This is just a general question to get your perspective on the matter.
It is been observed in major cities of Pakistan that you can still get your kid admitted to the best schools even if he/she fails the admission criteria. How? Simple- by paying money aka donations.
The schools I am talking about are the very schools that have established great reputation and produced the tons of successful citizens over the decades and have positioned themselves as schools that put a lot of emphasis on overall personality development and character building along with the academics.
It’s quite disturbing to see the schools that claim they provide admissions purely on merit basis and they discourage all malpractices pertaining to admissions, do provide admissions to even those children who doesn’t come on the merit, by accepting hefty amount in the name of donations.
Prestigious and most reputed names in educational sector in Karachi like BVS, Habib Girls, Mama Parsi, St.Pauls, Habib Public, St.pats, St.Josephs and few others where it is really tough to get admissions and they claim that only ones that cleared the entry tests and interviews get in, conveniently provides admission to the kids who fail the test but whose parents are ready to warm the pockets in the name of donations.
It is also disturbing to see that parents are quite okay to pay the money (bribe) I must say, to get their kids in because of the legacy and prestige and facilities these schools provide.
I feel there is a massive contradiction: at one side the schools are positioning themselves as an honest, committed institutions with high moral values, working for the benefit of the nation and on the other hand they let the morals go out of the window when it comes to money.
What are your perspective/view on this?
Do you think the schools are justified here? Is it all okay and ethical to ask for donations?
Can such schools really provide the right kind of character building for your kids?
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I think character building of kids starts from home not from the school. The situation our society is in right now shows that our parents are not doing good enough job.
Regarding your question, money is the name of the game everywhere in our country. Foreigners become Pakistani citizen by paying money and getting CNIC/Passport easily. We vote for the person who is *dheela *character but has money. In such situations schools will not remain immune. Private schools/colleges/universities are business first and then something else. No one cares about character/ethics.
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Studying chemistry, maths, stats, physics dont do the character building. However, the teachers/lecturers of non-science / non-business subjects having good characters naturally teach good values to their students & transform them into constructive individuals with good ethics. When there are few or no good teachers but ethically, morally corrupt minded, the students would learn to become the same.
So far, I knew about the bribe culture of FIA/Police. Im not surprised to know the same works for schools too. I think pre-60s Pakistan was a better country to live as I know from people because corruption was not widespread as it is now. I think gog/magog influence… or all the third world societies are a part of gog/magog.
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Really?
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The answer is yes.
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Harvard does the same thing. All their crooks…errr.. alumni run the wall street.
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^ Admission is reserved for the well heeled.
First of all kindergarten thru class 8 (prefefably hig school)should NOT BE merit based. That would simply pro idea huge advantage to kids from rich familiies.
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So non science people have Character. And science people don’t?
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I think the Public Education system in Pakistan delivers that, albeit with minimal fees and/or cost of school supplies.
What I feel is perhaps lacking is the establishment of a Minimum standard that every institution is expected to adhere to, so that a public-school graduate has as much of a chance to get into his/her field of work or higher education as a graduate from a privately funded institution. Some private institutions do deliver on the promise they make at the time of charging hefty fees in terms of facilities available to students, access to industry leaders, etc. It’s an unfair advantage, but it’s a bias that exists everywhere.
The OP does have a valid concern however, but the question, and this is a question that is often asked in U.S. as well, should the Govt. have a say in how a private school conducts its’ business (admissions, etc.)? Because they’re mainly set up for profit, in return for a better education. Do the malpractices fall under any governing jurisdiction, and if so what’s the proper course of action from past, or suggested for future.
PS: I’m not sure if the Public Schools are set up for Kindergarten till High School. I know there exist High Schools.
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I was a science, pre-engineering, commerce/economics student so are you suggesting that I have no character?
I said, "Look up at the sky’. You allege me of saying, "The sky does not exist’. I have not seen a dumber, trouble maker before. A typical star-plus female character you are.
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I agree. One of us is dumb.
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Glad that you admit.
Now, to simplify for the dumb:
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Science/Engineering/Commerce/Medical teachers would only teach the students the subjects, only teaching the necessary skills/knowledge to carry out their professions as scientists/engineers/business executives/doctors, etc. It is not the responsibility of teachers of the science subjects to do the character building so if they do not (despite having good characters), they cannot be held responsible.
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On the other hand, the teachers of non-science subjects such as Humanities, Sociology, Religion, Philosophy, History have a duty to do the character building by teaching good morals and ethics while teaching their subjects. Because what they’re teaching is all about human behaviours. And in a civilized society, teachers of those subjects have a huge responsibility on their shoulders. So if such teachers do not have good characters themselves, they would also fail at their job of teaching the right morals to their students.
One just has to have common sense to know that the teachers will only teach what/who they themselves are and what kind of characters they have. If teachers of the nonscience subjects do not properly carry out their responsibility they have as teachers, they would not be able to transform their students into noncorrupt individuals unless their students have had very strong character building at home or through their own efforts in learning.
If still confused, read my post another 100 times or till next year or keep reading until you understand the context of my very first post in this thread. I, being a very positive and optimistic person, Im sure one day you’ll finally ‘get it’.
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Were you twirling your mustache like a typical star plus male Character while u wrote this loooooooooong post?
Could you summarize in 3 bullet points
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I did my part in writing that looooong post (hoping my effort would work) because you did not ‘get it’ in my first shorter post but apparently it has not worked. Now you want a 3 bullet explanation. Chances are you’ll ask for another 8 bullets and so on. In short, you’re not interested to ‘get it’ but only here to replace the commonsense with indian star plus nonsense.
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Where are the bullet points that were requested
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Uncle Southie busy stalking another younger man. Laga raho munnay.
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Nahin beta. Aap lage rahen. Yeh aapki ispecialty hai. Aapko bohuth shobha deti hai.
Besh. Bale besh. Chamattu.
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Primary education should never be merit based. Upper level education yes, like college, but not while kids are young.
As long as you think they’re too young for marriage, sex, driving, other responsibilities, then there is no better place for them apart from school.
Private schools need to let everyone in within their district simple. Private vs public in fact should be demolished when it comes to primary education. It’s a right not a privilege.
The fact that in Pakistan it’s a privelege is the EXACT reason why there are so many jaahils walking the streets willing to do any stupid wrong crimes for $$.