More than third of U.S. Muslims see war on Islam

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It is easier to say this

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War on terrorism is similar to the war on mosquitoes (the malaria kind) or other diseases like smallpox, dysentery, and you name it. Just wait and we'll eradicate Mullahs just like we eradicated Taoon (black plague).
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But when the "rockets red glare" hits your backyard backhome (if you are from Pakistan or Mid east), I will ask you whether you agree with your statement. The point being that this war on terrorism is turning in to an islamic insurgency, so We "US" cannot play bringing HVT (high value target) to justice game anymore. Its not just the MAtoos (BTW this term reminds me of Latoos) anymore this is an insurgency.

I want to share one thing with Guppies totally unrelated to this thread but maybe a remote abstract analogy can be drawn.
I had to leave for Pakistan on Sept 12th due to an emergency (Grandfather 85 yrs old diagnosed with Stage 3 lung cancer). I have been settled in US for 20 Years, and visit Pakistan every 2 /3 years (this being the longest after 6 yrs). I come from NWFP and am about 3-4 hrs east from Afghanistan border. Now picture this in your heads, I am back home taking care of my grandfather and I hear a BOOOM, followed by another BOOOOOM. The whole house rattled, windows reverbrated etc. I asked (rather yelled WTF was that), the response from calm pakistani family members was don't worry it's the Amercians (your kind as they put it) in their F14/15/16s showboating over Pakistani territory, breaking sound bariers ( I think that is a form of terorism). This went on for the entire duaration of my stay, I was there for 14 or 15 days.
In Queens NY the concorde was not allowed to fly after 8:00pm, why?because of noise pollution that was annoying the Jews in Queens. The same congress woman probably stood up for that cause and stopped the concorde from flying after 8:00pm. When I came back from Pakistan I mentioned this and delibrately to a few American friends mostly Law enforcement agents (Cops, Detectives etc ) and what I wanted to hear was "that is sad" or "they shouldnt be doing this" or something that would condone this arrogant behaviour, but to my astonishment I heard the contrary "oh thats cool", "yeah we should kick more A$$" etc.. This is where I actually took a step back and re-evaluated my position on US policies (i used to vehemently believe that US and Israel were right and the rest of the world could go shove it up their favorite holes) and they are clearly wrong.

I heard George Carlin once say that it is easier for people to say build more prisons But not in my backyard. So this war on terror looks really cool on tube and the Israelis can build a wall (but not on their property) form the $3 billion that they get from my tax dollar.

Lussi:

As far as your comment about you dont like US leave for Africa, I am contemplating on leaving US (this was my home for 20 years) but I cannot bring myself to see the injustices being done to muslims with my tax dollar. Maybe its easier for you to turn a blind eye but not Verizon.
Can you Hear me Now :Salute:

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breaking sound bariers ( I think that is a form of terorism).

Oh really? These are a common ocurrence near any air force base, quit being such a little wuss, it's just a loud noise.

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War on terrorism is similar to the war on mosquitoes (the malaria kind) or other diseases like smallpox, dysentery, and you name it. Just wait and we'll eradicate Mullahs just like we eradicated Taoon (black plague).
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These cowards have never even shot a BB gun in their lives and they talk about war on terror and eradicating mullahs sitting in front of pc in their cozy offices and homes. What a joke! You don’t have gonads to eradicate Mullahs otherwise you would have done it long time ago.

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Breaking sound barriers over another soveriegn nations (that is actually helping in whatever capacity and is allied with US on our efforts with the war on terror) air space is IMHO a form of terrorism.

You make me :hehe: , Lets see if the Canadiens come over US airspace and do a few flyovers at MACH 3 on a daily basis, then talk to me about being a wuss.

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*Originally posted by Verizon: *
.... I am contemplating on leaving US (this was my home for 20 years)
.....noise pollution that was annoying the Jews in Queens. ....

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What a waste! 20 years in America and still an anti-Semite. Shameful indeed! Pathetic followers of David Duke!

Concorde-Boeing politics was mere Jewish conspiracy hatched in Queens! WoW! This brand new theory beats everything else. No surprise though! People still believe that Elvis is alive.

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*Originally posted by Verizon: *
....But when the "rockets red glare" hits your backyard backhome (if you are from Pakistan ...
.... this war on terrorism is turning in to an islamic insurgency, ...
..... F14/15/16s showboating over Pakistani territory, breaking sound bariers ( I think that is a form of terorism).
.....I mentioned this and delibrately to a few American friends mostly Law enforcement agents
....I heard the contrary "oh thats cool", "yeah we should kick more A$$" etc..
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We in Pakistan went too easy on these MAToos. Remember Malakand? That SOB Amir took innocent Pushtoons over the border to Afghanistan to "fight Americans". With What? Ghulails! Oh yes! They did carry axes, 303 rifles, and AK47 as well.

Pakistani government should have shot this SOB Mullah on the border before he could take these innocents over to Afghanistan. Those poor Pushtoons got caught by NA goons or were sent to Gitmo, if not obliterated by the daisy cutters. What a pity.

Shameless Kabuli Khans! They destroyed Kabul, Kandhahar, and Jalalabad, and now they want to destroy Bannu, Khoat, Mardan, and Peshawar. Damn idiots!

You say F16 "show boating" over Pakistani territory. If Canadians had failed to stop MAToos, their border area will be “monitered” as well. You talk about sovereign borders. That’s a joke for border jumpers. What respect these Kabuli Kommies gave to the borders anyway? Huh! They kept supporting Arrabobos to go over and kill Afghans and Americans in Paktika province. Damn terrorists! Then you have a gall to complain about American police officers! We in Pakistan are also saying “That’s Kewl”. These BeGhairat killers of Pak soldiers should be obliterated at every cost. Don’t you threaten us with insurgency! We know how to deal with these terrorist Mullahs.

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*Originally posted by Verizon: *
.....I am contemplating on leaving US (this was my home for 20 years) but I cannot bring myself to see the injustices being done to muslims with my tax dollar. ....
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Baba! Come back to us in Pakistan. But make sure you don't join Abdullah the murderer of Pak-soldiers. The idiot Kabuli Kommie Kabal! Otherwise we don't need your "tax Rupees" so please head out to Africa.

p.s. I could go on and ridicule your childish assertions. Don’t worry! I am observing Ramzan so you are safe. For Now!

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Actually the first 19 years in US I was Pro-Israeli and still am I believe Israel has the right to exist and defend itself. It is this year that I have noticed their arrogance towards muslims. Go to JFK airport one of these days and watch the El-Al Passengers look down upon your muslim brothers flying PIA. Then you come back and ridicule my childish assertions (In other words talk from your mouth not from your a$$).

Yes i am fully aware of this incident and totally agree with you that it was wrong, he escaped and last I heard he was in a prison in Pindi scared to go back to his village because he is going to get shot.
So I don’t really understand why you are bringing this up :konfused:
And why didnt you guys stop them from going, oh wait I remember it was after Pres Musharraf got two suicide attempts he decided to engage in FATA. Prior to that he was A-OK with FATA.

I think you got over zealous and missed the point. All I was trying to say was that IT IS NOT OK TO FLY OVER A SOVEREIGN NATION AND BREAK SOUND BARRIERS. This has nothing to do with Canadians border jumping or Pakhtuns conducting cross border terrorism. All I was trying to say was to be considerate, there are people (I am sure ) that live in Pakistan and dont really want to be bothered by Sonic Booms thats all.

Don’t worry I wont join any Abdullah. So your skin is spared for now(just like you want to ridicule me, but cant because of Ramadan) The Islam that I practice teaches me to love life, live in peace and harmony, be nice to people, respect young and old etc etc. I wont kill an ant for that matter and step away.

Why don’t you save the ridiculing my childish assertions for another time and actually try to answer the following questions that another guppy posted.

U.S. support for Israel that keeps Palestinians in the Israelis’ thrall.
U.S. and other Western troops on the Arabian Peninsula.
U.S. occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.
U.S. support for Russia, India, and China against their Muslim militants.
U.S. pressure on Arab energy producers to keep oil prices low.
U.S. support for apostate, corrupt, and tyrannical Muslim governments.

P.S I dont mean to pick on you or your signature, but it sounds like you are an army guy :soldier:, so it is nice to see you Pak army boys getting NVGs and other hi-tech equipment from US. Don’t forget we got all that last time US engaged in that region, but then US left, while leaving they imposed US economic sanctions on Pakistan and bled that nation economically.
Since I am a BABA and my old memory fails me, I believe there is a mahavara: Saamp ka baacha saamp he hota heh. If they did it last time they can and will do it again. So enjoy while it lasts. :mudhosh:

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Oh so now we need % to participate in debates, I must have slept in my Poli sci class while they went over that.:sleep2:

No I dont blame the Jews for the bad economy as well. I dont know where you got that idea from? :expressionless: But its ok, I understand its Ramadan.

If I were to take a stab at US economy, it is because of multiple factors
9/11, dot bomb, China being in the WTO and not floating their currency, and the main factor being that the real estate market that usually cools down with slumpish economy didnt this time. Real estate market or housing is an indicator of economy(i thinkI am not an economist though). People made money in the late 90s and then pulled it into real estate (hey I did it myself). So there you have it from a not so hip on economy fella.

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Neither are you absolutely right nor am I absolutely wrong….
I will tell you where we can strike a compromise.

In a democracy the minority section is dominant only when

  1. The minority is a minority because of social or traditional values and not because of religion (Amish or red Indians etc).
    2.The people across the globe who share the minority’s faith are not being persecuted by the majority.
    The case where these two conditions are true …you are right, and the case where these two conditions are false I am right. (Think about it)

Simple:)

PS: In essence Mickey Mouse is a better bet….:k:

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*Originally posted by Verizon: *
.......Saamp ka baacha saamp he hota heh. ...
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And you have been living in the snake pit for the 20 years. That makes you what? ...... either snake (being an ally of snake) or a rat (snake's food).

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*Originally posted by Verizon: *
...The Islam that I practice teaches me to love life, live in peace and harmony, be nice to people, respect young and old etc etc. ...
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Yeah! The same MAToo's Islam that blames Concorde's failure on Jews from Queens. hahah. What a peaceful and respectful Islam. WoW! Then people ask what's wrong with the MAToo followers.

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*Originally posted by Verizon: *
...Why don't you ...try to answer the following questions that another guppy posted.

... Palestinians ....Arabian Peninsula.....Iraq and Afghanistan.....support ....against their Muslim militants.
U.S. pressure on Arab energy producers to keep oil prices low.
U.S. support for apostate, corrupt, and tyrannical Muslim governments.
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Clearly a list compiled by "some other guppie" who happens to be follower of Kabuli Kommie Kabal. Otherwise why would someone leave out things like:

US support for Muslims (even anti-Semites) to live and prosper for 20 years.
US support for Kosovars (read a democrat General's biography)
US support for Afghans against Commies (the same commie masters who developed a new Pushtoon breed called Kabuli Kommie Kabal)
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*Originally posted by Verizon: *
..... Don't forget we got all that last time US engaged in that region, but then US left, while leaving they imposed US economic sanctions ...

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Yeah Yeah! US sanctions were against Pakistan's nukes. That namak haram Qadir Khan proved US assertions were true that we won't be able to stop these haramis from peddling nuke secrets to Arrrabobos.

We could have avoided those sanctions by supporting Gulf War -I. Unfortunately we had bad A$$es like Aslam Begum and Hamida Gul running the show. Fortunately they are gone and our army won't follow those MAToos.

I hope we learned our lesson and won't sell that bad stuff anymore and continue helping US to stabilize the world.

If we do, then no need to worry about sanctions.

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*Originally posted by antiobl: *

Yeah! The same MAToo's Islam....
What a peaceful and respectful Islam.

That namak haram Qadir Khan proved US assertions were true that we won't be able to stop these haramis from peddling nuke secrets to Arrrabobos.

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I thought that you were showing some respect for Ramzan. It does not look like after reading your above post. Is Ramzan already over in your pindh?

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That namak haram Qadir Khan proved US assertions were true that we won't be able to stop these haramis from peddling nuke secrets to Arrrabobos.

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Since when Iran and Koreans start speaking Arabic? You have gone so blind in your hatred that you can’t even differentiate Arabs, Iranians and Koreans.

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Agent Smith
To answer the question " More than third of U.S. Muslims see war on Islam".
I personally don’t see a war with Islam. Islam is a religion and people that practice Islam or any religion have faith; they will defend their faith when threatened. Some people may believe that Islam is under attack but if you look under the hood you will find that it is the Mid-East US policies that people dis-agree on.

Antiobl
We can go on ridiculing each other with you-said I said. However that will be doing injustice to this thread, obviously you and I are on different wave lengths. I quote a “mahavara” and you take it literally.

Here is another one for you. Once bitten twice shy.

You don’t get it. Concorde didn’t fail, and no one is talking about concorde failure. It is the flight restrictions that I was pointing out and drawing an analogy. You may want to re-read my post, again I am not trying to sound like a smart alec I mean this in earnest.

Actually it is not; here I will point you again to that thread read for yourself.
http://www.gupistan.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=166996

BTW I read the book that sheikhsahab is refering to and I did find out that the name of the author is actually Mike Scheuer. That quote was from Mike’s book, and he is a Catholic.

:rotfl: I havent heard “namak haram” in 20 years. You sound like as if you are berating a naukar c’mon guy he is a hero. I just found that to be cute. I hope that Pakistan has learned the lesson. Now lets see if they dismantle their “bad stuff”:smiley: and be a good sport.
As far as your comments on US help in Kosovo, Afghan etc are concerned they are valid, but you omit Central Asia, Balkans, Caucasus and Kashmir. No US help in Kashmir. BTW are the Kashmiri freedom fighters now labeled as terrorists? No US help for Palestineans.
All I am trying to say is that US Policy is lopsided, this comes across to Muslims as being unfair (and to a degree it is). This view is not just held by namak haram Muslims but also in namak haram Europe and the rest of the namak haram planet save Continental US.
Now lets stick to the subject and stop ridiculing each other, however just to rub this last one in; thats why I told you in my previous thread “talk from your mouth and not from your a$$” in other words present me the facts not rhetoric and name calling.

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*Originally posted by Verizon: *

....actually try to answer the following questions that another guppy posted.

U.S. support for Israel that keeps Palestinians in the Israelis’ thrall.
U.S. and other Western troops on the Arabian Peninsula.
U.S. occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.
U.S. support for Russia, India, and China against their Muslim militants.
U.S. pressure on Arab energy producers to keep oil prices low.
U.S. support for apostate, corrupt, and tyrannical Muslim governments.

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Ok. Thanks for the link. Man! That's the list compiled by the most stupid (in respect of Ramzan) man alive the OBL. hahah. That says it all.

This Mullah-looking thingy is the biggest destroyer of Muslim areas. He wanted to get US troops out of SA. Guess what! It is not just SA, thanks to OBL, US troops are in a whole bunch of other countries.

It is time you quit following this MAToo. His best options on this earth is to live in stinky dungeon, and ......his options to live hereafter in a ....

stinky dungeon of hell.

Looking at Palestine, one can clearly see that Arrabobo logic has been that I’ll burn my home to show solidarity to my Arrrabobo brother who burnt his home.

Mullah Umer used the same logic and burned Kabul, Kandhar, and Mizar Sharif. Then he rode off to the sunset on his 25 cc motorcycle.

Mullah Nek used the same logic and burned Wana. Then he rode off to the west on an appropriately named missile “hellfire”.

Now we have Mullah Abdullah who wants to burn more of Wana, then Bannu, Kohat, Mardan, and then Peshawar. This surely is the Arab logic of living by the tent and dying by the tent.

Thank God that Pak-army is there to stop these Arab-slave Mullahs. Otherwise we’ll all be living by the rules of Kabuli Kommie Kabal (KKK).

These Mullahs (Bearded Babas) walk like crippled and then get angry when people treat them as crippled.

So Mr. Verizon, I urge you to quit using this Arrrabobo logic otherwise you will be treated as an Arab. You know that is not a good thing these days.

Age difference in marriage
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^ Now we are talking. But before I go on does the Arrrabobo logic apply to Kashmiri insurgency as well or is that a taboo subject?
You bring up valid points.
Pak Army got involved in FATA after two suicide attempts on Pres Mush. Did the Pakistani Parliament approve Pak-Army incursion in FATA democratically? or was it a one mans decision? or was it perhaps US pressure (due to in-sufficient Boots on the ground to seal Pak- Afghan border)? I agree with you whole heartedly about the ignorance of Mullahs and condemn burning villages (not sure where that happened though). I disagree with Palestineans blowing themselves up and taking innocent lives.
I am not a MAtoo lover or Pro OBL but when I look at their issues they do make sense and expose the lopsided US Policies. Why is it Ok for Israel to have CBRNs but not any muslim country? Why is US silent on Chechnya? Why does US side with India on Kashmir? Why does US support corrupt Hosni Mubarak Egypt? and why does US support corrupt SA regime? pre 9/11 Pakistan was treated like crap now Pak is their ally. These are US Policies and they are not sound or balanced. Its not just MAtoos, its the rest of the world as well that agrees that US has unbalanced policies. This unbalance is due to the way US makes and conducts its foreign policy, this is a flaw (lobbying) that US needs to address and fix. I leave you with a poem pay attention to the last two verses they will tell you of my allegience.

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Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the Pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul

In the fell clutch of circumstances
I have not winced nor cried aloud.
Under the bludgeonings of change
My head is bloody, but unbowed.

Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the Horror of the shade,
And yet the menace of the year
Finds, and shall find, me unafraid.

It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul.
Invictus by William Ernest Henley

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*Originally posted by Verizon: *
....... Why is it Ok for Israel to have CBRNs but not any [Arrabobo or MAToo] country? ....
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Baba Ji! you can fire all these questions. This all sounds like typical arab-inspired Mullah discussion. We can talk about nuclear club until aftari (almost 7.5 hours away).

Let me ask you this. Were you ever a member of a country club? I am asking this question because the concept is very similar to nuclear club.

I seriously doubt it though based on your level of discussion and anti-Semitic statements (like Jews stopping concords).

Let me help ya! Country club is a gathering of men with certain socio-economic status. No matter how hard you try you won't get in until you achieve certain status in the eyes of existing members.

Then an existing member has to sponsor you. Then you promise to abide by the rules like not taking your lota in the club. You have to wear certain type of jacket or clothes (no Khusa, or shalwar bazi) while mingling with the other members. These are very restrictive rules that you must follow as long as you want to be a respectable member of that club.

No Arab country is ba-tameez enough to qualify for the honor to enter the nuclear club, not even Iran. Pakistan and Bharat both were put under sanctions when they gate crashed the club. Now they will be watched and given points for good behavior. As long as they have more good points they will be OK, otherwise sanctions will come back again.

So Mr. Verizon learn to reach certain socio-economic level before trying to join their party. Otherwise you will be treated like an Arab. We all know that is not a good thing these days.

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*Originally posted by Verizon: *
.....I am not a MAtoo lover or Pro OBL but when I look at their issues they do make sense

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The day OBL's rants start making sense to you, you'd become a MAToo lover.

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Fine then I am a MAtoo :maulvidis. Thanks for the country club rubbish.

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So Mr. Verizon learn to reach certain socio-economic level before trying to join their party. Otherwise you will be treated like an Arab. We all know that is not a good thing these days.
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I dont flip flop like Pakistan's stance on Afghanistan pre and post 9/11.
As I mentioned in my previous post "I am the master of my fate,
I am the captain of my soul." So I think I am beyond your socio-economic psycho babble BS. Anyway enjoy Ramadan this convo is getting nowhere and I need to fix myself a drink. Cheers

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Well now that I am comfortably numb let me ask you a question my dear antiobl mate

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Baba Ji! you can fire all these questions. This all sounds like typical arab-inspired Mullah discussion. We can talk about nuclear club until aftari (almost 7.5 hours away).
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You have 7.5 hours why dont you answer only one question
Is the Kashmiri insurgency an act of terror, freeedom fighting, or state sponsered terrorism)? before you get over zealous and answer with state-sponsered implying India let me help you
state-sponsered=Pakistan.
See you in 7.5 hrs

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^^ Welcome back Matsui. :)

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Your stunned silence is very re-assuring. Anyway 7.5 hrs are up and you are :kaboom:

I leave you with a parting thought

What a way to join a country club, I dont think any country club would allow gate crashing and give memberships, what you will get is a bouncers boot in your you know what (use your imagination).

Honor:rotfl: :rotfl: You mean to tell me that you need honor to kill people and have morals to unleash nukes on people. OK

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*Originally posted by antiobl: *

Baba Ji! you can fire all these questions. This all sounds like typical arab-inspired Mullah discussion. We can talk about nuclear club until aftari (almost 7.5 hours away).

Let me help ya! Country club is a gathering of men with certain socio-economic status. No matter how hard you try you won't get in until you achieve certain status in the eyes of existing members.

Then an existing member has to sponsor you. Then you promise to abide by the rules like not taking your lota in the club. You have to wear certain type of jacket or clothes (no Khusa, or shalwar bazi) while mingling with the other members. These are very restrictive rules that you must follow as long as you want to be a respectable member of that club.

No Arab country is ba-tameez enough to qualify for the honor to enter the nuclear club, not even Iran. Pakistan and Bharat both were put under sanctions when they gate crashed the club. Now they will be watched and given points for good behavior. As long as they have more good points they will be OK, otherwise sanctions will come back again.

So Mr. Verizon learn to reach certain socio-economic level before trying to join their party. Otherwise you will be treated like an Arab. We all know that is not a good thing these days.

The day OBL's rants start making sense to you, you'd become a MAToo lover.
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Your tongue must be browner than I thought.