Moorish history

Qrius · June 11, 2002, 11:34am

thanks Nadia, Abdali and Dil he Pakistani for the informative thread..i always love learning about the other cultures..is it possible that i can see more of the culture..like food, more humans, more dresses etc?

thanks once again to all

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keep the info coming

Lajawab · June 11, 2002, 11:52am

Interesting...

nia_khan · June 11, 2002, 12:27pm

Awesome post

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Thanks for sharing

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Abdali · June 11, 2002, 12:36pm

http://users.erols.com/zenithco/quote3.html

The Muslims of the Iberian Peninsula, who ruled Spain between 711 and 1492 C.E., are commonly known as the Moors. They called their land Andalus which in the early period of their history also included Portugal and southern France and in the last period only the Kingdom of Granada. The word Andalusia is derived from the Arabic word Al-Andalus which has several meanings. One of them is ‘to become green after a long summer or drought,’ and the history of the Iberian Peninsula over the ages attests to this phase when Muslims ruled Spain.

In the earliest setback in southern France, the Muslims were defeated at Tours-Poitiers (about two-thirds of the way to Paris) during the month of Ramadan in 732 CE. This place is known as ‘The Pavement of the Martyrs’ and in Muslim cronicles as Balaat ash-Shuhada’. Muslim control of Toulouse, Narbonne, Lyon and nearby territories varied from time to time, as some of the territories were lost, regained, and then lost. This went on until 975 C.E.

The word Moors is a corrupted word referring to the people who came from Morocco. The Christians of the Iberian Peninsula began to use this term exclusively for Muslims when the Muslims lost administrative control of northern parts of Spain and Portugal. Later, other words such as Moriscos and Mudejares were used for them beginning in the mid-thirteenth century

hanie · June 11, 2002, 1:21pm

awsome Nadiajee…

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I always have felt somekind of attraction to the desert and the arab culture…

thank you do much for sharing

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come out, come out, wherever you are…

hadharaam nikaabpoosh tangé waali makhi…

sailor · June 11, 2002, 5:51pm

Very Impresive post.

Thanx for sharing/

*Sardar Ahmiq Singh *
*Hujra Number 4 Nankana saab *

_kashish · June 11, 2002, 5:57pm

Nadia… i would really appreciate that…It would be a great chance to learn about a culture that is part fo our own Islamic history

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5Abi · June 11, 2002, 7:04pm

very nice post Nadia

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now i will go larn more bout Moors.

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m_isabah · June 11, 2002, 7:08pm

… well well … very interesting indeed … it just shows what a .. expressive artistic civilisation they were …

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.. The architecture is soothing and harmonious ..

Thank you Nadia, Abdali and Dil he Pakistani

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Girl_from_Quraysh · June 12, 2002, 2:45pm

Nadia, wonderful thread - as always

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Girl_from_Quraysh · June 12, 2002, 2:50pm

I just remembered a picture I had of the Atlas Mountains,

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Moroccan women in the marketplace,

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and a berber wedding in Tunisia,

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system · June 12, 2002, 3:04pm

yep .. absolutely boring

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Good Mourning!

Qrius · June 13, 2002, 2:05am

GFQ, that's really neat..

can i see some more, please and thanks :)

Nadia_H · June 13, 2002, 11:10am

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Mr. Laparwa, Qrius, Lajawab, Nia, Abdali, Hanie, Sailor, Kashish, 5Abi, M_Isabah, and GfQ - many many manyyyyy thanks for appreciating the post. I sincerely appreciate your comments. To those who asked for more pictures, I will try to find some more Insha’Allah. Kashish, I’ll post my list of links in the Culture Forum. Mr. Laparwa, haha I wish I had visited Spain! No I didn’t take any of these pictures; all are from the 'net. Only the first one you see of the elderly man is taken by a Muslim Japanese photographer whose other pics I had posted in another thread. The rest of the pictures are from a Berkeley-based website. I have never visited Spain I’m sad to say.

Abdali,

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Many many thanks for the fantastic information. Didn’t know you were interested in Moorish history as well.

GfQ hug Thank you sooooooo much, your pictures are SUPERB Masha’Allah. I love them all, but particularly that last one of a Berber wedding. The dress (robe?) of the lady in the middle is stunning in its simple unique ethnicity. Will try to share some more pics Insha’Allah.

Ums · June 13, 2002, 11:20am

very nice images

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Nadia_H · June 13, 2002, 12:37pm

Dedicated especially for those Guppies who had asked for more pictures. All credit to Girl from Quraysh - I was particularly intrigued by Berber weddings so have included some pics of those. I’ve tried to give credit for each of the pics.

Here’s some Berber wedding music to incase anyone’s interested. I’m sorry it’s so short.

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a young Berber bride-to-be in her wedding outfit. Source

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Bedouin men and women hurrying to a wedding carrying trays of gifts and food. Source

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men signing the marriage documents. Source

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applying henna to the bride’s hand before the wedding. Source

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two young ladies at a marriage festival. Source there’s an
interesting story behind this marriage festival. it takes place every
year held high in the lake plateau of the Middle Atlas mountains
of Morocco… known as the Berber Brides’ Festival of Imilchil. the ancestors of the
present Berber “Ait Haddidou” tribe granted their children the
right to choose their own marriage partners (following a Laila-Majnu type story).
so each year in September after the harvest, from every corner
of the Ait Haddidou, come young men and women to choose their soon-to-be husband or wife.

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Nadia_H · June 13, 2002, 12:38pm

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this is Ait Benhaddou. anyone see the movie ‘gladiator’?
apparently it was filmed here.

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sweets for a Berber wedding

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a Berber child bride; this was the caption from the website where I got it: Reflecting the ideal of Berber beauty,
the bride’s lips are colored with crushed walnut root to plump them,
her eyes are outlined with antimony to whiten them, and her complexion is
brightened with saffron and ocher painted
in a traditional pattern on her cheeks. Her two
silver fibula cloak clasps symbolize purity and honesty.

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dancing women at a Berber wedding Source

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musicians (at a wedding again) Source

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seems to be another souq. I love the narrow courtyards.
intricate patterns on every arch it seems.

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Sehar · June 13, 2002, 12:40pm

Good thread Nadia, very informative.

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Nadia_H · June 13, 2002, 12:40pm

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ancient ruins site of the Roman city of Volubilis near Meknes. according to
excavations carried out in 1874 and 1915, this site has been
occupied since Neolithic times. Volubilis was one of the
two capitals of the Kingdom of Juba II; then it became the headquarters of the Roman procurators (whatever that means)
of Mauretania. It remained occupied by Christianized Berbers until the Arab armies
came around 600 AD.

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another shot of Volubilis.

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a postcard-perfect place called the “Holy City of Moulay Idriss” in Morocco.
“Moulay Idriss” was also the name of the founder of the first Arab dynasty of Morocco.
it’s believed that his mausoleum lies somewhere in this city.

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Moulay Idriss by day.

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love that humoungous archway. Interesting juxtaposition of the ancient
‘feel’ with that mercedes under the arch. it sort of ruins the picture:-P

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a shot of someone’s entrance to their home, i think.

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