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wah wah sarkar, kaya speech dee hai aap nay. matlab Zardari ko bee pecchay chor diya hai aap nay to!

taliyaan taliyaan claps for ehsan air jee. and I am not sarcastic. I am really impressed!

but sarkar where did i say that russia has not done anything wrong in Aleppo? all this poor servant of yours suggested was that why blame only Bashar and Russia for Aleppo? what about USA and UK and what they have been doing in this whole mess for last 36 months? my issue was that you did not say one word against them.

and you didnt see ISIS there? … wah sir wah. yes they may not have contributed in the last round of violence because there were on their way out as their ass was kicked but janab they ISIS was there for last 18 months or so and was committing all kind of barbaric crimes but I guess that does not matter since your mahan UK and US were supporting ISIS.

look, we need to criticize USA and UK role in this mess as well. All of sudden Western media is creating an environment where suddenly USA and UK are absolved of everything and Russia is the worst player. the fact of matter is that this horrible situation in Syria including aleppo started with Iraq war which USA and yes your mahan UK started shamelessly. shamelessly by telling lies. Your mahan UK PM who was an American puppet performed war crimes. Iraq caused some serious vacuum in the middle east which was then filled by ISIS and Obama and UK wrongly supported ISIS against anti-Bashar and now we are in total mess

Yes Ruddia and Bashar did horrible but i want is to include US and UK in Aleppo mess as well. yes i try to read both of sides of press as much i can before blaming only one side. that is all

waisay, happy new year Boss!

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exactly!

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One very humble and highly regarded poster essentially stated the same points directly above your post.

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sorry didnt read your post Uncle jee…just read it :blush:.

i thought we could never agree on anything aka ICC Elite Panel :teary1:

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We agree on more things than you realize, young phoenixdesi

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Now tell me the number of attacks in rural sindh vs punjab else you are racist :slight_smile:

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As for What is happening in Syria, I know some disillusioned people under the trance of propaganda, would not like to know or hear anything.

Anyhow, I personally did not only talked to many Syrians (moved to London after Syrian war), but assessing news and reason, it is obvious to me that Syrian drama is nothing to do with Assad government, dictatorship or sectarian divisions. What is happening is obvious, so instead of making comments, please learn history, read, think, use intelligence and analyze (if one cannot do that, then it is better not to have opinion).

In 1967 Arab-Israel War, 4 countries fought Israel on ground, they were Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Iraq (as Iraqi forces was fighting along with Syrian forces). Some other Arab countries also helped. Israel captured West bank (Jordan), Sinai (including Gaza strip) from Egypt, and part of Golan heights (Syria).

After Palestinian revolt against Jordan king (1970), Jordan made unwritten truce with Israel, though after Egypt treaty with Israel, Jordan also signed peace treaty with Israel. Anyhow, after 1970 Palestinian revolt against Jordanian King, for Israel, Jordan got neutralized.

[We should remember that during Jordan crackdown on Palestinians in 1970 and their massacre, only country that came to Palestinians help was Syria. Actually, Syrian army even entered Jordan and intervened on behalf of Palestinians. Later, around 100,000 Palestinians were given refuge in Syria and Syrian (Asad) government slowly integrated these Palestinians with Syrian population, giving them equal rights in Syria what Syrian possesses. Same happened when Israel entered Lebanon to crush Palestinians and Syrian forces also entered Lebanon to stop Israeli advances. All this happened regardless of sectarian differences].

War again happened in 1973 when Egypt and Syria attacked Israel (again, Iraqi forces was fighting with Syria forces).

After 1973 war, Egypt made treaty with Israel, and got neutralized.

On the other hand, government of Iraq and Syria along with some Peripheral countries kept themselves at war with Israel. After downfall of Shah, Iran also joined these countries.

Thus, hands behind Israel security decided to destroy all these countries (especially, government of these countries). Please watch few videos to know some facts: I am putting down 3 of many videos explaining what happening behind the scene, though you can watch and then make up your own mind.

Corbett report:

UN peace keepers report (after visiting Syria):

Stormcloud:

Some background that I understand: After Egypt and Jordan signed peace treaty with Israel and it became obvious that Iraq and Syria would not sign peace treaty, friends of Israel (we all know who they could be) decided to neutralize these two countries (topple government in these two countries). problem was to take action without making things obvious, so that local population of Israeli friend countries do not become anti-action, and also because population in countries (Syria and Iraq) do realize and thus action become difficult. Major problem was convincing population of their own countries, that is western population (especially, White western population), who need to get convinced that taking action against countries threat to Israel, is actually in heir own benefit. Thus, for the purpose to implement their plan, these ‘friends of Israel’ used their Arab slave countries, propaganda through all forums including media and social media, and also decided to take advantage of local differences in victim countries.

Initially, these hands (hands of Israeli friends or FoI) weakened Iraq and Iran by making them fight each other (they used their agents in Arab worlds to incite Iraq to attack Iran, and finance the war expenses of Iraq). Later, to bring down Iraq, they (FoI) made Arab countries to start asking Iraq the money Arab world gave to Iraq to fight the war. This resulted in Iraq attacking and occupying Kuwait (as Kuwait was major financier of Iraq-Iran war). Taking that as excuse (Iraq invasion of Kuwait), Iraq was invaded and destroyed. Next came Syria and Libya, while it was expected that Iran would become weaker due to sanctions, and that would help in its destruction (though, it seems, that did not worked).

Thus … all started from late 80s, after realization that some countries would not make treaty with Israel, and this war under plan is going on. Success followed in some countries, though it seems, plan is facing failure in others.

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^^ it is very very obvious that the divide and rule policy worked very well in middle east for supporters of israel. But we cannot only blame the west. If they are your enemy than why u dont forget your indifferences and join hands by forgetting sectarian bias…

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Shehbaz Sharif par ilzam mat lagain.. reference de kar baat karain.. kab unhon nay yeh kaha…

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here comes the troll :smiley:
He has already shared that link in this thread.

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I know u like to have victims pics in ur DP so here is at least a good looking one and u can use it. She is at least good looking

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She is a Canadian from Iraqi background killed in Istanbul attack. I am with you about the media. It is such a tragedy when innocent people die. I did read your previous post and really the only problem is cultural values where people glorify violence and are not taught empathy from a young age and killing people who are different is considered a heroic act.

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My sympathies are with her. But profile pic apni apni… I had updated it yesterday…

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**The title of thread should be changed to "Most Suppressed Communities of Sindh, Baluchistan and KP of Pakistan.
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**Interior Sindh has a history of suicide*attacks, targeted killings
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KARACHI: Khanpur suicide attack, which was foiled by the police and local people, was the fifth one in three adjacent districts of Sindh. These three districts Shikarpur, Jacobabad and Sukkur earlier notorious for tribal feuds, have also witnessed three planted bomb attacks and deadly assaults in the past, allegedly on sectarian basis. At least 150 people including some high-profile personalities of three different sects including Syed Hajan Shah, Syed Shafiq Shah and Dr Khalid Mehmood Soomro lost their

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/03/opinion/the-other-threat-to-pakistan.html?_r=0

The Other Threat to Pakistan
By HUMA YUSUFAPRIL 2, 2014

**LAHORE, Pakistan — At a literature festival here not long ago, I bumped into a school friend who had recently relocated from Karachi, the southern port city where we both grew up. Karachi has all the buzz, and violence, of a megalopolis — more than 2,700 people were killed there in 2013 — and none of the greenery and historic charms of Lahore, the capital of Punjab Province. “I’m loving Lahore,” she told me. “I feel like I’ve moved to Switzerland after living in a war zone.”

The contrast is not as exaggerated as it sounds. In recent years, Punjab has suffered less than the rest of the country from the suicide attacks and bomb blasts that have killed some 49,000 people since 2001. There have been dramatic exceptions: terrorist attacks against the visiting Sri Lankan cricket team and at a major Sufi shrine in Lahore, at army headquarters in Rawalpindi, and at a five-star hotel and courts in the capital, Islamabad. Anti-India militant groups like Lashkar-e-Taiba and anti-Shiite organizations like Lashkar-e-Jhangvi are based in Punjab and draw most of their recruits from the province. But these groups mostly stage their attacks elsewhere in Pakistan to maintain benign relations with the local authorities.

And so the perception that Punjab has suffered less from violence than the rest of the country prevails, creating much resentment. For non-Punjabis, the province’s relative stability is just the latest demonstration of how Punjabi elites rally to protect their own interests at the expense of their compatriots. And such interprovincial rivalries could be as great a challenge for the country’s stability as the Taliban.

It is commonly said that Punjab is synonymous with Pakistan, and vice versa, which seems to relegate the other provinces and autonomous regions to the status of outliers. Some of Punjab’s good fortune is an accident of geography: the name means “land of five rivers,” referring to the Indus River and the tributaries that flow through the province, making it the agricultural and industrial heartland of Pakistan. But politics matters even more.

Pakistan’s elites, political, bureaucratic and military have long hailed from Punjab and shaped the country’s policies to the province’s advantage. Until recently, Punjab received the lion’s share of national revenues simply by virtue of having the largest population; never mind its actual needs or contributions to the national budget. (The formula was finally revised in 2009, benefiting Sindh, Baluchistan and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa provinces.) Also, the government and the military have long allotted prime agricultural land and urban real estate in other parts of Pakistan to Punjabi officers and senior bureaucrats.

Punjab itself is not a monolith. Some of the province’s southern districts are among the country’s poorest, and their inhabitants have grudges of their own against Lahore-based politicians. Water and energy shortages kept Punjab’s economic growth rate at 2.5 percent between 2007 and 2011, compared with 3.4 percent for the country overall. But this has done little to temper the impression among non-Punjabis that the province is booming while the rest of the country is burning.

These resentments animate the politics of Pakistan’s other provinces and threaten national unity. A separatist movement in Baluchistan taps grievances against Punjabis it says are exploiting Baluch gas and mineral resources to spur industrial growth in Punjab. It also rejects efforts by the predominantly Punjabi military to suppress Baluch nationalists. Killings of Punjabi “settlers” — often school teachers and civil servants — by Baluch separatists are a brutal expression of this.

Concerns about Punjabi domination have soared since the spring of 2013, when Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, of the Pakistan Muslim League (P.M.L.N.), was returned to power for the third time. He belongs to a Lahore-based industrial family with close ties to Punjab’s business elite and a can-do attitude to governance that features flashy development schemes. The perception that Punjab is batting in a league of its own has mounted under the Sharifs. During the general election campaign last year, while the Pakistan People’s Party, which is perceived to represent Sindhi interests, was making welfare cash transfers to impoverished women, the P.M.L.N. was distributing laptops to students.

Most of Karachi’s 18 million residents have to rely on private transport. But Lahoris commute on a rapid metrobus system, and a similar initiative in Islamabad will be the federal capital’s most expensive road project to date. While the Punjabi government is digitizing land records, automating administrative transactions and promoting what it calls e-governance, the Sindh government faces a famine in Tharparkar.

Punjab has been able to progress because it has been relatively unimpeded by terrorism. Shahbaz Sharif, Nawaz’s brother and Punjab’s chief minister since 2008, publicly appealed to the Pakistani Taliban in 2010 not to attack the province, and the request was largely heeded. His P.M.L.N. government in Punjab has not clamped down on influential sectarian militant groups in the province, instead befriending their leaders to rally votes during elections.

Likewise, the P.M.L.N. government at the center started pushing for peace talks with the Taliban in September and then even more in November, when the Taliban threatened to carry out attacks in Punjab to avenge the killing of their former leader in a U.S. drone strike in North Waziristan. The central government is considering concessions, including swapping prisoners, granting an amnesty to Taliban fighters and even giving the group a political role in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas along the border with Afghanistan.

Government officials have repeatedly stated that a peace deal is necessary because military strikes against the Taliban would lead to reprisal attacks. Given the carnage that Karachi, Quetta and Peshawar have endured in recent years, many Pakistanis describe that policy as a ploy to sacrifice the tribal areas in order to save Lahore. Such perceptions only heighten interprovincial tensions, just at a time when the country needs to be more united than ever.**

Huma Yusuf is a Pakistani journalist and global fellow at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars in Washington

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But profile pics can be deceiving, I used to skip by ur posts when u had the darhi dp.

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Why punjab vs rest of Pakistan? Why not punjab vs rural sindh, punjab vs kpk and rural sindh vs kpk?
I told you you are too racist to answer to the point. Any fact regarding comparison of rural sindh and punjab?

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^^^Because Punjab was least affected as compared to other areas of Pakistan. Read carefully what I have written above. What happened in rural Sindh, can you link such news in rural Punjab? The red words above said all about why jehadi never targeted the civilian population in Punjab as compared to other provinces.

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Racist and idiot. You first talk about ethnic now hiding behind karachi wich not a sindhi majority area. So if you want to copmare then take areas of ethnic groups and compare. You can include hyderabad in rrual sindh for comparison with punjab. But If you dont have facts/stats about attacks in rural sindh which is actully sindhi speakings area then just shutup.