Moonsighting Question

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its not all that simple....
many things come in to play....
when theoretically a moon is supposed to be sighted, clouds or particles in atmosphere can cause obstructions....

and its very simple according to the sunnah that see the moon and start the month, and dont mak an extra effort to see the moon....
so if u see it after the 29th, then start fasting, otherwise complete 30 of shabaan and then start ramadan....

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thanks for ur reply :)

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We should realise that moon night is the night when moon ‘can be seen’ with naked eyes after the sunset and then next day would be the first day of the new month. Note: According to sunnah, if moon cannot be sighted on 29 of Shabaan (or sighting cannot be verified by any means) then a Muslim should not fast but consider next day as 30 Shabaan. It is better (and recommended) not to fast on doubtful day (when possibility is that the day is either 1st ramadhan or 30 Shabaan) then to fast.

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thanks ^

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Tell that to those who are keen on "uniting the ummah".

I have NO idea how that "unites" the ummah, as it just further divides it.

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Inzi_rocks: U r welcome:

** Crescent_: **

Brother, it is just a big conspiracy against Islam that making Eid or starting Ramadhan on same day is for uniting the ummah (rather it will only going to make Muslim do sin by not obeying Allah but obeying some misguiding in the name of false Islamic unity).

What Allah has not decided to make it same day, who are we to do that? I do not see any problem if people have different days for Eid and start of Ramadhan, according to their geographical reality, when they are living far apart from each other (in distance).

[Please read the thread I started on moon-sighting #1. Actually days and months are very important in front of Allah. Someday if I will have time I will try to write on that with reference from Quran and Hadith]

Is it not true that we pray at different times? (when it is fajar in Pakistan, Americans may be doing Maghrib), then does that create disunity? Do we need to start doing prayers at the same time too, for unity sake?].

Unity could not come by compromising practices of Islam regarding starting a month (related to moon sighting), starting and ending Ramadhan, starting and ending ‘sahar’ and ‘aftar’ time (together all over the world) or starting fajar (related to sunrise) or maghrib (related to sunset time) together.

That is different matter that requirement of moon sighting, that has lot of problems due to various weather conditions, is replaced by scientific calculations and thus get based on ‘possibility of moon sighting’ (still, month would start according to moon, where sighting may not have happened but regardless, sighting was possible).

As for unity, we need real unity amongst Ummah, amongst those who call themselves Muslim, believe on Allah and Prophet (SAW). This unity needs tolerance and accommodation of different Muslim sects, accepting that all sects believe they are right (according to Islamic teaching and understanding they receive), and thus no one has any right to enforce their thoughts over others.

The possibility of any sect to be wrong is same, as all sects are wrong for others. If one considers that they are right, they should be able to convince others logical without being abusive, intolerant, or ignorant. If a person wants to tell something to others and expect to be heard, than be prepare to listen the arguments of others too.

We can argue respectfully and politely, putting our thoughts and believes while listening to the thoughts and believes of others, get convinced or convince others, but in no way forcing or fighting with each other, that is what the type of unity we need.

[Motto: we should agree to disagree with others but still stay united as Muslim. That is the unity we need].

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^ Excellent post. If only some people understood this....

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in the past before doing the calculations.....some people would say they sighted the moon and some would say they didnt....that created a division as well. So the division is/was still there with or without ISNA.

ISNA thought that by doing the pre-calculations they could put an end to this division not now but in the future.

Anyway regardless of ISNA being right or wrong....im still sticking to whatever my masjid and my community decides now and in the future because u cant celebrate EID alone.

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^ AE... Post #7...Paragraph 4,5,6.

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umair...read my PM :p

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AnGlE_EyEs:

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I am still sticking to whatever my masjid and my community decides now and in future because u cant celebrate EID alone
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Hmm well, since you are not bothered what Allah says or what Allah wants (that is, he created moon and told us to start month after moon-sighting and did not said to follow mosque or community, regardless of they are right or wrong) then does that mean your ramadhan and Eid, all belongs to your local masjid and community and there is nothing for Allah?

(Since you are more concerned about your local mosque and your community and that Eid for you is Eid only with your community, regardless of that day is EId or not from Allah).

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^ first please understand post #7, paragraph 4,5,6 :snooty:

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so when is the first roza?? sunday or monday?

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In ARY's program 'Forum' there was a scholar from USA, who made a very interesting comment on the calculations.

He said Islam has prohibited astrology which is based on the calculations of paths of stars, moons and planets. If Allah wanted it would have told to calculate the moon birth and announce the start of month based on that. Instead Prophet SAW taught us to see the moon with naked eye.

So those who are going with astrolgical calculations (now used in science and astronomy) are prefering a prohibited thing over what Allah has taught us to do.

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i understand what u are saying :bummer:
but tell me…what is a person to do…when ALL of va is doing it!! also when the highest authority in the USA has declared it to be saturday…what is a person to do? im asking so i know what to do next year inshAllah.

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^

You enjoy the day off like you’d enjoy a snow/rain day in high school. And, that’s what a person to do. :hehe:

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:smack:

i get a week off anyway :stuck_out_tongue: :halo:

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*AnGlE_EyEs: *
Brother, sometime a person goes through hard time regarding religion (these days are days of fitna anyhow). So, you have to stick with what is correct as it is you who will answer to Allah regarding what you did in this world, no one else. Do you want to say to Allah on judgment day, that you did all because of your local mosque or community? Allah would probably say that, then join your local community and mosque imam into hell (if they were following some other bigger Satan rather than command of Allah).

I prefer to follow the command of Allah (that convinces me) regardless of whatever community or mosque I go and pray say or do. Sometime that does become awkward but I believe that it is better to be in awkward situation in this life then after death. At least after death I can say to Allah that what I followed (or did), I did it with conviction and not blindly following someone.