Punjabi “settlers” — often school teachers and civil servants — by Baluch separatists are a brutal expression of this.

Concerns about Punjabi domination have soared since the spring of 2013, when Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, of the Pakistan Muslim League (P.M.L.N.), was returned to power for the third time. He belongs to a Lahore-based industrial family with close ties to Punjab’s business elite and a can-do attitude to governance that features flashy development schemes. The perception that Punjab is batting in a league of its own has mounted under the Sharifs. During the general election campaign last year, while the Pakistan People’s Party, which is perceived to represent Sindhi interests, was making welfare cash transfers to impoverished women, the P.M.L.N. was distributing laptops to students.

Most of Karachi’s 18 million residents have to rely on private transport. But Lahoris commute on a rapid metrobus system, and a similar initiative in Islamabad will be the federal capital’s most expensive road project to date. While the Punjabi government is digitizing land records, automating administrative transactions and promoting what it calls e-governance, the Sindh government faces a famine in Tharparkar.

Punjab has been able to progress because it has been relatively unimpeded by terrorism. Shahbaz Sharif, Nawaz’s brother and Punjab’s chief minister since 2008, publicly appealed to the Pakistani Taliban in 2010 not to attack the province, and the request was largely heeded. His P.M.L.N. government in Punjab has not clamped down on influential sectarian militant groups in the province, instead befriending their leaders to rally votes during elections.

Likewise, the P.M.L.N. government at the center started pushing for peace talks with the Taliban in September and then even more in November, when the Taliban threatened to carry out attacks in Punjab to avenge the killing of their former leader in a U.S. drone strike in North Waziristan. The central government is considering concessions, including swapping prisoners, granting an amnesty to Taliban fighters and even giving the group a political role in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas along the border with Afghanistan.

Government officials have repeatedly stated that a peace deal is necessary because military strikes against the Taliban would lead to reprisal attacks. Given the carnage that Karachi, Quetta and Peshawar have endured in recent years, many Pakistanis describe that policy as a ploy to sacrifice the tribal areas in order to save Lahore. Such perceptions only heighten interprovincial tensions, just at a time when the country needs to be more united than ever.**

Huma Yusuf is a Pakistani journalist and global fellow at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars in Washington

This is most hilarious post ever, if not complete lies and deceptive…

Please tell me
who are Talpurs??? are they Punjabi?
Who are Jatois???
who are Bhuttos
who are Zardaries..
who are these people? are they not son-of-soil Sindhi and had been in power ever since Pakistan came into existence???

recently, and pretty recently, the CJ of Sindh High Court passed an observation asking where did Rs. 2 Billion for development of Larkana have gone??? reportedly it is with the Faryal Talpur, same thing happenedd in Thatta, Dado, Khairpur, Nawab Shah, and Hyderabad…

Karachi have been turned into Kachra Kundi… what have the Sindhies ruling sindh from last 8 or 9 years have done to improve it one bit???

why it is that the Sindhi Wadera is getting richer by day and cities are dying ?? any observation on that???

for once try to be honest to yourself… for once speak the truth to your self.. none of the Punjabi ever ruled Sindh, before from 1999 to 2013 it is either Sindhi or Urdu speaking who was heading the power centers… now these never did any good for Sindh have you ever wonder why??? because the Sindhi Wadera and leadership does not want development. development means they loose free labor or end of slavery…

Example of Sindh’s management is the Thar desert… people were dying and the cruel leadership of Sindh let the wheat rott in go-downs but never gave it to the people…

enough said

you and huma can continue to bash Pakistan

[hanibal]

Re: Most Suppressed Nation

@Sa1eem

As for What is happening in Syria, I know some disillusioned people under the trance of propaganda, would not like to know or hear anything.

Anyhow, I personally did not only talked to many Syrians (moved to London after Syrian war), but assessing news and reason, it is obvious to me that Syrian drama is nothing to do with Assad government, dictatorship or sectarian divisions. What is happening is obvious, so instead of making comments, please learn history, read, think, use intelligence and analyze (if one cannot do that, then it is better not to have opinion).

In 1967 Arab-Israel War, 4 countries fought Israel on ground, they were Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Iraq (as Iraqi forces was fighting along with Syrian forces). Some other Arab countries also helped. Israel captured West bank (Jordan), Sinai (including Gaza strip) from Egypt, and part of Golan heights (Syria).

After Palestinian revolt against Jordan king (1970), Jordan made unwritten truce with Israel, though after Egypt treaty with Israel, Jordan also signed peace treaty with Israel. Anyhow, after 1970 Palestinian revolt against Jordanian King, for Israel, Jordan got neutralized.

[We should remember that during Jordan crackdown on Palestinians in 1970 and their massacre, only country that came to Palestinians help was Syria. Actually, Syrian army even entered Jordan and intervened on behalf of Palestinians. Later, around 100,000 Palestinians were given refuge in Syria and Syrian (Asad) government slowly integrated these Palestinians with Syrian population, giving them equal rights in Syria what Syrian possesses. Same happened when Israel entered Lebanon to crush Palestinians and Syrian forces also entered Lebanon to stop Israeli advances. All this happened regardless of sectarian differences].

War again happened in 1973 when Egypt and Syria attacked Israel (again, Iraqi forces was fighting with Syria forces).

After 1973 war, Egypt made treaty with Israel, and got neutralized.

On the other hand, government of Iraq and Syria along with some Peripheral countries kept themselves at war with Israel. After downfall of Shah, Iran also joined these countries.

Thus, hands behind Israel security decided to destroy all these countries (especially, government of these countries). Please watch few videos to know some facts: I am putting down 3 of many videos explaining what happening behind the scene, though you can watch and then make up your own mind.

Corbett report:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCdaExnIpGs

UN peace keepers report (after visiting Syria):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8JppJyVxYU

Stormcloud:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkamZg68jpk

Some background that I understand: After Egypt and Jordan signed peace treaty with Israel and it became obvious that Iraq and Syria would not sign peace treaty, friends of Israel (we all know who they could be) decided to neutralize these two countries (topple government in these two countries). problem was to take action without making things obvious, so that local population of Israeli friend countries do not become anti-action, and also because population in countries (Syria and Iraq) do realize and thus action become difficult. Major problem was convincing population of their own countries, that is western population (especially, White western population), who need to get convinced that taking action against countries threat to Israel, is actually in heir own benefit. Thus, for the purpose to implement their plan, these ‘friends of Israel’ used their Arab slave countries, propaganda through all forums including media and social media, and also decided to take advantage of local differences in victim countries.

Initially, these hands (hands of Israeli friends or FoI) weakened Iraq and Iran by making them fight each other (they used their agents in Arab worlds to incite Iraq to attack Iran, and finance the war expenses of Iraq). Later, to bring down Iraq, they (FoI) made Arab countries to start asking Iraq the money Arab world gave to Iraq to fight the war. This resulted in Iraq attacking and occupying Kuwait (as Kuwait was major financier of Iraq-Iran war). Taking that as excuse (Iraq invasion of Kuwait), Iraq was invaded and destroyed. Next came Syria and Libya, while it was expected that Iran would become weaker due to sanctions, and that would help in its destruction (though, it seems, that did not worked).

Thus … all started from late 80s, after realization that some countries would not make treaty with Israel, and this war under plan is going on. Success followed in some countries, though it seems, plan is facing failure in others.

I’ve been in Syria many times from 2005 till all this “Arabian-Spring” thing started!!! as a matter of fact if Qadafi and his son haven’t gone for the the biggest Oil refinery in the eastern province of Libya, he’d (Qadafi) still would have been there..

so lets get back to Syria, among of all countries (arab) i have visited for Projects and Investments, Syria have been the best when comes to the people and their behavior.. yes they might not in love with Asad Regime but they didn’t hate it to he extent where they want to get rid of it… on top of that, Syrians have some excellent plans under development, out of them, few might can be a game-changer for the Syrians. one of them was their 1st ever Stock Exchange and 2nd one was the infrastructure development plan which was going to draw “Syrian-Sword” connecting Saudi-Arabia with Turkey and Iraq with the Mediterranean sea…

Not to mention, Petrochemical and lots of other projects in Syria… and i wondered from where all this started??? I agree to what u wrote above as an average Syrian thinks that they have paid the price for not getting in line for Israel..

[Bobby1]

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@hanibal

I’ve been in Syria many times from 2005 till all this “Arabian-Spring” thing started!!! as a matter of fact if Qadafi and his son haven’t gone for the the biggest Oil refinery in the eastern province of Libya, he’d (Qadafi) still would have been there..

so lets get back to Syria, among of all countries (arab) i have visited for Projects and Investments, Syria have been the best when comes to the people and their behavior.. yes they might not in love with Asad Regime but they didn’t hate it to he extent where they want to get rid of it… on top of that, Syrians have some excellent plans under development, out of them, few might can be a game-changer for the Syrians. one of them was their 1st ever Stock Exchange and 2nd one was the infrastructure development plan which was going to draw “Syrian-Sword” connecting Saudi-Arabia with Turkey and Iraq with the Mediterranean sea…

Not to mention, Petrochemical and lots of other projects in Syria… and i wondered from where all this started??? I agree to what u wrote above as an average Syrian thinks that they have paid the price for not getting in line for Israel..

One day people will have to stop blaming foreign governments and realize that what is happening there is because of their violent bloodthirsty savagery where the only response to a difference of opinion is rape, slaughter massacres, and genocide. Each ethnic group and religious sect is fervent in their desire to rape and slaughter people who have a difference of opinion or belief. USA, Canada, Mexico and many other non-OPEC countries have more than enough oil, Oil storage facilities are overflowing with excess oil. Obama administration was not very amicable with Israel so that is a weak excuse to shift accountability for savagery that these people display towards each other.

[Sachaydino]

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@hanibal

This is most hilarious post ever, if not complete lies and deceptive…

Please tell me
who are Talpurs??? are they Punjabi?
Who are Jatois???
who are Bhuttos
who are Zardaries..
who are these people? are they not son-of-soil Sindhi and had been in power ever since Pakistan came into existence???

recently, and pretty recently, the CJ of Sindh High Court passed an observation asking where did Rs. 2 Billion for development of Larkana have gone??? reportedly it is with the Faryal Talpur, same thing happenedd in Thatta, Dado, Khairpur, Nawab Shah, and Hyderabad…

Karachi have been turned into Kachra Kundi… what have the Sindhies ruling sindh from last 8 or 9 years have done to improve it one bit???

why it is that the Sindhi Wadera is getting richer by day and cities are dying ?? any observation on that???

for once try to be honest to yourself… for once speak the truth to your self.. none of the Punjabi ever ruled Sindh, before from 1999 to 2013 it is either Sindhi or Urdu speaking who was heading the power centers… now these never did any good for Sindh have you ever wonder why??? because the Sindhi Wadera and leadership does not want development. development means they loose free labor or end of slavery…

Example of Sindh’s management is the Thar desert… people were dying and the cruel leadership of Sindh let the wheat rott in go-downs but never gave it to the people…

enough said

you and huma can continue to bash Pakistan

We are talking about suppressed countries due to terrorists activities supported by super powers, according to you. My response is in red words is exactly opposite to your thinking. It has nothing to do with corruption which is entirely a different subject. Yes your leaders and leaders of PPP particularly belonging to Sindh have been involved in mass corruption without being caught. But that is another serious issue being faced in Pakistan, not involved by super powers.

[hanibal]

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@Sachaydino

We are talking about suppressed countries due to terrorists activities supported by super powers, according to you. My response is in red words is exactly opposite to your thinking. It has nothing to do with corruption which is entirely a different subject. Yes your leaders and leaders of PPP particularly belonging to Sindh have been involved in mass corruption without being caught. But that is another serious issue being faced in Pakistan, not involved by super powers.

Just read your own reply and see how it fits here!!!

Your pathetic leaders have destroyed entire Sindh province…can you dare ask them??? During 2 and half years of Mustafa Kamal… he transformed Karachi…parks and what not…and same parks…can they be found???

Your leaders are so pathetic that they are not distributing 2100 houses built by Turkish Govt to the flood victims of 2010…

It is not about corruption iam talking about…please give me reason why all this big Sindhi families who are ruling aren’t doing anything to develop Sindh???

Hell the destroyed Karachi and cannot even pickup garbage…and yoy are blaming Punjabies…

See how hate have blinded you…these Sindho leaders are looting Sindh and Sindhies are enjoying it every bit and blaming it on Punjabi…yeah thats the reason Schooling and Education is not allowed by these Sindhi leaders…

Now would you please say something relevant here or just going to spray hate venom?

[Sachaydino]

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@hanibal

Just read your own reply and see how it fits here!!!

Your pathetic leaders have destroyed entire Sindh province…can you dare ask them??? During 2 and half years of Mustafa Kamal… he transformed Karachi…parks and what not…and same parks…can they be found???

What this has to do with your topic?

[hanibal]

Re: Most Suppressed Nation

@Sachaydino

What this has to do with your topic?

Since the thing you saw in mirror is ugly… now you are running.. tell me what Siindhi Waderas (and all of them) have done for Sindh and Sindhi people despite being power for generation… your blind hatred against Punjab have blinded you… plz reply.. you started it… let say who is suppressing Sindhies..