Moral recession in democracies

I must agree with this mans viewpoint. Im posting it in PA because I believe a lot of this applies to Pakistan. Our so called representatives of democracy are recessive people. They are either theives, lotas, or inefficient yet the awam still keeps voting them. Some of them have the audacity to boycott elections - would nt it be a better idea if the electorate boycotts elections?

Why do we always put our trust in morally recessive people?

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2009\01\02\story_2-1-2009_pg3_5A

NALYSIS: Moral recession in democracies —Muqtedar Khan
I still believe in democracy. I think it is a great system of governance. But I also fear that today democracies are not only experiencing economic recession but also a moral recession
I have, for years, been a strong advocate of democracy, primarily inspired by my experience with American freedoms. As a Muslim who speaks his mind and asks critical questions, I am routinely threatened and maligned by those who, unable to cope with reason and critique, seek to silence me. American democracy gave me the protection and the opportunity to live life as God intended humans to — as thinking, reflecting and expressive beings.
I helped form an organisation to promote democracy in the Muslim World and wrote a book making the argument that democracy was essential for good Islamic governance. However, in the past few years, democracy has repeatedly let advocates like me down. Let me give you a few examples.
Tony Blair, George Bush and Dick Cheney invaded a country and caused the death and destruction in the face of opposition by millions of their own citizens. The invasion of Iraq was a grotesque war crime that democracy could not prevent. Over a million Iraqis died as a direct consequence of the war. Today, many thousands of children would be alive, many thousands of families would be intact, and we would not have a quarter-million homeless refugees strewn over three continents, if the US and the UK — both democracies — had not invaded Iraq. Iraqis have suffered in many ways.
Today thanks to our “promotion of democracy”, there are hundreds of Iraqi women forced into prostitution to just feed their children. They surely have been liberated.
Laws have been passed in Britain and the US that make a mockery of the idea of freedom. Discourses have been advanced that have distorted the very idea of morality. Leaders who have repeatedly lied to their own people have been repeatedly elected to office. Killing civilians by the hundreds, torturing people, kidnapping, and bribing have become the standard operating procedures of democracies. Democracies are operating as mafias and behaving just as brutally.
Today, citizens of democracies cannot even distinguish between a war criminal, a thug, a mass murderer and a statesman. In India, Narendra Modi, the Chief Minister of Gujarat, orchestrated the genocide of minorities in 2002. The state machinery worked with thugs to kill over 2000 people, destroyed thousands of businesses and rendered over a hundred thousand homeless. He was condemned worldwide by human rights organisations but in the world’s biggest democracy, he was re-elected to power. In fact, an Indian-American, Sonal Shah, who was closely associated with him and his group, is on President-elect Barack Obama’s transition team.
Apparently, democracies today have no problem with leaders with bloody hands. This moral decline of democracies is the direct consequence of the war on terror. Citizens have been told that the enemy is so evil that any evil means used to battle the enemy are justified. The continuing egregious acts of terror, accompanied by the global media which magnifies and dramatises them, have blunted the moral sensibilities of citizens to the point that they not only accept whatever their governments do, but also applaud them for it.
This week, the holy land saw one of the deadliest days in its history as Israel massacred over 200 Palestinians in Gaza. Palestinians have not experienced anything like this since 1948 when two Jewish terrorist gangs, Irgun and Lehi, massacred 254 Palestinians in a village called Der Yassin.
For a week before Israeli retaliatory strikes, Hamas fired over 100 rockets into Israel without killing anyone but providing the necessary justification for Israel whose rockets and missiles have now killed over 250 and injured over 300.
As I listen to the statements from the Bush administration, which blames Hamas alone for all the violence, with the Messiah himself holidaying in Hawaii, I am amazed at the complete lack of humanity in their response. There is absolutely no iota of sympathy or regret or grief for those who died. It is as if their hearts are made of stone.
Whether in the US or even in Israel, terrorism is not just threatening lives but is slowly destroying the humanity of these nations.
Hamas shot a few rockets into Israel; but that is who they are and that is what they do — they are a terrorist organisation.
Israel and the US, however, are supposed to be democracies that care about human rights. But when they massacre hundreds of people and their citizens watch in silence — no protests, no shock — then there is something fundamentally wrong.
I still believe in democracy. I think it is a great system of governance. But I also fear that today democracies are not only experiencing economic recession but also a moral recession.
We are gradually accepting things which until recently were taboo. In combating terrorist organisations we have steadily lowered the moral bar with which we have traditionally judged the worth of democracies. Torture, kidnapping, assassinations and now massacres have become justifiable. What next?
Unless we wake up and change course very soon, there may be no difference left between democracy and terrorism, and that will be the ultimate victory for the latter.
Dr Muqtedar Khan is director of Islamic Studies at the University of Delaware and Fellow of the Institute for Social Policy and Understanding (www.ijtihad.org)

Stop being so short sighted.

Each and every Army rule has failed miserably, increased corruption and killings.

Army does not have an interest in a stable democracy.

But for Pakistan, the only choice is a sustained period of democracy where the leaders will realise they need to rule for the people, not the Army, they will have to face the people, not the Army.

If so they will listen to the people, and better politcians will arise in this natural evolution.

This is nothing to do with the army. Where did that come from?

The only chance of getting sustained periods of democracy is when Pakistan actually elects DECENT AND HONEST people.

There no such thing as evolution in pakistani politics - I have yet to see where the PPP are actually working to get more of their own electorate educated.
When in power they dont do much, when out of power they promise a world of change.

Are there any or have there been any decent and honest politicians ever in Pakistans history?

When you elect a theif, thug, incompetent person..theres only so much he or she can do for you.

Wrong, democratic process has to take roof, let the PPP government have full 5 year term, let them go back to polls, let them rejected or accepted again. This is the only way. Period !

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The gun culture in voting lines prevents anyone from electing anyone honest or decent. And when morality is a rarity amongst citizens in general, where are you going to get someone honest and good to stand up?

People have been doing so much illegal activity in Pakistan - at the citizen level. And it takes fascist morons like Fazlullah on his illegal fm radio station to actually BROADCAST names of specific people that are doing wrong, warning them that if they don't stop, the Talibans are going to get them. Only then do they freak out and give up what they're doing. That's what it takes to get people to walk a straight line? A fascist group of fanatics? And what cost comes with that? Turning the country into pre-2002 Afghanistan?

And then its a cycle. Blame the corruption of the people on the government for not controlling them and not providing ample economic opportunity to keep people out of trouble, and blame the corrupt people for putting up corrupt governments. The only thing that truly breaks you out of this cycle, is a massive economic uplift and distribution of wealth and justice more equally among people, regardless of class. That's the only way we'd have an honest government in place in Pakistan.

Nearly every government in Pakistan has been corrupt. Army or civilian. Even if you put the mullah with the biggest dhaari in power, he would be corrupt. Honest people are running out of the country, so where are you going to find anyone honest?

Pakistan is key land territory in strategic maneuvers by other countries, who will thereby never allow an honest government in Pakistan to come to power. Whoever comes to power will be dancing to the tunes of whoever bribes them the most. Its completely pathetic. Imbeciles can't even take care of the basic needs of their own people.

If thieves are allowed a full 5 year term they would destroy the country. The so called democratic people have promised a world of change and they delivered it - they changed thinbgs from bad to worse.

I like this article as it points out democracry is not fool proof. We can be capable of electing the wrong people as it happens in so many other countries. Democracy does not necessarily mean honest people coming in.

Democratic or even the political cycle as a whole in pakistan has been going from one thug to another.

People read too many political theories written hy western philosophers from a relatively sane world and apply it to pakistan. There is a process of accountability in western countries and quite often it is adhered too. In the west people are free to vote whoever but in pakistan a significant amount has no option on who to vote and follow their leader blindly.

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TOTAL copy and past really shame i will say to pakistani newspaper enjoy urs comments
In today’s world the only political regime that is considered fully legitimate in political and economic terms is democracy. Many wars have been fought to spread democracy and in democracy, by definition, the people are sovereign. However, if a highly developed and complex democracy like that of the United States can be guided (in the sense that voters are left with the illusion that they can choose when in fact their choices like in a supermarket are shaped by marketing, political marketing that is) by those with deep pockets, the legitimacy of the system no longer lies in the consent of the people since the latter goes to the highest bidder. Hence money becomes the basis of consent and power in a democracy.