Anyways I guess he always seemed to be an honest person, always wanted to end the match fixing crisis and due to that put his position in the side in jeopardy, but I really coudn't undertand his actions last year when he accused the team for match fixing and said that he has evidence but then later failed to provide any evidence. I agree that alot of people felt after that 4th ODI of Indo-Pak series in Paksitan, last year that there was something wrong, not becasue pakistan lost a match which they should have won but due to some strange tactics employed during fielding when india lost 5 wickets and were on the verge of series defeat. But seriously it is really painful to see when such a genuiine talent go waste ,whether its rashid, akhtar or basit
I was just about to say the same thing, how is critisizing Moin or Latif going to help the future of Pakistans WK’s, like I said earlier Akmal is the one we have to appreciate right now, but we cant give up on the domestic Games.
In fact we should always be on the lookout for a backup, and also I have to say that inspite of performance, age definitely should be a consideration for selection when playing for the nation, nahin tou we would still have players like kirmani from the 70/80’s and Engineer from 60/70’s or Taslim Arif from the 70/80’s or even maybe Imtiaz Ahmed Sahab from the 60’s, just because they could STILL keep wickets!!!.
The youth should always be given the proper opportunity, otherwise we (India/Pakistan)are going to be nothing but a Nation of retired wannabe’s who just dont want to give up the lime light. Which knowing the political clout of our nations Politicians is a very much possible scenario.
So close yet so far. Thats what moin must have been thinking. I feel sorry for him, he has been a great servant of the Pakistan cricket. A true man of crises.
I know that kamran akmal should be the first choice keeper. Although at times he seems ordinary behind the stupms and then at his best he looks very clean and I agree if you want to groom young players and build their confidence, you have to be consistent in their selection. But having said that I don't know why I wanted to see moin back in the side. There is no way anyone can say that he didn't deserve a chance. Alot of people at this stage usually give up, but moin being a fighter gave his best in the domestic season but couldn't do anything about something whiich is beyond his control, his age. And that made me think is age really such a huge factor specially when some one is in good form. There are so many examples of aged players in cricket right now. Brian Lara is at the top of his form these days, he is 36, jayasuria is also 36. We all have seen the remarkable comeback of Mcgrath who is 35, warne is 35. Thorpe is 35. We have inzi who is 35 and arshad khan in our side who is 34. So is age really a criteria or its just that PCB people don't want to give moin khan, a 33 years old, one more chance
Waheed Khan writing for The News, extracts from the article:
"The interesting thing is that Moin apart from being a specialist keeper also performed admirably well as a top order batsman for PIA and Karachi in the just concluded domestic season and his overall tally of runs in first class matches matched infact were better than those of Bazid.
While Bazid got a total of 546 runs in nine first class games and 14 innings at an average of 42 and this included one big score of 300 not out against Hyderabad, Moin scored 730 runs in 12 matches and 17 innings at an average of 45.62 with three hundreds and he got two other hundreds in the Patrons Cup and Twenty20 Cup".
There is something fundamentally wrong with our system, once a player is dumped, he has to stay dumped unless he has friends like Rashed Latif who puts their career on the line to have Inzi back in the side simply bcose they are honest and professional players with no hidden agenda…
very pathetic decision by the PCB to bring in bazid instead of moin. moins’ been a dedicated servant of PCB and pakistan for a long time, a true fighter. his domestic performance of late is fantastic and def should have been in the squad for the windies tour. PCB is full of losers
The ‘Type’ of politics or the ‘Attitude’ your refering here was perhaps the “Open anger” towards Moin & Rashid and few other fielders who were responsible for ‘Drop catches’ off his bowling many a times, quite rightly he use to have few words to say to them (and it was always in the dressing room) to avoid embarrasing the ‘fellow’ player or the skipper in public.
Moin & Rashid were the best. Its irrelevant & history now.
Encourage Kamran now. He shows potential and a fearless mindset.
Bob Woolmer has said selecting Rashid Latif or Moin Khan would be a backward step. Quite right too. So they can hit all the centuries they want, won't make a difference. What's the point of selecting Moin and play him for a couple of years while Akmal rots in the wilderness? Get over the past. Look forward and give the youngsters a chance.
Wow, so easy for you to say that it wont make a difference how well they perform now and they can hit as many centuries they want. It appears like you don’t believe in comeback. So thats mean if players like lara, mcgrath, warne jayasuria, thorpe (all aged players) couldn’t perform for a while then they should rot in wilderness. My friend this thing usually happens in pakistan and india when we so easily forget people who were once heroes for us. We become so mean when they are down as if we don’t ever want to see them again in the side. Moin khan has been a wonderful servant of our cricket team and if he wants to comeback then i say he deserves one. What kind of a critieria is that where a player who is 33 years old is declared unfit for the job when he is performing. Moin was so ready for comeback and he was included in the provsional side as well which was announced on April 30 but between then and may 1st something happened and his name was ommitted and rest of the side remianed the same. Wasim bari, the clown came up with this higly ridiculous excsue that moin’ name was never included in the provisional side. Some one should ask this dopehead that if moin’s name was not there then why in the hell all media was praising moin’s comeback on april 30 and may 1st, because his name was there in the provisional side announced by PCB. If age is the criteria what the hell is 34 years old arshad khan doing in the team. Moin khan had a bad patch and who knows if given a chance he will starting doing miracles which he used to do with bat. I hope we have not forgotten what a man of crises he was in the middle and late order. I agree that young players should be encouraged but that doesn’t mean tht you throw senior pplayers in trash. Is has been our history that we tend to forget those who have served for the country specially when they are at the end of their career… ooops sorry I mean when they are OLD . I wonder why we didn’t do that with inzi when he became old in 2003 (33 yeras old) and was dropped from the side. I thank god that didnt happen although it was possible, you never know when the Gods sitting in the PCB decides to end a player’s career.
First of all Moin’s name was not in any provisional side. That list you and the rest of the world saw was the squad for the Sheikh Zayed cup which featured Moin. It was a blunder on PCB’s part that the squad for that cup was mistaken for the WI tour squad.
Secondly, like you said Moin has been a great servant of Pak cricket but his time is over. Ek player ko kitna khainch lo gay?? Now it’s time for the younger players. You think it would be fair on Akmal if he was dropped for 3 years then when Moin finally retires, you drag him back in the team. Half his career would have been wasted by then! We are planning long term and need to develop a young nucleus for the squad for the future of Pak cricket. Arshad Khan is just a bowler picked because an off spin option was needed. There is no younger substitute for him. And even now, I would hardly call his place permanent. The other players you mentioned like Inzi, well there was no replacement for Inzi. Not the case with Moin, we have Akmal who can do the job equally as good if not better than Moin. Just give him a chance.
Also, our domestic circuit is of pretty low standards, I wouldn’t take it too seriously. Kal ko if Miandad starts playing and making big scores would he also make a comeback?? If batsmen like Hafeez and Farhat are the best on the domestic circuit, then we have a long way to go.
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First of all Moin’s name was not in any provisional side. That list you and the rest of the world saw was the squad for the Sheikh Zayed cup which featured Moin. It was a blunder on PCB’s part that the squad for that cup was mistaken for the WI tour squad.**
Moin khan was in the provional squad. There was a provsional side announced by PCB on April 30th. there was no team announced for sheih zyed cup. It was an unofficial tournament and the team was not selected by PCB for it. I don’t know where you were on april 30th or you probably didn’t check diffeent websites which were praising moin’s return. I would suggest you should check out these following links: http://content.cricinfo.com/pakistan/content/story/208367.html http://content.cricinfo.com/pakistan/content/story/208486.html
If you checkout the first mentioned link you will see that there are names of the 17 players, including yasir hameed, shabir ahmed, shahid nazir, danish kineria. If you are thinking that it was the squad for sheikh zyed then where were thses players during the cup. I watched all the matches and didn’t see any one of them becuase they never went there. Wasim bari the idiot himself said that they did announced the provisional side which was sent to PCB adhoc committee for final approval.
You said that it will be unfair to drop akmal and pick up moin and then akmal has to wait for 2-3 years to get back. So what. This is cricket and there is always competition. This is not a logic that although moin the experienced player has 2-3 years of cricket left but he should be not selected because we want to pick a young players and moin is too old. I hope they don’t start applying this logic for yours with every player (like you said Ek player ko kitna khainch lo gay??) other wise they will start dropping every player ahead of time atleast 2-3 years.
What do you think there won’t have any talneted wicket keeper in the domestic circuit after three years??? Suppose akmal is dropped today he can always come back by outperforming moin, but unfortunately they don’t want to give moin a chance. As far as your comment that his time is over, says who? Moin scored 730 runs in 12 matches this domestic season at an average of 45.62 but then again accordin to you who cares about the domestic season in Pakistan. Well FYI, kamran akmal and other players normally comes to the side from the same domestic cricket in pakistan and not from any where else in the world. So if the domestic cricket is crapy then what is kamran akmal doing in the side. %between%
Yes, Moin should have been given a chance, but Woolmer likes Akmal and wants to persist with him. And we can't have two wicketkeepers in the squad so the axe fell on poor Moin. Moin's experience would've come in handy in WI.
Moin vs Akmal
Selection should be based on merit. Objective of selecting the best professional players available is to do the job right and encourage healthy competition. If Moin Khan is that players then he deserved to be in the squad by quite a distance. Lame excuses of looking at the future and forget the past support cronyism and favoritism. If a xyz (Akmal) player feels his place is secure no matter what his competition does, then that xyz player has no incentive to improve or raise standard of his game and will be at the total mercy of coach and captain for his selection...not very professional or smart....
Akmal is a lousy wicket keeper. At this level of the game you cannot afford to give players chances when they have such deficient skill sets.
By not respecting individual performances in domestic cricket, we are destined to ruin our domestic cricket structure, make all matters personalized, totally dependent on kinships and pleasing the ppl in control rather than deliver results.
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Moin vs Akmal
Selection should be based on merit. Objective of selecting the best professional players available is to do the job right and encourage healthy competition. If Moin Khan is that players then he deserved to be in the squad by quite a distance. Lame excuses of looking at the future and forget the past support cronyism and favoritism.
Akmal's selection and persistance isn't based on just domestic performance alone, he has proved himself in the international arena. Even the Aussies acknowledged that he is one of the best keepers they have seen in a while. Moin should have some self respect, and call it a day. Besides, just like Moin was dropped after alot of failures, Akmal will be too. But when he is performing, what kind of retarded logic is it to drop him?
Besides, you GROOM keepers to adjust to international levels. You just don't drop a senior player and expect a fresh guy from domestic circuit to readily take his place and perform. Right now Akmal is still making that transition, which is not as fast a process as some of you may think.
What are you talking about....the amount of catches he's dropped in the last six months, and just the easy/simple ones...I don't think Moin dropped that many through out his career....
Moin was always an average keeper, his batting often over shadowed that. One of the reasons he was dropped was because his keeping deterioated along with his batting. Akmal is still a rookie, he is learning, he has taken some magnificent ones and some brilliant stumpings. Atleast the talent is there.
I agree that akmal has potential and looks talented, but just because there is a healthly competition for the wicket keeper slot you are saying that moin should show self respect and retire. Whats that suppose to mean??? He has shown a true character of a fighter, thats why his name was there in 17 member provisional squad. Whatever the reason was behind his ommision, i guess moin should be proud of his achievements in the past and present and we are also proud of him. Moin was dropped primarily becasue of his batting bad patch since the current managment believes in multitalented players and the concept of a pure wicket keeper and an average batsmen is obsolete now and i agree with that 100%. But the point is moin is ready for a comeback, his current batting performance in the domestic season isa prove of that. I agree with fartguru in one of his post that the selection on merit demands selection of best possible players from the pool. If you compare moin with akmal, moin has an edge over him. That doesn't mean that akmal is not talented, he is, but just because to groom a player you don't start ignoring senior players. This is not the way to treat your heroes. They have done it with miandad in the past, with wasim, waqar, azhar mehmood, doing it with shoiab akhtar and now with moin.
I know that has been happening for the past so many years in Pakistan because of some bunch of jokers always sitting in the selection panel and PCB. There is nothing one can do about it. I am sure most of the people who are criticizing moin just for the sake of criticism would have been the first to praise moin for his tremendous comeback if he wasnt dropped from final squad.
