Most gruesome punishment ever:Qasas

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**Originally posted by ChthonicPowers: *
The website is anti-taleban alright. But the question is are there any pro-Taleban websites too?! The throat slitting videos and pictures are available online. PM me if you want the direct link.*

There are few "pro" sites, I don't have link. The only pics/vids of punishing criminals I have seen are of either "traitors" or criminals and they were hung or shot, have not seen head chopping or throat slitting in Afghanistan by Taliban.

The Taleban were ruling about 95% of Afghanistan. There is more of a chance that the people in those pictures were Taleban than not.

Not really. Northern Alliance knew how to manipulate world using media, much more than Taliban, so chances of such are of NA origin to me.

** And its not just one or two pictures. There are photogalleries of Taleban atrocities much worse than just flogging a few women. Plus this organisation has been showing its photos in New York and Paris or some other city.So i dont think its just another me-too anti-taleban website.**

Yes, I have seen some, howelse do you think world would be made to denounce Taliban?

In Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan, maybe. But does the Qasas law have a similar purpose? If public execution is not mentioned in the Qasas law then why should it be used to achieve your own crime curbing objective?

I am not clear about "public execution" in Quran/Sunnah, but as I learnt its purpose is to kindof showing everyone the punishment of the crime so everyone stays clear of any such thoughts.

We don't really have to adapt "modern ways" of killing a criminal if we have a tradition from Prophet Mohammed PBUH or Quran.

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But how do we know that men in those pics were the Taleban?

Taleban might have not known how to manipulate the media but how difficult is it to deny linking of such gruesome acts to your govt.? They had their own information minister. They had their own radio. Why didn’t he deny these reports when they appeared in pakistani newspapers, and later in Amnesty international reports? Were they trying to look like an idiot or were they actually idiots because it certainly didn’t help their govt.

Like there’s any convincing needed to denounce Taleban? The execution in question was carried out during of 2000 in Kabul Stadium which was under Taleban’s control. There are pictures of the stadium in the background. What more evidence does anyone need? like I said I am baffled at the fact that Taleban continue to have a following.

Like I said, the merit of this statement is highly questionable.

Don’t you think there’s a little bit of hypocrisy involved in that statement? If we really want to follow the traditions of Holy prophet :saw: then shouldn’t we start by following those traditions that are more humane and helpful for the humanity? How about providing a welfare state to the citizens, instead of coming up with ever more cruel ways of getting rid of them? Why do we always have to search and find only those traditions that somehow allow us the short and a cruel way out of our problems? Has anyone of our great leaders, who like to follow the traditions of Holy Prophet :saw: ever given even a slight thought to providing an enviroment to the people where they have no reason to steal? More than 50 years now, and have we even a single sociological institute that looks into the reasons for crimes? If i am jobless because of rampant un-emplyment and consequently me and my family are starvin to death, heck I will steal. And if my hands get chopped tomorrow, would you still blame me for stealing and applaud the govt. for doing the right thing? Was something similar not going on in Afghanistan?

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***Originally posted by ChthonicPowers: *
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How about providing a welfare state to the citizens, instead of coming up with ever more cruel ways of getting rid of them? Why do we always have to search and find only those traditions that somehow allow us the short and a cruel way out of our problems? **

A “welfare state” can be established when you flourish, how can you be a welfare state when the whole country is poor?

Has anyone of our great leaders, who like to follow the traditions of Holy Prophet :saw: ever given even a slight thought to providing an enviroment to the people where they have no reason to steal?

Are you still talkin about Taliban/Afghanistan? If so then perhaps you forgot that Afghanistan was in state of war from 1978/79-1998 or so, much of Afghanistan was captured in 1996 but not all. Also, providing peace was one big achievement for the poor people, don’t you think? They didn’t get any economic or other support from world, but they did get bashing as soon as they decided to blow up the Buddhas.

**More than 50 years now, and have we even a single sociological institute that looks into the reasons for crimes? If i am jobless because of rampant un-emplyment and consequently me and my family are starvin to death, heck I will steal. And if my hands get chopped tomorrow, would you still blame me for stealing and applaud the govt. for doing the right thing? Was something similar not going on in Afghanistan? **

You are right that “chopping hands” should be done only if it was not because of hunger or similar circumstances, I don’t know how and what they did. Actually I only have heard about chopping heads by Taliban, not hands (that is done more in Saudia).

Our other “Islamic” country is “Saudi Arabia”, or as it claims to be implementing Sharia, but I don’t take KSA as Islamic country, its a mixture and mess.

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*Originally posted by Changez_like: *
A "welfare state" can be established when you flourish, how can you be a welfare state when the whole country is poor?
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And how do you flourish when your rulers don't even want to. I don't think the Taleban had an annual budget, let alone a trade policy. But what they did have from the very first day was the Sharia. This tells me that economic well being was not on their priority list at all. What kind of welfare can you expect from your rulers when they burn down public universities, ban female education and work. Under taleban Afghanistan wouldn't have flourished even 50 years from now. I am not much of a Karazai fans either, mind you.

Secondly, Saudia is not poor. Why are they not a welfare state? Why are their leaders indulging themselves in all kinds of luxuries, and what not while the general public gets its hands and heads chopped for the slightest of crimes? Pakistan is certainly not poor. Why is her track record so bad in social departments while it betters most others in defence?

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*Originally posted by Changez_like: *
Are you still talkin about Taliban/Afghanistan? If so then perhaps you forgot that Afghanistan was in state of war from 1978/79-1998 or so, much of Afghanistan was captured in 1996 but not all. Also, providing peace was one big achievement for the poor people, don't you think? They didn't get any economic or other support from world, but they did get bashing as soon as they decided to blow up the Buddhas.
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Talking about Muslims in general. So you say there was peace in the majority of Afghanistan? Why was rebuilding not carried out then? All they did was carry out further destruction and impose their fanatical version of Islam. They might have received some economic assistance if they had kept their act straight. Americans were going to bring in some money back in 1996 before Benazir's govt. was overturned. Slowly afterwards taleban turned into the butchers that they were and Americans backed off. But you know what, this is getting off-topic.

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*Originally posted by Changez_like: *
You are right that "chopping hands" should be done only if it was not because of hunger or similar circumstances, I don't know how and what they did. Actually I only have heard about chopping heads by Taliban, not hands (that is done more in Saudia).
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You didn't hear about hand chopping because when you have people being slaughtered, stoned to death, crushed under walls, and killed at point blank range, hand chopping becomes relatively trivial and not worthy of news. In case you didnt know, they did in reality axe hands and other body parts. It was the norm for small crimes.