Mola e kainat ???

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as sallaam o alaikum

i dont know what kainat means but can it be linked to aalameen?

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Kainaat is Universe which is equal to aalameen.

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Peace Pagluu,

What this verse 5:55 have to do with word ‘Mola-e-kainaat’?

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Bottom line
As per shia beliefs as per this verse Rasool Allah(SAW) was ordered to decleare:
“For whoever I am his Leader (mawla), 'Ali is his Leader (mawla).”

and further:

     "Today I have perfected your religion and completed my favour upon you, and I was satisfied that Islam be your religion." (Qur'an 5:3)
     Shia also believe that "The above verse clearly indicates that Islam without clearing up matter of leadership after Prophet [s] was not complete, and completion of religion was due to announcement of the Prophet's immediate successor.
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:hmmm:

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5:67 and 5:3 are the main two verses of Ghadir. Here is a detailed study of the verses; http://www.ziaraat.com/events/eidghadeer/ayatulghadir.pdf

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Wasalam LK,

Verse 55 of Al Maeda is;

إِنَّمَا وَلِيُّكُمُ اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُوا الَّذِينَ يُقِيمُونَ الصَّلَاةَ وَيُؤْتُونَ الزَّكَاةَ وَهُمْ رَاكِعُونَ {55}

Many of the classic Sunni theologians/historians have recorded and explained the descent of the verse. For some references you may see: http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter3/5.html

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:jazak: Will get back to you once I read both :). Oky the link of your post #26 is not working at my side.

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That will be good. The down side is that the first document does not have proper table of contents. The one that they have has been put right at the end for some reason and that too without the related page numbers.

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It is working fine for me. Anyway here is an alternate link: http://www.al-islam.org/Verses_of_ghadir/

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Peace Paglu

Events related to Ghadir refer to decision of Prophet SAW for appointment of Hazrat Ali as leader of Muslims, so that justify using terminology of Ameer ul Momineen. In my opinion Mola e Ka’inat (if we translate it as Lord of the universe) is only attributable to Allah.

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That reference was in reference to post # 24. For the world Maula/Wali you can refer to the 2nd reference I posted in post # 27.

Word Maula has many meanings but generally it is used to indicate authority. It is obvious that Allah (swt) is the Master of all things and He is the only and the ultimate authority. However when Muhammad (saww) said he is our mawla, and then Ali is our mawla too, this is not equating it with the fact that Allah (swt) is the Master of all things. This means they are the masters, as masters are to students, that they are the guides to Islam. For example, it is common for us to address a senior teacher as ‘mawlai’ in Arabic. In Urdu I suppose it is akin to a servant calling his mater ‘maalik’ despite al-Malik obviously being the attribute of Allah (swt). Anyway, if you want to study the grammar of the word then it is discussed in Al Mizan: http://www.shiasource.com/al-mizan/self/tafsir-5-55-56/. I will quote you a passage.

"QUR’AN: Only Allah is your Guardian and His Messenger and those who believe: ar-Raghib has said in his Mufradatu’l-Quran: “al-wilayah” and “at-tawallah” denote that two or more things are so positioned as nothing extraneous comes between them. Metaphorically it is used to indicate proximity in place, or affinity, or friendship, and in help, or in belief al-wilayah is help, and/or management of affairs. It has been said that al-walayah and al-wilayah both are one like al-dalalah and al-dilalah and it really means management of affairs; and al-waliyy add al-mawla denote this meaning, and both are used as nomen agentis, i.e. guardian/manager; and as nomen patientis, i.e. one whose affairs are managed. A believer is called waliyy of Allah, but nowhere is he referred to as mawla of Allah; while Allah is called waliyy of the believers, as well as their mawla.

Further he says: “They say, tawalli when used without any preposition, gives the meaning of wilayah, indicating that it is related to the nearest objective; they say, 'I turned my ears/eyes/face to so and so. Allah says: …so We shall surely turn thee to a qiblah which thou shall be pleased with; turn then thy face towards the Sacred Mosque; and wherever you are, turn your faces towards it,… (2:144); but when it is followed by preposition min (from) clearly or implied, it means turning away and leaving the proximity.”

Apparently, man perceived the proximity (pointed to by wilayah first of all physically in bodies and their places and times; then it was borrowed for immaterial nearness, opposite to the abovementioned idea. We know that primitive man began his perceptive journey with the material things perceived through the five senses and was involved with them long before thinking about rational propositions and immaterial ideas and their related things.

When wilayah - a special proximity - is affected in spiritual/ immaterial affairs, it follows that Analyst has a right and an authority over the mawla, which others do not have (except through him). All such managerial aspects that may be delegated to another will automatically be taken over by the waliyy e.g. the waliyy of a deceased person. The estate, which the deceased used to manage by right of ownership, his heir, has the right to manage it by wilayah of inheritance. Likewise, the guardian of a minor manages that minor’s financial affairs by wilayah of guardianship; and the helper manages the affairs of the helped one strengthening him in his defense; and Allah is the Guardian (waliyy) of His servants and manages their affairs in this world and the hereafter ? there is no guardian except Him. So Allah is the Guardian of the believers, inasmuch as He manages the affairs of their religion through guiding, calling, and helping them and so on. And the Prophet is the Guardian of the believers inasmuch as he has the authority to decide between them, for them and against them through legislation and judgment. Likewise, the hakim (ruler, judge) is the guardian of the people over whom he rules within his jurisdiction. The same is the case with other examples of wilayah, like that of emancipation, covenant, protection, neighborhood and divorce; similarly, the wilayah of a cousin, of love and of a designated successor, and so on.

Also, His word: they shall turn (their) backs to you (33:15), i.e. they shall turn their backs towards the war and ignore its demands.

And His word: you turned back (5:92), i.e. you turned away from accepting it; you faced its opposite direction by turning away from it.

In short, looking at wilayah in its different usages, we get the meaning of a sort of proximity that gives its subject some authority of management and possession of planning.

Looking at the context of the verse under discussion: “Only Allah is your Guardian and His Messenger and those who believe”, we find that the meaning of wilayah (guardianship) for all the guardians is the same, because “Allah, His Messenger and the believers”, have all been ascribed to one word: “your Guardian”, and clearly guardianship of each has the same meaning. This is also supported by the clause at the end of the second verse: then surely the party of Allah are they that shall be triumphant, as it indicates or clearly shows that all the guardians are the party of Allah, because they are under His Guardianship; thus the guardianship of the Messenger and of those who believe sprout from the root of Allah’s Guardianship."

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Peace Pagluu

Thanks for sharing all the information, but I don’t have any issue for using word ‘Maula’ / ‘Waliyullah’ for Hazrat Ali in the contest referred above. All I want to say that using Maula with Kainaat (Maula-e- kainaat) seems inappropriate for any human.

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Nice discussion.

Is it possible that we get actual interpretation of what this Maula e kainaat mean from classical shia sources? this is important that we ask for shia interpretation from classical source as other wise interpretations can vary according to audience and situations. :)

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وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَاكَ إِلَّا رَحْمَةً لِلْعَالَمِينَ
[21:107] And We have not sent you but as a mercy to the worlds.

From Shia perspective, Prophet (saww) is the source of mercy and guidance for not just this world but 'aalamin' (the worlds, or in Urdu 'Kainaat'). His authority encompasses all that has been created by Allah in the whole universe. We believe that after the Prophet his legatee, wasi, successor was Ali Ibne Abi Talib. He was a guide and Imam for all the creations of Allah (swt) encompassing all the 'aalamin'. Therefore such a way of address (Maula e Kainaat) would be very much natural and in line with our beliefs. There is abundance of Imami literature on this and if you wish then I can direct you towards a few of the classic sources from Ahlul Bayt to look at.

We all agree that Fatima Zahra (sa) had the title of Syedatul Nissail 'Aalamin' (Chief of the women of the worlds).

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Off topic but just to add to above. Prophet saww announced the successorship of Imam Ali at the first call of Islam when the verse of Zul Asheera was revealed “And warn thy nearest relations.” (26:214). In Tabari’s account of the feast of Zul Asheera you will find the exact announcement which was met by Abu Lahab mocking Abu Talib that Mohammad saww was ordering the later to obey his own son! Idea of the family of the Prophet saww having a religious perogative over the rest is a reoccurring theme in both the Quran and the seerat of the Prophet saww. Towards the end of Prophetic mission, at Ghadir, Prophet saww formalized the announcement and as a result allegiance was paid to Imam Ali which is again recorded by the likes of Imam Ahmad Ibne Hanbal, Tabari, Al Raazi etc. That was the ‘day’ that verse 5:3 mentions as the ‘day’ when the religion was perfected.

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That's hardly any justification for denying it. It does not matter how one FEELS.

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Peace Khoji

I'm not denying. If I totally denied it, I didn't indulge in discussion for knowing what is the concept behind it.

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Safar taweel hay...raah e nijaat chohti hay
Bara Ali ka zikr.....aur hayat chohti hay
Ali ko kaisay mein mola e kainaat kahon
Bara hay naam e Ali...kainat chohti hai