most powerful man in Pak cricket

So after all that talk about Youhana being too meek and humble to handle the captaincy seems to be not true after all. Looks like he wants to be top dog.

On a serious note, these guys really need to sort out their job descriptions. Youhana who should be in the nets practising playing swing bowling is instead trying to minimise chances of having to face it. Inzi who should be throwing his weight around as the team captain and supporting the coach is instead busy making cute faces and feel good statements in post-match interviews. And Miandad who should be worrying about the team responding to his training is instead happy at just being able to keep his job.

This last bit was the exact same reason why Pybus and Waqar had to be let go. They were too keen on continuing in their individual positions of authority rather than doing what was good for the team. Either way this situation is a nightmare in the making for Pak fans because we seem to be heading back to square one especially if one is to believe the parts I’ve highlighted and the performances seem to show that.

ps. I opened a new thread because I want to discuss how our team management have managed to muddle up the boundaries between different roles and its effect on the team’s performance rather this one pitch incident.


**Multan pitch mystery resolved **

From Waheed Khan

MULTAN: The mystery as to who was responsible for having all the grass shaved off the pitch here for the first Test against India has been resolved and it only highlights the growing problem of lack of communication and authority in the Pakistan dressing room.

‘The News’ has learnt that apparently the Pakistan vice captain Yousuf Youhana played a lead role in having the grass completely shaved off and also managed to convince some of his other teammates to support him in his arguments.

“The local curator Bashir Kardar had left plenty of grass on the pitch keeping in mind that Pakistan had a strong pace attack. But the foreign curator Andy Atkinson was not happy with so much grass and he received support in the form of Youhana,” a team source said.

According to him, as soon as the Pakistan team arrived at the ground on Friday and saw the grassy pitch, Youhana started moaning about the problems that could be faced by the batsmen and how the Indian seamers who were in form could trouble them if they won the toss.

“Youhana led the chorus for having the grass shaved off and having an even pitch for the match and managed to convince some of the other players to also support his idea despite the fact that coach Javed Miandad and captain Inzamam-ul-Haq kept on insisting the fast bowlers needed to be given a supportive track to bowl on,” the source said.

“And since Atkinson was also pushing to have the grass shaved off, Youhana eventually got his way and the result was a completely dry and bland surface on which the Indians have dominated,” the source added.

Youhana’s reluctance to play on a challenging pitch is understandable because he has not been in the best of form in recent times and struggled in the last four games of the one-day series with Irfan Pathan picking him twice with inswinging deliveries. “Unfortunately that is the way our senior players operate in the team. Their first priority is to ensure their places are safe in the team and the team’s performance comes second,” the source lamented.

The above facts make sense because Inzamam in fact, had complained a day before the start of the match that the authorities had not given him the sort of pitch he had asked for. “We want supportive and sporting tracks for the Test series. We can’t go in with a negative mind if we want to win the series,” he had said.

Javed Miandad also hinted when confronted on Sunday evening as to who was responsible for the lifeless pitch after all the claims of preparing sporting tracks for the Tests about the batsmen not being keen to play on grassy tracks. He also hinted he wanted a more sporting track for the match but the batsmen were not willing to support and take the risk.

**And it is no secret that since India arrived in Pakistan, he has been under a lot of pressure from different quarters. One has heard him complaining about players not listening to him on one hand and also about how some former players have been after his job with their constant criticism about how he had failed to deliver as coach and how there was no planning visible in the one-day series at all.

When Shoaib Akhtar, Muhammad Sami and Shabbir Ahmed in particular were struggling with their rhythm and with the problem of wides and no-balls in the one-day series, Miandad was targeted by his critics and he kept on insisting that he was doing his best but the bowlers had to listen to him and work like professionals to sort out their problems.

The point is that if Miandad is unhappy that he does not have complete authority in the team and if Inzamam is also not agreeing with him on everything, than the question is: why does he not step down or even make his feelings known to the public? What purpose is he serving by accepting to remain in a position where he has no final say.**

At the end of the day if the vice captain is so influential that he can over-ride the coach and captain, than it is time for the captain and coach to start thinking about the future or start asserting themselves completely.

Because cricket is not just a sport in Pakistan, it is more than that particularly when you are playing against India. As if losing the one-day series was not hard enough to accept for the local cricket fans in the last two days they have been subjected to utter humiliation in Multan as the Indian batsmen have ground the bowlers into the dust.

There is no doubt that the pitch has nothing in it for the bowlers but the Pakistan bowlers also just didn’t show the quality which has been the hallmark of other Pakistani pace bowlers. To add insult to injury, the fielding remained pathetic with at least four simple catches being dropped by the fielders at crucial stages.

So, Miandad and Inzamam need to rethink their roles in the team and a lot of other things need to be set right in the dressing room to prevent the Pakistani players from coming under further pressure.

If Pakistan's batting clicks and they are able to draw the match with their dignity intact (i.e. no follow-on), then all will be forgiven and on to the next match. Yeah, we can fault the defensive mentality of the team, but there is a reasonable case to have a batting wicket just to break things in, and let our players get some test match rhythm back without losing the match.

Ofcourse, if the Pakistan batting folds up even on this pitch, then all the dogs will be unleashed and everything will be second guessed. Thats the nature of cricket in Pakistan.

Javed, Inzi and Yoyo, all have their roles in the team. Inzi is going through a particularly brilliant batting form, so he will do well in all pitches. Can't say the same for Yoyo and some of our other batsmen. May be, they do have a point of getting a supportive wicket to make an easy transition from ODI's to test match rhythm.

If this story is belived then biggest culprit is Miandad and Inzi not Yoyo. How could they allow Individual agenda above team agenda. I fail to understand this. Looks like no one is in control of team.

well, how weird this story might sounds but if tis true, i agree that inzimam and Miandad should have used thier authority and for the remaining matches they need to enforce thier respective stamps.

All of you sound a bit ridiculous - have you concluded that the pitch is the primary determinant? Sure, then why even play. Just have the contest between groundkeepers.

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All of you sound a bit ridiculous - have you concluded that the pitch is the primary determinant? Sure, then why even play. Just have the contest between groundkeepers.
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read what I wrote. this post is not about the pitch and who doctored it but about Youhana calling the shots. and why he is getting away with that.

Let me say it again so that you can get over anyone mentioning the pitch: the Indian batsmen played very, very well.

hope you feel better now?

Redicule it all you want, my firm belief is that Pakistanis are unable to make hard, fast and bouncy pitches. Period.

This discussion has been going on since Imran Khan's days... that Pakistan should make fast pitches. At some point, they even imported mitti from Chandigarh (or whatever). Now, they have imported the curator... whatever they do, Pakistan can not produce fast pitches.

What they can produce are under-prepared pitches, which break up and get uneven bounce, giving bowlers an edge and a field day against hapless batsmen. But just putting some grass on the pitch, won't make it fast.

We can't have fantastic pitches like those in Perth etc just by importing a truck load of mitti and flying in a foreign curator. Its just not in our mitti. We are stuck with flat batting pitches. So, should just live with it.

We have always tried to save our extremly fragile batting line up by making batting tracks. Yes, I agree Pakistan can not have a perth of Melbourne pitch but we can certianly do better then what has been done. The simple reason is our batting just cant stand it. We probably have the worst batting line amongst top test cricketing nations. Our players have impecabble records at home but records over seas tell the whole story. We have been blessed with some the best bowlers in history for the past 3 decades or so and won numerous series due to their super human efforts on these dead tracks. Pakistan needs to realize what their strength is and go for the full assault. I'd rather we get all out on 128 on a bouncy tracks and give our bowlers the chance to go all out, then the opposition score 500 on a dead track and we still keep wondering if our batting will do anything.

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**We probably have the worst batting line amongst top test cricketing nations.
* Our players have impecabble records at home but records over seas tell the whole story. We have been blessed with some the best bowlers in history for the past 3 decades or so and won numerous series due to their super human efforts on these dead tracks. Pakistan needs to realize what their strength is and go for the full assault. I'd rather we get all out on 128 on a bouncy tracks and give our bowlers the chance to go all out, then the opposition score 500 on a dead track and we still keep wondering if our batting will do anything.
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couldn't have said it better myself, LM yaara. :)

I keep hearing from the ICC big shots that people want to see big totals in ODIs etc etc. I know I certainly don't want that. I would much rather see stumps and edges flying all over the place instead of seeing the ball getting thumped to the boundary every two balls. I think we've been spoiled by Imran, Wasim, Waqar, Aqib etc.

I think if you give both specialists (batsmen and bowlers) a fair chance and you will get an intriguing contest. If you make the contest lopsided, the fun and masti will last for a whole two games. then people will realize the one-way nature of these types of games and the interest will wane.

I think both LM and Sambi are talking this
http://www.gupistan.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=141977

:snooty:
Told you so.

actually f&b, I’m the one who’s making the point you made earlier. And my point is not limited to ODIs.

What LM is saying is very true as well and is a common perception among Pak fans. And it is:

  1. Our batting is perhaps the weakest of all decent test playing nations excluding Bang, Zimb.
  2. By virtue of the first point, the Pak team stands a much better chance of winning a match on a bowler friendly pitch 'cause our batsmen are always going to suck and will find a new low to sink to regardless of the opposition. So, you might as well back your strength and hope that it comes through for you. This is also why almost all Pak fans are adamant on playing a sixth bowler in ODIs.

I totally agree here.It is always advisable to play to your strength. You cant do much about weaknesses.
Coming to first point. I think that honour goes to Sri Lankans. They just cant bat outside subcontinant. They are just Flat track bullies.
Well.. After AUS series I would say thwy cant even bat at home. :p:

I disagree. Aussies should not be considered a bench-mark for a cricket team. They are unreasonable people :hehe:

crap!

These kind of stories always pop up when it comes to Pakistan cricket team. I dont know what to do with these kind of journalists. When one talk about "Whats going on in the team" in public (Rashid Latif) and resign from team all these journalists go after the player, and now according to this atricle Miandad and Inzimama are not "doing what is needed" .... these journalist are never happy when they are not get paid !!

Just wait for a day or two and you will read "Dravid declared the inning JUST BECAUSE he didnt want 10Dulkar to equal his double-100 record" .....blan blan ... BS!

Getting back to the main point, I think Inzimam and Miandad should be accepting responsibility for these decisions and there's no point in deflecting the blame onto anyone else. It's no use saying that these are made up stories when the team leadership itself has been avoiding clearing it up. Now it's not so hard to see why the bowlers looked so half-hearted. If it's true that we were woried about THEIR seam bowlers then it's pretty pathetic attitude to project as a team.

I wouldn’t consider Youhanna as “most powerful man in Pak cricket”, as he can be axed by selectors if they so wish :smiley:

This was the “chickening” behavior from Youhanna :nook:, instead of opting to practice playing swing bowling, he opted to kill the swing “roots”. Howcome Inzi and Javed allowed the curator to follow him instead of them? Shouldn’t he be fired alongwith Javed? It was curator’s responsibility to follow captain and coach, and they shouldn’t have allowed him to astray from orders. I say axe them all.

Hardly an excuse for poor performance by Pakistani team. So what if Yoyo got the wicket of his choice? Big whoop. Its not like he bribed the groundsman or something. He convinced the coach and the captain to make this sort of pitch. Happens everywhere. He's the vice captain. He has a RIGHT to demand a pitch that suits him. So at the end at the day, the strategy (if any) was developed keeping that in mind.

I dont trust this Waheed Khan anyway. doesnt even know the proper use of "then" and "than".

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Hardly an excuse for poor performance by Pakistani team. So what if Yoyo got the wicket of his choice? Big whoop. Its not like he bribed the groundsman or something. He convinced the coach and the captain to make this sort of pitch. Happens everywhere. He's the vice captain. He has a RIGHT to demand a pitch that suits him. So at the end at the day, the strategy (if any) was developed keeping that in mind.

I dont trust this Waheed Khan anyway. doesnt even know the proper use of "then" and "than".
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well said...yoyo has every right to express his opinion..he is the vice captin..he did not torture inzi and miandad to make a wicket that suits him...we have to admit that on first day, our bowlers and fielders were off-color too...every one is behind yoyo for no reason....

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...every one is behind yoyo for no reason....
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even umpires!

and as far as Waheed Khan is concerned, looks like he has a score to settle with YoYo

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Hardly an excuse for poor performance by Pakistani team. So what if Yoyo got the wicket of his choice? Big whoop. Its not like he bribed the groundsman or something. He convinced the coach and the captain to make this sort of pitch. Happens everywhere. He's the vice captain. He has a RIGHT to demand a pitch that suits him. So at the end at the day, the strategy (if any) was developed keeping that in mind.

I dont trust this Waheed Khan anyway. doesnt even know the proper use of "then" and "than".
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ChthonicPowers

If it comes to a point where the Vise Captain can over ride the Captain and the Coach.

Take it from me That team is DOOMED