MOON SPLIT - miracle of Prophet Mohammed(saws) scientifically proved.

[samara_khan]

I am sharing a mail which is quite interesting and inshallah will be a reminder for all my Muslim and NonMuslim brothers and sisters about the oneness of Allah(swt), Quraan- the word of Allah(Swt),and Prophet Mohammed(saws) the last messenger.

http://thumbp3.mail.mud.yahoo.com/tn?sid=1684114441&mid=AOdKk0UAAR5nSd7TXgRNPF3IotE&partid=4&f=620&fid=Inbox

This picture shows the location of the “rocky belt” which proves that the moon was once split.

The unbelievers of Makkah said to the Prophet(saws) that if you are truly a prophet split the moon and if you do we shall believe. It was a full moon that night.

And so the Prophet(saws) prayed to Allah to grant Him this miracle, and the moon was split. Half was seen over mount saffa, and the other half was seen over mount Kaikaan.

The people said that the Prophet(saws) has placed a spell on us, however if He played a trick on us, then He can’t play a trick on all the people in the world ! Abu Jahl said:" Let us wait until the people of Albadiah come, and if they saw th moon split, then it is true, if not then we all know it was a trick of magic.

When the people of Albadiah came they said that they too saw the moon split, and the disbelievers said" oh, how powerful Mohammed’s magic is!"
Then Allah(swt) revealed Surat al Qamar: " The hour has come near and the moon has split, and when they see a sign, they turn and say ‘this is a continuous magic’ and they disbelieved and followed their desires.."
This took place in the days of the Prophet Mohammed(saws) in Makkah.

Dr. Zaghlool Al-Najaar’s in one his seminars in a British university said the miracle of splitting of the moon has been proved recently"…" One of our british brothers ‘Dawood musa’ who was concerned about the state of Islam, the new chairman of the british muslim party who is planning to enter the comming elections under the banner of Islam, which is spreading extremely fast in the west said " while he was searching for a religion a friend gave him a copy of Quraan translated in english.He opened it and came across Surat Al- Qamar and read " The hour has come and the moon has split", looking at this he said 'the moon has split?! He then stopped reading and did never open it again.

Then one day while watching a program on BBC, The broadcaster was talking to three American scientists, n the broadcaster was blaming America for spending billions of dollars on the space projects, in a time where millions of people are suffering from poverty.

The scientists were trying to explain why it is important to go into space exploration.Soon the scientists came to discuss the most expensive trip to the moon, which costed about 100 billion dollars, so the broadcaster asked them “so to put the American flag on the moon you spent this much money?!”
The scientists stated that this much money was spent because they were trying to study the internal structure of the moon to see what similarities it has with the Earth, and they said that they were surprised to find a ‘Belt of Rocks’ that goes from the surface of the moon right to the inner depths.
Being quite surprised, they gave this information to their geologist, who were also surprised, as they couldn’t be unless the moon was once split and resealed. The rocks on the belt are a result of the impact during the time that the two halves of the moon recombined.

Watching this brother Dawood Mussa jumped off his seat screaming " This is Mohammed’s miracle which occured more than 1400 years ago, and now the Americans are spending billions of dollars to prove this to Muslims. He then said" This must surely be a true religion, and so, where once Surat Al- Qamar was a cause for him disbelieving Islam, it was now the reason for his embracing Islam…

SubhanAllah… I bear witness that there is none worthy of worship except Allah and Mohammed(saws) is the Messenger.

[Talkh-e-Jal]

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Subhan Allah. Brother Dawood Mussa finally came to embrace Islam and converted himself. Subhan Allah again!

I think there was a jazz singer Cats Stevens who was converted by hearing one phrase from Quran after he almost ran in to an accident. Now he's known as Yusuf Islam.

EDIT: I love it when someone converts to muslim and believes Islam. It gives me chills to my lateral core when I hear stuff like that along with everytime I read tafseel - o - tashreeh of Quran in Urdu. And I also like the way Allah shows people the right path to follow.

EDIT2: I forgot the name of the scientist who used to research on contents of nature and relate them to Quran. This could be a related example to this thread.

[AllahkaBanda]

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a quick response: this is nothing more than over exaggeration, the explanation is far fetched; I don't understand why do we need to do this, this is not our way of da'wah. I got sleep, rest later.

[samara_khan]

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Brother Allahkabanda i didnot find any exageration here. Alhumdulillah we muslims very well know and believe the miracle performed by Prophet Mohammed (saws). If it is scientifically proved then inshallah it will be beneficial for non-muslims. Now you may raise a question that non-muslims even see other theories like evolutionary stages of mankind or something else which contradicts Quraan.But inshallah if Allah wishes very soon science will learn and correct their theory.

Now how best da'wah can be is a very wide and varied question. I feel the good way is to talk to the person about his religion and give him logical arguments about truth and falsehood. Leave this aside i will give you few cases.

Millions of people have reverted to Islam over the years all over the world.
My close friend reverted few months back just because she use to see others offering salat.

I know about a sister who reverted because her friend use to wear hijaab and was touched by her high morals.

We know about brother Abdul Raheem Green who was impressed by the way muslims use to say alhumdulillah, inshallah, fi-amaanillah, subhannal and just remeber Allah in every talk when he went to syria and few other reasons later.

I know few brothers who converted simply after understanding and reading Glorious Quraan.Each of them has a different reason and we never know what might touch the persons heart to search for truth!

Mods plz dont edit this post this is related to da'wah and to some extent related to the topic :)

[Bigboi]

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he'll find exaggeration everywhere, it indicates to the truth when you show the Sura Al Qamar. AllahkaBanda calls Qur'an exaggeration! You seem to be tired isn't it?

[AllahkaBanda]

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^when did I say that Qur'an is exaggeration? Read carefully what I said before jumping to conclusions. I said claiming that this miracle has been scientifically proved is exaggeration as there is no concrete evidence. The "rocky belt" doesn't prove anything.

[psyah]

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Peace all

To put it another way ... Miracles are haqq and they actually occur not just appear to occur like magic. In which case ... the splitting of the moon miracle is a falsification test. If scientists can prove that the moon has never been split then for those who wish to do so can undermine the authenticity of the Qur'an.

Even though a rocky layer may not prove that the moon was split it sure does reduce the likelihood of the counter argument being true. And we wait on ...

[AllahkaBanda]

Re: MOON SPLIT - miracle of Prophet Mohammed(saws) scientifically proved.

@samara khan

As-Salamu 'Alaykum

sister, such things can certainly be beneficial but most of times Muslims (in our time) leave the orthodox position and try to stretch things out and focus on secondary issues. This shows that we've left the orthodox da'wah, the da'wah of the anbiyyah (peace be upon them). Our da'wah and battle with kufaar, modernists, deviants, etc., is on the issue of tawheed. Hence, we call them to tawheed, the primary message of Islam. Once a person understand tawheed, everything starts to make sense (i.e., sharee' ahkam). You'll rarely see people reverting to Islam after being impressed by our moral values or such. Most of the people embrace Islam because they're impressed by tawheed.

[hareem01]

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@samara khan

As-Salamu 'Alaykum

sister, such things can certainly be beneficial but most of times Muslims (in our time) leave the orthodox position and try to stretch things out and focus on secondary issues. This shows that we've left the orthodox da'wah, the da'wah of the anbiyyah (peace be upon them). Our da'wah and battle with kufaar, modernists, deviants, etc., is on the issue of tawheed. Hence, we call them to tawheed, the primary message of Islam. Once a person understand tawheed, everything starts to make sense (i.e., sharee' ahkam). You'll rarely see people reverting to Islam after being impressed by our moral values or such. Most of the people embrace Islam because they're impressed by tawheed.

Do you have a proof for this?

And regarding secondary moral issues......it is very easy for me to believe in Tawheed but being good and not to get angry is very hard.

Remember that hadith where a man asked Prophet (SAW) three times "what is religion" and for three times Prophet(SAW) replied "Good Character" and for the forth time he said "to not to become angry".

There's another hadith where a Sahabi(ra) said there's a woman who prays all night and fasts but hurts her neigbhors with her words, Prophet(SAW) said "her place is in hell".

Please read Islamic History and you'll see its full of the examples of muslims influencing people by good character.

[AllahkaBanda]

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^As-Salamu 'Alaykum sister

it saddens me when you pick an argument with me for sake of an argument and attack me on points which I never disagreed with.

1 - When did I say good character or our morals can't influence kufaar?

2 - Jazak Allah khayr for the advice about studying history. Studying just history doesn't do much good unless we ponder upon it.

3 - The proof for my argument is the da'wah of the anbiyyah (peace be upon them) and the historical and present facts. What was the primary message of the anbiyyah (peace be upon them)? Please try to read stories of reverts and reflect upon reversion of early Muslims. The history tells us that most people embraced Islam because of the concept of tawheed as it is unique. Everyone calls to being a good person. So, if we use this as our main weapon, how does it make us any different from others? and this is my argument.

4 - Suppose I agree with you, the argument is not whether it is easier to believe in tawheed; the argument is that it is primary cause for people's disbelief in Allah & Sharee'ah and deviancy from haqq.

5 - You say tawheed is easier to understand, yet you deny an important aspect of tawheed: as-sama' was-sifaat. This is another proof for my argument.

6 - In the history of anbiyyah (peace be upon them), the ahkam never come before imaan; imaan is the perquisite of ahkam. The evidence for this is the da'wah of the anbiyyah (peace be upon them) and hadith of our mother 'Aishah (radiAllahu anha) in which she said: "Allah had revealed the imaan first and then the laws. Had He revealed the laws first we would have never obeyed them". The fiqhi issues, moral code in Islam, maintaing good character, etc. are ahkam of sharee'ah.

[hareem01]

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@AllahkaBanda

^As-Salamu 'Alaykum sister

it saddens me when you pick an argument with me for sake of an argument and attack me on points which I never disagreed with.

I'm not trying to argue with you just for the sake of arguements but with the intention of leaning from each other.

@AllahkaBanda

1 - When did I say good character or our morals can't influence kufaar?

Nowhere.

@AllahkaBanda

2 - Jazak Allah khayr for the advice about studying history. Studying just history doesn't do much good unless we ponder upon it.

Exactly.

@AllahkaBanda

^3 - The proof for my argument is the da'wah of the anbiyyah (peace be upon them) and the historical and present facts. What was the primary message of the anbiyyah (peace be upon them)? Please try to read stories of reverts and reflect upon reversion of early Muslims. The history tells us that most people embraced Islam because of the concept of tawheed as it is unique. Everyone calls to being a good person. So, if we use this as our main weapon, how does it make us any different from others? and this is my argument.

I don't know each and every detail about all the other Anbiya but I know the Prophet Muhammad(SAW) is the perfect example for us to follow and his character was Quran and his character was the best of all human beings.

@AllahkaBanda

4 - Suppose I agree with you, the argument is not whether it is easier to believe in tawheed; the argument is that it is primary cause for people's disbelief in Allah & Sharee'ah and deviancy from haqq.

There are muslims who believe in Allah but they don't have the good character or may be I didn't understand your point????

@AllahkaBanda

^5 - You say tawheed is easier to understand, yet you deny an important aspect of tawheed: as-sama' was-sifaat. This is another proof for my argument.

Which arguement??? I believe in the Names and attributes of Allah.

@AllahkaBanda

^6 - In the history of anbiyyah (peace be upon them), the ahkam never come before imaan; imaan is the perquisite of ahkam. The evidence for this is the da'wah of the anbiyyah (peace be upon them) and hadith of our mother 'Aishah (radiAllahu anha) in which she said: "Allah had revealed the imaan first and then the laws. Had He revealed the laws first we would have never obeyed them". The fiqhi issues, moral code in Islam, maintaing good character, etc. are ahkam of sharee'ah.

You are right in saying that Ahkaam never came before Imaan but does this mean that people didn't have good characteristics before Iman?

Previous Anbiya were sent with different messages and worshipping One God was common in that. But please remember that there were Mutawahidun in Arabia in Prophet's era even before the revelations....There's a famous Hadith of our Prophet Muhammad(SAW) :

" I was sent only to perfect the noble qualities of character".

Hope we all understand his(SAW)'s message and try to act upon it.

[AllahkaBanda]

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@hareem01

I’m not trying to argue with you just for the sake of arguements but with the intention of leaning from each other.

I apologize for my hasty conclusion because it seemed that way from the tone of your response. I take back what I said before.

@hareem01

Nowhere.

then you didn’t read what I’ve said previously:

sister, such things can certainly be beneficial but most of times Muslims (in our time) leave the orthodox position and try to stretch things out and focus on secondary issues.

the emphasized part of my statement implies that morals can influence people to embrace Islam as I was responding to sister samara’s points: hijab, good character, etc.

@hareem01

I don’t know each and every detail about all the other Anbiya but I know the Prophet Muhammad(SAW) is the perfect example for us to follow and his character was Quran and his character was the best of all human beings.

Indeed, he (sal-allahu 'alayhi wa salam) is exactly as you describe and most of the times and first thing he did was call people to tawheed.

@hareem01

There are muslims who believe in Allah but they don’t have the good character or may be I didn’t understand your point???

I suppose you misunderstanding my point; I guess you probably didn’t study fiqh of da’wah and such and we’re on the same boat: I started recently too. To understand my point you can refer to How Is Our Dawah and Debate & Addressing Modern Contentions.

To give you a summary: I’m not talking about practicing Islam. I’m talking about what we should call people to, who are kufaar, the modernists and people of bid’ah. The root cause for our difference with these groups is tawheed. My main argument is that people first need to have imaan in pure tawheed before they’re able to practice Islam. Look at the modernists, they reject the hadoud/ahkam because they believe what Allah Ta’ala has legislated for us are obsolete and oppressive for our times.

@hareem01

Which arguement??? I believe in the Names and attributes of Allah.

so, do you believe in Allah’s Attributes of Istawa (rising over His throne), Nazoul, Two Hands, Two Eyes, Face, Shin, etc.?

@hareem01

but does this mean that people didn’t have good characteristics before Iman?

no, I never implied it.

@hareem01

There’s a famous Hadith of our Prophet Muhammad(SAW) : “I was sent only to perfect the noble qualities of character”.

allhamdulillah, the first thing in noble qualities of character is believing in Allah and worshipping Him alone and considering Him a Supreme Authority.

@hareem01

Hope we all understand his(SAW)'s message and try to act upon it.

ameen

[psyah]

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AllahkaBanda

If I have a superiority complex and preach Islam people will not follow me it will not matter if my understanding in Tawheed is maximised. Rather the first thing in dawah is to know how to listen to the concerns of others. Make them love you or you love them so they can open out to you and then you can present to them the Tawheed that you hold so dearly.

Dawah cannot be done without good character but it can be done without deep knowledge of Tawheed. It is a different matter to say that we should confirm our beliefs and understand our creed. That is true, but in the process of doing so we should not alienate others and become elitists or separatists and causing of division rather we should embrace all and encourage people to see how we see things.

The first claim of Muhammad (SAW) openly to the Makkans was that he was the Messenger of Allah (SWT). Before he said this he asked them what they felt about his (SAW) trustworthiness i.e. he asked them about if they would believe him … that they did because Allah (SWT) had prepared for him his character as Al-Amin way before his claim to prophethood.

The process of Islamic understanding is to gain knowledge and implement it, then to gain more and implement that … Tawheed is a topic not everyone can master but everyone can know the basics. These basics are enough to practice the 5 pillars and then if someone wants to excel and become a scholar in this area can go further to develop more sophisticated understandings.

By dwelling too heavily on Tawheed at least by doing it all in one go can scare people away or make them very deficient in character while having lots of knowledge. Tawheed is what makes us different and that I can agree with you on.

[AllahkaBanda]

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^Wa'alykum As-Salam akhee

brother, I don't disagree with any of your points and nor I argued against these points or rejected them in this thread. You've misunderstood me like sister hareem.

What I'm trying to say is that when we give da'wah our first aim is to call them to tawheed: believing in Allah and worshipping Him alone. For example, when kufaar asks why do Muslim women wear hijab or why do we cut thief's hands, we say to them that it is hukm of Allah. Yes, we can tell them about hikmah behind these rulings but first we need to tell them that it is hukm of Allah and He knows what is best for us. Hence, we legislate by what He has legislated for us. Please go over the links I shared earlier.

I hope I make myself clear now.

[psyah]

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^ Yes ... JazakAllahukhair

[samara_khan]

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@samara khan

As-Salamu 'Alaykum

sister, such things can certainly be beneficial but most of times Muslims (in our time) leave the orthodox position and try to stretch things out and focus on secondary issues. This shows that we've left the orthodox da'wah, the da'wah of the anbiyyah (peace be upon them). Our da'wah and battle with kufaar, modernists, deviants, etc., is on the issue of tawheed. Hence, we call them to tawheed, the primary message of Islam. Once a person understand tawheed, everything starts to make sense (i.e., sharee' ahkam). You'll rarely see people reverting to Islam after being impressed by our moral values or such. Most of the people embrace Islam because they're impressed by tawheed.

Waalaikum assalam. Iam sorry for late response .. i was a bit busy. Anyways before giving my point ..... i totally agree with you that 'tawheed' is the primary message for da'wah.

We muslims never lay science as a base to understand Quraan , if science proves the facts it's good... if not, it is no way going to effect our faith since Quraan it is the book of our creator . But since many non-muslims follow science blindly, we can explain them in a way they can understand better. In my previous post i mentioned about my friend who reverted by seeing others offering prayers. We use to discuss different religions.later she was very much inspired by lectures delivered by Dr. zakir Naik on "Quraan and Bible in the light of science", "Similarities Between Hinduism and Islam"(esp vedas talking about the last messenger), and a debate between Naik and William Campbell. May be her journey to Islam included science, vedas or bible but Alhumdulillah our target of making her believe in 'tawheed' was achieved. Is any thing wrong in that?

Longback in stories of revertees i came accross with the story a brother who embrassed Islam after discovering the truth about the verse where Allah(Swt) tells us about mixing of river and sea water. Two kind of water looks alike but Allah(swt) has made a barrier between them. I exactly dont remember that verse but if iam not wrong it is in Surah Al-Furqan. As i mentioned above each of them has a different reason and we never know what might touch a person heart to search for truth.

[AllahkaBanda]

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^allhamdulillah, I don't disagree with you but I just wanted to remind ourselves that we don't need to stretch things out because we got something far better to deliver the blow and that is tawheed

[psyah]

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^

From the experiences I have with regards to dawah is that when someone asks a question they often want to know or clarify what they are hearing in the media. So da’iees need to be particularly tactful when it comes to answering those questions. Sometimes denying it all makes people think we are brainwashed or conspiracy theorists.

Some people ask about God, those especially who are atheist and believe in evolution tend to bring the God arguments.

Christians look for being saved and character they want to see how it all fits together they seem to be quite perplexed. Tawheed helps them in this but also bringing compassion to them helps them to open out.

Different people will look for different things. There was one person who already knew that we believe in One God, but was trying the emotional argument about ‘why there is suffering’ and when I explained he walked away fairly content with the explanation, he had no more questions. If we serve the public with their needs assess each individual for their specific need and deliver accordingly we will far more efficient at dealing with the dawah topic.

From an outsider to the Christian faith I observe the missionaries always use the same approach … that we are sinful and do not deserve to go to paradise and hence can only do so because Jesus (AS) died for our sins. This is the same approach all the time and I feel people will begin to think that they are simply given a programme to follow and they do so mindlessly, but to adopt the stance of serving your questionner in a way that stimulates him/her that is better dawah.

Find out as quickly as you can what is the orientation of the person, are they emotionally inclined? literally? logically? and so on. Are they into miracles? Are they into science? Are they into political harmony? Then cater for their needs. And invite them with smiles and treat them like bretheren … they would not be put on the path to seeking your guidance if it were not for that tawfiq given to them by Allah (SWT).

[AllahkaBanda]

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^Wa'alaykum As-Salam

I agree and this is all part of fiqh of da'wah; however, we need to understand that everything boils down to how we perceive and understand things. Do we understand them using our limited intellect and using our inconsistent set of rules/laws or do we understand them how our Lord wants to understand them!? Shaykh Salem said in of his talks on paltalk:

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Let say that the kaafir in question is asking such questions for clarifications on Islam:
1). How could a Kaafir understand the basic Sharia' rulings when he is not even a Muslim. It is not possible for him to understand the reasoning behind it since the first thing is required , is the belief in Allah and it is Allah that has brought this rule

2). Would clarifications of such questions help the Kaafir embrace Islam, he might have a list of such questions, if you explain one , he will bring another question along with his own arguments. Even if you convince him of the reasoning behind the rulings, it would help him in embracing Islam.

3). In order to invite the Kaafir, it is best to tell him in a polite manner, "I understand that you have issues with certain Islamic Rulings but firstly delving into the why such rulings are in place etc. First a person should understand why do Muslims believe in such rulings, and on what basic premise such rulings are derived. So let us tackle the Primary Issue of Tawheed (Monotheism) and then later on we can tackle the Secondary issues such as the young age marriage rulings etc.
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We need to understand that the reality behind the questions by kufaar is that they are not questioning the sharee' ahkam, rather they are questioning Allah and what He has legislated for us. Hence, when we're questioned by people, we need to explain to them that how they look at things is flawed and has no basis in reality. Thus, we focus on tawheed instead of just explaining them the hikmah, which doesn't solve the problem most of the times.

I'll try to my best to show what I've been trying to say in the liberty thread, insha'Allah

[hareem01]

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@AllahkaBanda

I apologize for my hasty conclusion because it seemed that way from the tone of your response. I take back what I said before.

then you didn’t read what I’ve said previously:

the emphasized part of my statement implies that morals can influence people to embrace Islam as I was responding to sister samara’s points: hijab, good character, etc.

Indeed, he (sal-allahu 'alayhi wa salam) is exactly as you describe and most of the times and first thing he did was call people to tawheed.

I suppose you misunderstanding my point; I guess you probably didn’t study fiqh of da’wah and such and we’re on the same boat: I started recently too. To understand my point you can refer to How Is Our Dawah and Debate & Addressing Modern Contentions.

To give you a summary: I’m not talking about practicing Islam. I’m talking about what we should call people to, who are kufaar, the modernists and people of bid’ah. The root cause for our difference with these groups is tawheed. My main argument is that people first need to have imaan in pure tawheed before they’re able to practice Islam. Look at the modernists, they reject the hadoud/ahkam because they believe what Allah Ta’ala has legislated for us are obsolete and oppressive for our times.

so, do you believe in Allah’s Attributes of Istawa (rising over His throne), Nazoul, Two Hands, Two Eyes, Face, Shin, etc.?

no, I never implied it.

allhamdulillah, the first thing in noble qualities of character is believing in Allah and worshipping Him alone and considering Him a Supreme Authority.

ameen

You’re talking about Aqeedah here not Iman.

The hadith says “religion is good chraacter and good character is not to get angry”…believing alone in Allah for a da’ee is not enough. You have to have the morals and manners and politeness to call others to tawhid or Islam or even to your own salafi group. Salafis who claim to be daa’ees are so harsh and angry all the time, that’s what put me off and i stopped listening to salafi/wahabi preachers. They stress on Aqeedah all the time and not enough emphasis on iman and character. Sorry to upset you but this is what i think of you guys. You guys are good but need to work hard on your ikhlaq.