More differences than similarities - :-(

Dear Brothers and Sisters, here are some deviated beliefs that shias hold about different aspects of Islam. It truely saddens me to represent their work here. As a Muslim, its my duty to expose their false and illogical beliefs! And only Islam we should follow is the Islam that is in QURAN and in Sunnah of Prophet Mohammad. May Allah help them and us follow the correct Islam of Quran and Sunnah of the Mohammad. Ameen. Read on…please. REFERENCES from their own books are presented under each category.

Shia beliefs on Allah:
Allah

1.) He has the Quality of ‘Badaa’.
2.) This means he forgets.
3.) He makes mistakes.
4.) He plans but this does not take effect.
5.) He does not know who to appoint as the next message conveyor, the next Imaam.
6.) “We (shias) do not worship such a god who gives authority to rascals like Yazid, Mu’awiyyah and Uthmaan.”
7.) They say “Ali says…I am the first and I am the last. I am the manifest and I am the hidden and I am the heir of earth.”
8.) Shias say that the Imaams are the face of Allaah,
9.) The eyes of Allaah among his creation.
10.) The tongue of Allaah among his creation.

References:
(1.)Usul Kafi- Babul bad’aa - Al- Kafi Vol- 1 -P283 India Ed. ( 2.) Ibid (3.) Ibid .(4.) Ibid. (5.) Ibid. (6.) Kashful Asraar - 107 - Khomeni.. (7.) Rijaal Kashsi . 138. India Print. (8.) Usul- e-Kaafi -83. (9.) Ibid. 10.) Ibid.

Shia beliefs on Kalima:
New Kalimah (testimony of faith)

1.) Laa ilaaha illaahu Muhammadur Rasulullaah -Alli waliyullah, Khomeni Hujjatulillaah
2.) Laa Illaaha Muhammdur - Rasulullah, Ali waliyullah wazi Rasulullah was Khalifauhu bila Faslein"
3.) - Shia ‘Islaam’ based on 5 pillars - Salaat, Zakaat, Fasting, Hajj, Wilaayat.
4.) - Azaan is “Ash Hadu Anna - alian Waliullah Wasu Rasulullah was Khalifatu hu bila faslrin”

References:
(1.) Wahdat Islaami - June 84 P1- monthly Iranian Goverment. Periodical. (2.) Ali Waliullah - Abdul Kareem Mushtaq. (3.) Usul- Kafi. 4.) Listen in Arafaat.

Shia beliefs on Imaamology:
Imaamology

1.) They believe in 12 Imaams after Rasulullaah .
2.) First being Ali (R.A).
3.) Last being the 12th Imaam
4.) Who is in a Cave ‘Surra - Man- Raa’.
5.) Imaams they believe are Masoom- innocent.
6.) They can make Halaal- Haraam and Haraam - Halaal .
7.) They can change Deen- Sharia.
8.) They are born of their mothers thighs.
9.) They have the knowledge of the Unseen.
10.) They say Imaams are higher in status than the Ambiyaa including our Nabi .
11.) No concession regarding Wilaayah- (absolute necessary belief).
12.) If one does not accept Imaams then one is a Kaafir.

References:
(1.) Usul -e - Kafi. (2.) Usul -e - Kafi. (3.) Usul -e - Kafi. (4.) Usul -e - Kafi. (5.) Usul -e - Kafi Vol 1 P225 / Kafi - Kitaabul Hujjuah. (6.) Usul -e - Kafi Vol 1 P225. (7.) Ibid. (8.) Ibid /Haqqul Yaqeen P126.(9.) Usul -e - Kafi Vol 1 P225. (10.) Ibid / Al Hukumatul - Islaamiyaa - 52 Khomeni. Hayaatul Qutoob Vol 3, P10 /Ibid Vol 2. P787. Footnote. (11.) Usul -e- Kafi Vol 2. P278. (12.) Usul -e- Kafi Vol 1. P225.

Shia beliefs on 12th Imaam:
The 12th Imaam

1.) When he comes he will bring the original Quraan.
2.) He is in hiding, in a cave.
3.) He is alive observing the world, in totallity.
4.) When he comes, he will be naked. Rasulullaah will swear Allegiance to him. (Allaah protect us).
5.) He will first dig the grave of Abu Bakr (R.A) and Umar (R.A),then hang them on a stake - for all sins of mankind.
6.) He will remove the body of Ayesha (R.A) and implement the same punished for Zina.
7.) He will then kill the Sunni Scholars.
8.) Punish the Muslim Ummuah.
9.) First kill Ahle - Sunnah, then Ulama, then Kuffar.

References:
(1.) Usul-e- Kafi. (2.) Islaamic Goverment P42/ Usul -e- Kafi P340. (3.) Hukumatal Islaamia -P52. (4.) Haqqul Yaqeen 2/227- 2/347. (5.) Haqqul Yaqeen P 361/2. (6.) Also Vol 2 P 611/ Haqqul Yaqeen - P 347/ Mullah Baqir Majlisi. (7.) Furoo Kafi - Kitaabul Raudah - P 527 also Tafseer Majmanul Bayan/ Hayaatul Qulub Vol2 P 611. (8.) Hayaatul Qulub Vol2 P 611.( 9.) Haqqul Yaqeen- Vol 2. P 527 ASlo Maj Manul Bayaan.

Shia beliefs on holy Quran:
Quran

1.) Not Completed.
2.) Has 17,000 Aayats.
3.) Our’s has 6,666.
4.) Abu Bakr’s opposed the text of the Quraan.
5.) Original Quraan with 12th Imaam Mahdi.
6.) Do not produce Haafiz.
7.) Do not perform Taraweeh.
8.) Quraan will be read/ learnt when 12th Imaam brings it.
9.) Ali (R.A) showd original Quraan to Sahabah(R.A) who rejected it.
10.) Passages mentioning virtures of Ali(R.A) has been purposefully deleted from the Quraan.
11.) There are 2,000 shiah traditions making many additions and subtractions in Quraan.
12.) The ‘Murtaddeen’- renegrades have removed the name of Ali (R.A).

References:
(1.) Usul Kafi 1:228/ Faslul Kitaab fi Tahrif. Kitaabi Raabul Arbaa of Nuri Tibarsi approved by Khomeni in ’ Al- Hukumaat -ul- Islamiyaa". (2.) Usul Kafi P671. (3.) Usul Kafi P671. (4.) Kashful Asraar P111.(5.) Usul Kafi 2-632. (6.) See Iran. (7.) See Iran. (8.) Usul Kafi - p622. (9.) Maqbool - 1067 - Usul Kafi Vol1 P228. (10.)Tafseer Ali Qummi-308 /Usul Kafi 1:416/Footnotes of Maqbool’s translation 637/ Al- Ihtijaj- Tabarsi- 1-254/ Tafseer of Saafi- 1- 32/ Muqaddamah 6 , from Tafseer Saafi P32 Vol -1. (11.) Usul Kafi 1:228/ Faslul Kitaab fi Tahrif. Kitaabi Raabul Arbaa of Nuri Tabarsi.(12.) Surah Muhammad, Ayat 9, Para 26- Molvi Maqbool Dehli P1011.

Shia beliefs on Taqqiya [concealing the truth]:
Taqiyyah (essentially means to lie to hide the truth)

1.) The believe in Taqiyya.
2.) This means ‘Holy Deception’.
3.) To believe in something but express/ say something else.
4.) They say 9-10th of Deen is Taqiyya.
5.) They say, he who has no Taqiyya has no deen.
6.) There is a great reward in Lying.
7.) They say the great Imams Practised ‘Taqiyya’.
8.) They say Alli (R.A), Hassan (R.A), Hussain(R.A) practiced ‘Taqiyya’.
9.) They say Hussein (R.A) practiced ‘Taqiyya’.
10.) Perorm Jamaah salaat with Sunni’s.
11.) Visit their sick .
12.) Perform their Janazah Salaat.

References:
(1.) Usul -e- Kafi. (2.) Ibid. (3.) Ibid. (4.) Ibid. (5.) Ibid. (6.) Ibid. (7.) Islaamic Goverment P35/ 133 .(8.) Ibid. (9.) Ibid. (10.) Usul -e- Kafi. (11.) Ibid.(12.) Ibid.

Shia beliefs on Sahaabah:
Sahaabah (companions)

1.) They say all Sahabah (R.A) companions except 3 left Islaam after demise of Nabi .
2.) They say Abu Bakr(R.A) Umar(R.A) and Uthmaan (R.A) robbed Ali(R.A) of his position of being Khalif.
3.) They say Umar(R.A) was a ‘Original Kaafir’ and ‘Zindiq’-renegrade.
4.) “Abu Huraira (R.A) was one of the fuquaha, but god knows what judement he falsified for Muaw’iyya and others like him, and what damage He inflicted upon Islaam.”
5.) They say Abu Huraira (R.A) used to fabricate Ahadith.
6.) They say Muawiyya (R.A) poisoined Hassan(R.A).
7.) They say Muawiya (R.A) was a tyrant opressive ruler.
8.) They say Qazi Shurray (R.A) used to issue judicial pronouncement in favour of the ruling party. He was a sinful wretch occupying position of Judge.
9.) One should dissociate with the 4 idols: Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthmaan, Muawiyya and 4 women Ayesha, Hafsa, Harid, Umm-al-Hakam.
10.)One should curse the above after each prayer.
11.) Pharoah and Hamaan refer here to Abu Bakr and Umar.

*[BTW: Shair30 and company: You cursed Hazrat Umar and other great sahaaba of Mohammad. Tell me something: Did Imaam Ali taught or told you to curse them or Imaam Hussain? Cursing to anyone is a bad thing, but you curse the people, who brought Islam to us, in the manner in wich it was revealed.] *

References:
(1.) Anwaar - No’maan Niyyah - P245. Vol 2. Nimatullah Jafaari./ Furu Kafi, Kitaabul Raudah :15 - Mullah Muhammad bin Yaqoob Kulaini Vol 3 P115/ Usul -e-Kafi Vol 2, P 246 Rijaal Kashsi P504. (2.) Al- Ihtijaaj - Tibrasi 83, 84./Haqqul Yaqeen, P 157. (3.) Haqqul Yaqeen , 551/Kashful Asraar P119. (4.) P 143 - Islam goverment. (5.) Islaamic Goverment (6.) Al-Anwaar un Nomaniyyah - Vol 2. P88-87 Jazaari.(7.) Ibid. (8.) P81, Isl/ gov. (9.) Haqqul Yaqeen- Vol. 2 P519/ Furru Kaafi P342 Vol 3/ Jilaa - ul- Uyoom -P45 - 46/ Hayaatul Quluub P 375. (10.) Ainul Hayaa P559. (11.) Haqqul Yaqeen P342.

Sahaabah

12.) Faathima should complain about Ali’s big stomach, no wealth and bad features.
13.) Abu Bakr and Umar are Kaafirs
14.) Abu Bakr is calf on Bani Israel.
15.) Ali is a mosquito and a fly.
16.) What did the Zuleikha of Makkah, Bibi Ayesha have, that the 50 year old Nabi got moved to her.
17.) Nabi accepted (in marriage) an uncouth person such as Hafsa. Not withsatanding the fact that she was a widow and facially deformed.
18.) Imaan refers to Ameerul- Mu’mineen- Alli Kufr refers to Abu Bakr fisq(weakness) refers To Umar isyaan(disobedient) Uthmaan in Surah Hujuraat.
19.) Umar is an illegeitimate child.
20.) Abu Bakr and Umar are worse than Shaithaan and they are dwellers of Jahannam.
21.) “When I entre Makkah and Madinah as the conqueror, my first duty will be to go to the grave of Huzoor and exhume the bodies of the two idols.”
22.)“We shia’s know the three Sahabah’s(Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthmaan) as being void of Imaan”

References:
(12.) Mullah Baqir - Jilal Uyoon- 58 Chapter on Faathima.(13.) Haqqul Yaqeen - P552. (14.) Haqqul Yaqeen - Tafseer Qummi P160. (15.) Tafseer Qummi P29. (16.) Haqeeat Fiqh Hanafi P64 /Ghulaam Hussain Naqui.(17.) Ibid P124.(18.) Usul-e- Kafi P229. Vol 2.(19.) Tazkiratul Aimma - P103-4.(20.) Haqqul Yaqeen - P509 - 510.(21.) Kitaab be Noujawanaan - P8.( 22.) Tajalliyaar-e-Sadaqaat - P201- Muhammed Hussain Dhelvi.

Shia beliefs on Mut’ah:
Mut’a (temporary marriage, legalised prostitution)

1.) “It is disliked but permissable to have Mutah with a prostitute, especially( it will be more enjoyable) if she is famous for her prostitution.”
2.)One time ‘Muta’ reward is Jannat.
3.)When the couple sit in Solitude, angels protect them.
4.)Their Speech is Tasbeeh .
5.)When they touch hands, sins fall from their fingers.
6.)When they Kiss, reward of Hajj and Umrah for both.
7.)On bathing - every drop from each hair brings reward of 10 Thawabs, 10 sins drop, stages raised by 10 fold.
8.)From every drop of water, angels created to make Tasbeeh till Qiyaamat.
9.)‘Muta’ with believing women is like 70 times journey to Ka’aba.
10.) Contractors of ‘Muta’ will cross the ‘Pul Siraat’ like a flash of lightning.
11.) After making muta Once - The stage of Hussain is reached. After making muta twice - The stage of Hasan is reached. After making muta thrice- The stage of Ali is reached. After making Muta Fourth- The satge of Rasulullaah is reached!!!

References:
(1.) Tahrirul Wasillah Vol-2 P292. (2.) Ujul - e- Hasana P15. (4.) bid.( 5.) Ibid.( 6.) Ibid. (7.) Ibid. (8.) Ibid. (9.) Ujul - e- Hasana P16.(10.) Ujul - e- Hasana P17. (11.) Tafseer Mianjajus Sadiqeen 1:356.

Other deviated shia beliefs:
General

1.) They have their own Quraan.
2.) They have their own Ahadith Books(Usul-e-Kafi) etc.
3.) They do not believe in our Ahadith Kitaabs- Bukhari etc.
4.) They have their own Fiqh, Fiqh - Jafari.
5.) They have their own concept about Allaah.
6.) They believe that Imaams get ‘Wahy’ Divine Revelation.
7.) Their Aqaaid, Salaat, Azaan, Hajj, Fiqh is different.
8.) The concept of Ambiyaa (A.S) is different (they failed).
9.) Their concept of Sahaabah (R.A) is different.
10.) They Practice ‘Muta’(Temporary Marriages) .
11.) Terms of Sehri and Iftaar are different.
12.) Ghusl for the dead is different.

References:
(1.) Usul-e-Kafi .( 6.) Usul -e-Kafi .(7.) Usul-e-Kafi Vol2 P278/ Tafseer - al- Waeelah Vol 1 P280.(8.) Ijtihaad - wa- yak- jihati- Khomeni -15/ Islaamic Goverment P37/ Tehtan Times 29 June 1980/ Knomeni Imaam Mahdi Celebration. (11.) Tafseer - al- Waeelah Vol.(12.) Ibid.

General

13.) 4 Imaams are dogs.
14.) Ummah like Swine’s.
15.) Ayesha and Hafsa are both Hypocrites
16.) Ayesha and Hafsa - Poisoned Nabi before his death.
17.) May Allaah curse them (Ayesha/Hafsa) and their fathers (Abu Bakr and Umar).
18.) Their religion of the state of Iran is Islaam and Jafaari, Ithna Ashaari. This basis is forever, and it is not open to any amendment nor abrogation.
19.) Everybody, exept us Shites are illegitimate.
20.) Nasabi group are those who preferred Abu Bakr and Umar over Ali.
21.) It is true that Allaah has not created anything more despicable than dogs.
22.) But the Nasibi is even more despicable than dogs in the eyes of Allaah.
23.) People of Makkah openly refute existence of Allaah.
24.) People of Madinah 70 times more unclean and polluted than people of Makkah.

References:
(13.) Tazkiratul Aimma P102- Baqir majlasi.(14.) Usul-e-Kafi Vol2 P337.(15.) Hayatul Qutub - 2:745- M.B.Majlis.(16.) Maqbool Dehlavi - Imaam Baqir- Surah Ali Imraan : 134.(17.) Ibid.(18.) Constitution . (19.) Furoo - Kafi in Kitaabul Raudah - 135/245.(20.) Haqqul Yaqeen 521.(21.) Ibid 2/516. (22.) Ibid 2/516/ Ilaalus Sharaa P299 - Shaykh Saduuq. Usul-e-Kafi P410 Vol …( 23.) Ibid.

General Ummah

1.) Most dirty and polluted left over water is that of a sunni.
2.) Not permissable to marry sunni because they are Kaafir.
3.) Cannot eat animal slaughtered by sunni.
4.) Sunnis created from soul of Jahannam.
5.) Shia’s created from soul of Jannat.

References:
(1.) “Manlaa Yahuruldul Faqiah” - Vol 1. P8.( 2.) Tahdhidul Akaam/ Ibid Vol 3 P258. (3.) Ibid.( 4.) Usul - e- Kafi. (5.) Ibid.

Fiqh Examples

1.) Folding right hand on left hend in Salaat breaks Salaat.
2.) Sex in one’s wifes anus permissible.
3.) The 9th act which breaks Salaat is saying of ‘Amen’ intentionally after Sura Faatiha. But this, too, is Permissible under Taqaiyyah.
4.) No cover over the head in Ihraam .

References:
(1.) Tafseer - al- Waseelah. (2.) Tafseer - al- Waseelah- Vol.1 P280. (3.) Ibid. (4.) See - Hajj time.

Our Action

Fataawa of Rasulullah
There is a specific Hadith about Rafida: “A sect is going to emerge who will be known by a bad connotation. They will be called Rafida. They will come neither on Friday nor in the congregational prayers. They will vilify the first generation (of Ummah). You should neither keep their company nor dine with them, nor have matrimonial relationship with them. If they fall ill do not go to greet them and if they die do not participate in their funeral prayers.”
THUS :
1.) Shia’s because of their (peculiar) beliefs are outside the pale of Islaam and as such Kafir’s. Hence Islaamic bonds like :
2.) Marriage with them ;
3.) Using their Zabiah (Slaughter) ;
4.) Saying the funeral prayer of their dead ones ;
5.) Allowing them to participate in the funeral prayer of Sunni Muslims;
6.) Making them shares in Qurbani i.e. sacrificial animals on Eid-ul-Adha ;
7.) Making them witness in the nikah of sunni Muslims ;
8.) Accepting their monetary contributions for the building of Massjid ------- all these things are not permissable (in Shariah) and should be given up forthwith.
Anyone who does not do so is outside the pale of Islaam and is similarly a Kaafir like the Shia’s.

Shias will deny these beliefs of theirs, off course, there is in their religion a practice called “taqiyyah” that is to lie or conceal the truth. Here let me quote something from their own books. “A believer who does not dissimulate is like a body without a head.” (Tafseer al-Askari) —AND—“Nine tenths of religion is taqiyyah (dissimulation), hence one who does not dissimulate has no religion.” (Al-Kafi vol.9 p.110) What more can we expect from them? Lying is the last resort, after that a person cannot be trusted and should not be trusted; no matter how nice or how authentic shia tries to be. I am sure you will call me with bad names, hey, you never know you could be lying about that too.

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May Allah guide these deviated group, the biggest fitna that came into Islam.

PS: I am sure, you will throw irrelevant stuff at me about Al-byht, etc. etc.(just like what you did in other posts). With fabricated hadiths from your own books, etc. Please keep it to your self, I do not need any clarification from you, as it is, you(shia) practice taqiyyah(concealing the truth, lying) so you cannot be truted. To those who argue that there are no references, look again. DO NOT disrespect any Sahaaba again! Samjhay?!!! Have a great day, take it easy SIRs.

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INteresting post watcher, I want to read more about this. are there more resources on the web?

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Fraudz, yes I will provide you with some links and everything else.

Shair, truth never dies, since you speak lie all the time, you never knew about this quality of the truth. IT NEVER DIES!

Tumahara kuch example es tara hai:

**Khuda es ke pass hai
Dundtaa ye jungle main

Bachaa baggle main
Dandoraa shehaar main**

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Mr. Shair30, garbage main girna buri baaat nahi, garbage main parey rehna buri baat hai…seekhna chaho to esi se seekh lo…agay tumari apni marzi.

Take it easy sir.

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watcehr meree jan key totay,
koee naya shair lao, the one you cut n paste is old kiddo.

Here is a shair on watcher’s death:
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mar gaya mardood
na fatiha na dorood
**

kaisa!

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Anyway, you are on ignore. That is the best I can do for you, May Allah put you in lowest debths of hell fire soon, Ameen. Take it easy sir.

I guess, what I posted about shia is true!!! Shame on you sir.

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ok. see you later there in hell. what suite number are you gonna be in my friend? hell #4? oh ok…i got it..that suite is next to muawiya and yazid’s quarter. around the corner is zialulhaq’s servant quarter. zia can be seen there looking for his missing teeth that he lost.

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Most of the points you quoted above are true, I have personally witnessed and experienced them in Pakistani Shias (and as well on this fora). I can squarely acknowledge them. For other points, I haven't read it by myself, so cant put a word on it.

So one thing, which I really want to emphasis, is that, don't quote things that you haven't read or experienced it by yourself. This is purely a sin. - a practice of jhoot and tohmat, precisely. This web stuff is full of garbage, for it does not hold any validity. Come up with arguments which you have personally challanged.

Lastly, not all shias are alike, like I have some shia friends from Kuwait and other middle east countries, they are more civilized, all the rituals, azan, salat, quran, saum are the same… I hardly found any significant difference in them. they even disagree with the customs of matam and grave prostrations. It's the Pakistani and Iranian form, which enjoy such customs.

I will keep this post for reference work.

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zalim aka nanga aka watcher. kaisay hain aap?
bhai zara eik baat bataeeyay:

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where does it say in quran to pray wearing shoes?where did these weird wahabi mullahs come up with this fatwa?

where does it say in quran tp pray only friday prayers and it will remove all your sins?where did these saudi mullahs come up with this fatwa?
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these are all innovations. all saudi, wahabi mullah fatwas are innovations because they are never mentioned in quran. they are bidats. got it

shair

Good Post Watcher.....so few replies though i guess all other shia's have done 'taqayyia'

Shair yaar, I don’t mind what you consider me. Nor I want to spare time for you unsubstantiated counters.

Go please change your dress first, then come up with something relevant and healthy in discussion, otherwise enjoy my ignorance also.

hey zalim,
dont try to change the question, if you dont have the answer. Just answer the question:

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where does it say in quran to pray wearing shoes?where did these weird wahabi mullahs come up with this fatwa?

where does it say in quran tp pray only friday prayers and it will remove all your sins?where did these saudi mullahs come up with this fatwa?
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these are all innovations. all saudi, wahabi mullah fatwas are innovations because they are never mentioned in quran. they are bidats. got it

shair

I don’t know why are you considering me a wahabi and trying to impose your fatwas on me. Also why are you against wahabis, I have no idea. Let me say it very clearly, I am an Ahmadi-Muslim, GOT THAT Yea you can also call me kafir, I don’t mind.

  1. Wearing boots during namaz, my personal view is one can pray in certain unavoidable conditions like in wars soldiers don’t have time to remove shoes or do proper wudu and conditions like that. wearing shoes during namaz is not obligatory.

  2. Regarding your question about friday prayer, personally along with friday prayer, I consider all the five daily prayers are compulsory and alhumdolliah am very punctual. All Muslims must follow that routine. Only observing firday prayer is not part of the actual teaching.

Being a qadiani, my five daily farz prayers include; fajr, zahur, asr, maghrib and isha and when I am home, and have time, I also try to pray all the five nawafil, viz; ishraq, chasht, zawal, awabeen and tahajuud.

Allah's curse be upon Watcher, Zalim, and these so called sunnis who for a moment I thought were my brothers in Islam.

You bunch of wahabi thugs have hurt us this time.

You low life scums of a vile woman, do you wahabras actually believe what this Yazid ka bacha, Watcher has written.

1) Are you bloody insane that you believe shias say that Allah (swt) makes mistakes. May you die a cursed death.

2) I have explained what Taquiah is from proofs on the Qur'an and you call it lying. You maggot heads can't tell the difference between protection of faith from the enemies of Islam to lying. May you burn in yr graves.

3) Yes, our Kalima is "There is no God but Allah, Muhammed is his prophet and messenger, and Ali is his Wali (successor). If you mushriks knew any better, you would know that it is in line with the commandments of Allah (swt)

4) Muta is proven from the Qur'an - you bloody sunnis don't know the a b cs of the quran.

5) Abu Baker, Umar, Usman, and Aisha were nothing more than thugs and criminals. Yes, I declare that here infront of all. But no where in Islam does it say to recognize these characters as an article of faith.

6) It is the ahl bait that taught you and your uneducated imams (Hanafi and co) the meanings of the Quran and you have the audacity to critize his followers. You were nothing but kafirs before the holy prophet and his family taught you about Islam.

7) You call that kafir, Khalid bin Walid the sword of Allah - so does that mean that Allah has hands and uses a sword. Such bullcrap analogies and you dare use it with us, the followers of the ahl bait.

8) You kafirs have brought The holy prophet down to nothing but a mere human character and so nothing can be expected of you worms.

9) Zalim and co - stop yr bull shit about yr fake experiences with Shias. Fear your Lord for yrself and your parents for the lies that you Lanati sunnis post. Are you testifying that Shias believe in a God that makes mistakes and refused to believe in a God that made Yazid a Caliph. Curse be upon your ancestors who gave you lineage.

My Shia brothers and sisters, I have had it enough with this unity bull shit. Look at the topics that these sunnis and wahabis keep posting - then they tell us that we cause dissention just for telling the truth.

I am sorry to say that these sunnis are nothing more than kafirs.

Ya Allah - what has happened to the holy prophet's ummat. Your holy imam gave his life and family for yr cause and look at how they remember him.

To rejoice in the birth of our prophet (pbuh) and his holy progeny is considered bidat by these kafirs who say that yr messenger was but an illetrate human. May Allah's curse be on Watcher and his likes.

Go follow yr Yazid and Muwayah you sunni kafirs - you are worse than the jews. I am now convinced that there is no unity with you Abu baker followers. Allah's curse is on you and yr sunni nations, just as it is on you beloved sahabahs.

Go play with yrself. You have nothing better to do than post false facts from yr wahabi web sites.

Lanat on you and yr families.

References are there. Call your imaams insane buddy, they wrote your pathetic, out of sense hadith books.


*V~V~V*He came, He saw, He conquered*V~V~V*

[This message has been edited by The Watcher (edited October 24, 2000).]

That's about enough.