Prophecy of coming of mohommed is documented in torah,bible & vedas which would be 5000 yrs before actual birth of mohommed pbuh,slww
The Kalki Qtar being awaited by the Hindus for centuries is actually
Hazrat Mohammad ( Peace be upon him) who had brought the message of
Allah 1,400 years back and as such , the Hindus should not waste their
time and embrace Islam, according to a report appearing in weekly Hurmat
The magazine quoted a book titled ‘Kalki Otar’ by a Hindu Pundit , ved
Prakash recently published in India as having disclosed that according
to the holy books of the Hindu religion , Kalki Otar was to be born in
Arab islands his father’s name would be ‘vishno Bhagat’ and mother’s
name was to be ’ Somanb’ and both the words are Sansikarised version of
Abdullah and Amenah. Similarly , the Hindu books said that he was to get
knowledge through an angel in a cave and it has already happened in the
xasw of Hazrat Mohammad ( peace be upon him ). There fore , Hindus
should embrace Islam without fail .
The Hurmat added that ved Prakash held a high position in Allahabad
University and he had presented his research before eight grand pundits
of India and they had endorsed his r
keep it simple i cant eat something i dont see i cant pray to something i dont see
What's there in Kaba. Why is it so important for a muslim to go for Haj at least once in his lifetime. Can't he just remember Allah at his home without visiting the godfather arabs.
and why do u have to bathe in the Ganges? why can't you take a shower like normal ppl?
Kaaba means the samething as that (I can't remember the name) place where everyone shaves their hair means to you guys. Most muslims also shave thier head when they go to Haj.
Thank you, come again
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keep it simple i cant eat something i dont see i cant pray to something i dont see
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HOW ABOUT GO without medical treatment because you cannot see a severe pain in belly or headache in your temples?Rehoterics like yours are good for punch lines in jay leno/david letterman show but they are illogical,dumb & stupid.Are you?
You do eat lot of bacteria in the air that you dont see &most religions pray to god that is invisible!Whats your problem?If you are athaeist it is one thing dont justfy your choice by wrong reasoning.sorry if i sound stern but i hope you will learn more in future to trust,believe &confide.im ur friend 's'
I dont think Hindus will have any problem in taking mohammad as one of the autars and making his temple and praying him. BTW, for those who do not know, Buddha is accepted as one of autars of Vishnu in Hinduuism. With 3.3 million gods around, adding one more gets in error bar.
Only Muslims will have problem if Hindus take Mohammad as one of autars.
I heard a speach from Dr. Israr Ahmed long time ago and it was about the same topic. He gave evidences, that the Vedas might be the changed form of Saheefay that Hazrat Ibrahim got. That is why there is a close resemblemce between name Brahman and Abraham/Ibrahim.
That is why he said that there is mention of prophet Mohammad (PBUH) in Vedas. Infact it was Hazrat Ibrahim, who prayed before Allah to bring Prophet Mohamamd in his decendants.
unity, faith, discipline
SANAM, When you state:
"The Kalki Qtar being awaited by the Hindus for centuries is actually Hazrat Mohammad"
I guess if Jawaan was the prophet then 'Kalki Qtar' would 've been Jawaan. It's a matter of interpretation.
Could sanam tell us how sanam treats hindus and their holy books after all you're citing from their holy books to make a point.
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Originally posted by faceup:
**SANAM, When you state:
"The Kalki Qtar being awaited by the Hindus for centuries is actually Hazrat Mohammad"
I guess if Jawaan was the prophet then 'Kalki Qtar' would 've been Jawaan. It's a matter of interpretation.
Could sanam tell us how sanam treats hindus and their holy books after all you're citing from their holy books to make a point. **
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Face up,
Good question,thank you,I have much bigger post oing into exact words in vedas,transliteration & as alluded to ibrahim being derivative of brahmin loosely.It is of importaence to moslems to explain Islam being sort of germinatd atleast in prophecy as much as back as inception of any religion itself i.e 5-6 000 years ago before the advent of buddhism.
I donthave to 'believe' in 4 vedas,bhagvada geeta,upanishaad,ramayan,mahabharat etc.like anazubillah i do koran .i dont tke there words as something for me to live by.I mention the references of these old books as do having references to future series of events ibrahim.moses,jesus,mohommed to name a few as we know them in HIND SIGHT.of course hindsight is always corect i.e. it confirms our belief that mohommed is the messenger of god mentioned in previous prophecy .
i think Geeta is a book of wisdom with saying akin to quotes like "he who laughs last laughs the laudest"so on.The rig veda,shyam veda .atharv veda .I know arya veda is system of medicine akin to hakim which is also called unani med. i.e. means GREEK.
Prophesies In Hindu scriptures
Prophecy In The Puranas
The compiler of the Puranas, Mahrishi Vyasa, is highly honored among the
Hindus as a great rishi and learned person. He was a pious and God
fearing man. He also wrote the Gita and the Maha Bharat. Among the
eighteen volumes of the Puranas is one by the title 'Bhavishya Puran,'
literally meaning future events. The Hindus regard it as the Word of
God. The prophecy containing Prophet Muhammad by name is found in Prati
Sarg Parv III: 3, 3, Verse 5.
Before the English translation is presented, a note on the word Malechha
that appears in the first part of verse 5 is in order. The word Malechha
means a man belonging to a foreign country and speaking foreign
language. This word is now used to degrade people meaning unclean or
even worse. Its usage varies and depends on who is using it and for
whom. Sir William Jones had great difficulty in recruiting a Pundit to
teach him Sanskrit because he was considered unclean (Malechha). It was
only after the direct intervention of Maharaja (King) Shiv Chandra that
Pundit Ram Lochna agreed to teach him Sanskrit.
It is not known when this word began to be used in the derogatory sense,
whether before the advent of Prophet Muhammad (s), after the conversion
of Hindu King Chakrawati Farmas (of Malabar, located on the southwest
coast of India) to Islam during the lifetime of the Prophet, soon after
the arrival of Muslims in India (711 CE) or sometime later. Mahrishi
Vyasa, the compiler of the Puranas, has defined a wise Malechha as "a
man of good actions, sharp intellect, spiritual eminence, and showing
reverence to the deity (God).
The Sanskrit text and translation of Verse 5 of Bhavishya Puran, Prati
Sarg Parv III: 3, 3 are given below.
A malechha (belonging to a foreign country and speaking foreign
language) spiritual teacher will appear with his companions. His name
will be Mahamad...
The translation of Verses 5-27 (Sanskrit text of the Puranas, Prati Sarg
Parv III: 3, 3) is presented below from the work of Dr. Vidyarthi.
"A malechha (belonging to a foreign country and speaking foreign
language) spiritual teacher will appear with his companions. His name
will be Mahamad. Raja (Bhoj) after giving this Mahadev Arab (of angelic
disposition) a bath in the 'Panchgavya' and the Ganges water, (i.e.
purging him of all sins) offered him the presents of his sincere
devotion and showing him all reverence said, 'I make obeisance to thee.'
'O Ye! the pride of mankind, the dweller in Arabia, Ye have collected a
great force to kill the Devil and you yourself have been protected from
the malechha opponents (idol worshipers, pagans).' 'O Ye! the image of
the Most Pious God the biggest Lord, I am a slave to thee, take me as
one lying on thy feet.'
"The Malechhas have spoiled the well-known land of the Arabs. Arya
Dharma is not to be found in that
country. Before also there appeared a misguided fiend whom I had killed
[note: e.g., Abraha Al-Ashram, the Abyssinian viceroy of Yemen, who
attacked Mecca]; he has now again appeared being sent by a powerful
enemy. To show these enemies the right path and to give them guidance
the well-known Mahamad (Mohammad), who has been given by me the epithet
of Brahma is busy in bringing the Pishachas to the right path. O Raja!
You need not go to the land of the foolish Pishachas, you will be
purified through my kindness even where you are. At night, he of the
angelic disposition, the shrewd man, in the guise of a Pishacha said to
Raja Bhoj, "O Raja! Your Arya Dharma has been made to prevail over all
religions, but according to the commandments of 'Ashwar Parmatma (God,
Supreme Spirit), I shall enforce the strong creed of the meat-eaters. My
follower will be a man circumcised, without a tail (on his head),
keeping beard, creating a revolution, announcing call for prayer and
will be eating all lawful things. He will eat all sorts of animals
except swine. They will not seek purification from the holy shrubs, but
will be purified through warfare. Because of their fighting the
irreligious nations, they will be known as Musalmans (Muslims). I shall
be the originator of this religion of the meat-eating nation."
Prophecy In Kuntap Sukt (Atharva Veda)
The third Mantra (verse 3) of the Kuntap Sakt is: Its translation by
Pandit Raja Ram is given below:
"He gave the Mamah Rishi a hundred gold coins, ten chaplets, three
hundred steeds and ten thousand
cows."
The root of the word Mamah is Mah which means to esteem highly, honor,
revere, to magnify and to exalt. The word "Mohammad" means "the praised
one" in Arabic. In Sanskrit, many Muslim names are used with a slight
change. For Example, 'Mahmud' Ghaznavi, who briefly ruled parts of
India, is referred to as 'Mamud' Gajnavi. Therefore, Mamah is synonymous
with Mohammad when the full meaning of the verse is considered. In
Hinduism, the word Rishi means a teacher of mystical knowledge or
Prophet, and may include someone who is divine.
The hundred gold coins refer to the early companions of Prophet
Muhammad, eighty of whom migrated to Abyssinia to escape unbearable
persecution. In Shatpath Brahmana, a revealed commentary of the Yajur
Veda, the gold is metaphorically used for denoting the high spiritual
power of a man.
The ten chaplets refer to ten excellent companions of Prophet Muhammad,
who were given the good news of Paradise by the Prophet. They are known
to Muslims as 'Ashra-i-Mubbashshara.' Their names are - Abu Bakr (ra),
'Umar, 'Uthman, 'Ali, Talha, Zubair, 'Abdur Rahman ibn 'Auf, S'ad bin
Abi Waqqas, S'ad bin 'Zaid and Abu 'Ubeidah (may Allah be well-pleased
with them). They are the distinguished personalities about whom the
Vedas speak of as Dash ashrijah - 'ten bouquets from the Paradise.'
Three Hundred Good Steeds (horses of Arab Breed) refers to those
companions of Prophet Muhammad who fought at 'Badr.' (Their actual
number was 313; however, in many prophecies the numbers are usually
rounded up). The Sanskrit word Arvah means a swift Arab horse
particularly used by Asuras (non-Aryans).
Ten Thousand Cows refer to ten thousand companions who accompanied the
Prophet when he conquered Mecca. The Sanskrit word 'go' is derived from
gaw meaning to go to war, and it is used for both an ox and a cow. A cow
or an ox as described in the Vedas represents both as a symbol of war
and peace and amity. We find both these qualities in the companions of
Prophet Muhammad. They were saintly men, pious and compassionate like a
cow, and they were fierce and strong in establishing peace and justice.
The English translation of the mantras (verses) 1 through 13 of the
Kuntap Sukt (Atharva Veda) was taken from the work of Pandit Raja Ram
and other Hindu translators, and is given below. The text in ] is
added to elaborate or explain the context of the verses for the reader.
Listen to this O people! a praiseworthy shall be praised. O Kaurama
we have received among the
Rushamas sixty thousand and ninety. [population of Makkah at the time of
Prophet's triumphant entry in
Makkah].Twenty camels draw his carriage, with him being also his wives. The
top of that carriage or chariot
bows down escaping from touching the heaven.He gave the Mamah Rishi a hundred gold coins, ten chaplets, three
hundred steeds and ten
thousand cows. [100 early companions, 80 of them migrated to Abyssinia;
ten elect companions who
were given the good news of paradise by the Prophet; 313 companions of
the battle of Badr; and 10,000 companions who accompanied the Prophet in
the triumphant entry of Makkah and cleansing of Ka'bah of Idols].Disseminate the truth, O ye who glorifies [Ahmad], disseminate the
truth, just as a bird sings on a ripe
fruited tree. Thy lips and tongue move swiftly like the sharp blade of a
pair of shears. [The Prophet's
state when he received revelation through Archangel Jibril (Gabriel)].The praying ones with their prayers hurry on like powerful bulls.
Only their children are at home, and
at home do they wait for the cows. [Cows refers to companions of the
Prophet. Prophet's companions strict
adherence to five daily prayers at appointed times. Refers to Battles of
Badr, Uhud, and Ahzab (Ditch or Allies)].O you who praises (the Lord), hold fast the wisdom, which earns cows
and good things. Disseminate
this among the divines, just as an archer places his shaft on the right
point. [wisdom of the Qur'an].Sing the high praise of the king of the world or the Light of the
Universe, who is a god and the best
among men. He is a guide to all people and gives shelter to everyone.
[Prophet Muhammad's qualities].He who affords shelter to everybody, gave peace to the world, as soon
as he mounted the throne. Men
in Kuru-land are talking of his peace-making at the time of the building
of the house. [Kuru means one
who protects a house in Hebrew and Kore means a house. It refers to the
first house of worship, the Ka'bah. In this sense, Kuru-land means the
land of Koreish. This Mantra refers to the rebuilding of the Ka'bah five
years before Muhammad's prophethood and his role in peace-making when
each tribe of the Koreish (Quraish) wanted the sole honor to put the
Black Stone at its right place and disputed to the point of threats to
fight each other. The Black Stone is a celestial material and is the
only remaining part of the
original building material of the Ka'bah].In the realm of the King, who gives peace and protection to all, a
wife asks her husband whether she
should set before him curd or some other liquor. [Due to Prophet's
protection and commandments, women
could travel freely long distances without any escort or fear].The ripe barley springs up from the cleft and rises towards heavens.
The people prosper in the reign
of the king who gives protection to all. [people rise from the depth of
degradation to the height of glory].Indra awoke the singer of his praises and asked him to go to the
people in every direction. He was
asked to glorify Indra, the mighty and all pious men would appreciate
his effort and God would bestow on him His rewards. [The Prophet sent
letters to several kings and rulers in every direction inviting them to
Islam].Cows, horses and men multiply and increase here, because here rules
the one who is bountiful and
splendidly generous who gives thousands in charity and sacrifice.
[qualities of the Last Prophet].O Indra, let these cows be safe, and let not their master be harmed.
And let not an enemy, O Indra, or
a robber overpower them. [Indra refers to God and cows to saintly
followers of the Prophet].
For comparison, read the Biography of Prophet Muhammad (s) and What
Non-Muslims Say about Prophet
Muhammad (s).
More Prophecies In Atharva Veda
Atharva Veda X, 2, 28: [On Ka'bah]
Whether it is built high, its walls are in a straight line or not, but
God is seen in every corner of it. He
who knows the House of God, knows it because God is remembered there.
The Ka'bah is not exactly cubical and its sides are not of the same
length. The Holy Sanctuary (Haram) of which Ka'abah is at the center
remains open day and night throughout the year and it is always filled
with people praying to Allah (the One True God). Muslims face toward it
during prayer forming circle in the Haram (Holy House) and the circle
extends out in this manner throughout the planet Earth.
Atharva Veda X, 2, 31:[On Holy Sanctuary (House) and Ka'bah]
This abode of the angels has eight circuits and nine gates. It is
unconquerable, there is eternal life in it
and it is resplendent with Divine light.
The holy sanctuary (Haram) of which Ka'bah is at the center remains open
day and night throughout the year and it is always filled with people
praying and supplicating to Allah (the One True God). It has remained
unconquerable. Abraha Al-Ashram, the Abbysinian viceroy of Yemen, tried
to demolish it in 570 CE with a strong army and hordes of elephants but
was prevented from entering the city (Holy precinct). The people of
Makkah had decided not to defend the Ka'bah, fled the city and took
refuge in nearby hills overlooking Ka'bah. By Allah's Command, the
'Abaabeel' (flying creatures, birds) pelted stones at
Abraha's army and decimated it, leaving them like green crops devoured
by cattle. This incident is described in the Surah (chapter) 105 of the
Qur'an. The year 570 CE is popularly known by the Arabs as 'The year of
the Elephant,' and Prophet Muhammad was born in that year.
Dr. Vidyarthi points out the following facts. The House of God has nine
gates - Baab-e-Ibrahim (Abraham) ,
Baab-al-Wedaa, Baab-as-Safa, Baab-e-Ali, Baab-e-Abbas, Baab-un-Nabi,
Baab-as-Salaam, Baab-az-Ziyarat, and Baab-e-Haram. Further, the eight
circuits are the natural lines enclosing the areas between the
surrounding hills, the names of which are: Jabal-e-Khaleej,
Jabal-e-Qaiqaon, Jabal-e-Hindi, Jabal-e-Laalaa, Jabal-e-Keda,
Jabal-e-Abu Hadidah, Jabal-e-Abi Qabees, and Jabal-e-Umar.
Atharva Veda X, 2, 33: [On Abraham and more on Holy Sanctuary and
Ka'bah]
Brahma (Abraham) stayed in this abode which is illumined by heavenly
light and covered with Divine
blessings. It is the place that gives (spiritual) life to the people and
is unconquerable.
The Ka'bah was built by Prophets Abraham and Ismail. It has remained
unconquerable as explained in the preceding verse. Many verses of the
Holy Qur'an and of the Old unconquerable as explained in the preceding
verse. Many verses of the Hol
Prophecy In Sama Veda
The Sama Veda contains many prophecies of the advent of Prophet
Mohammad. Here, one of them is presented. It is found in Sama Veda,
II:6,8:
"Ahmad acquired religious law (Shariah) from his Lord. This religious
law is full of wisdom. I receive
light from him just as from the sun."
Prophet Muhammad's other name was Ahmad (both are from root letters h, m
and d), both words have the meaning the "praised one" except the latter
emphasizes a higher degree to it. The Holy Qur'an states that Prophet
'Isa (Jesus, pbuh) mentioned the last Prophet's name as Ahmad.
Prophecy In Rig Veda
Rig Veda V, 27, 1:
The wagon-possessor, the truthful and truth-loving, extremely wise,
powerful and generous, Mamah
[Mohammad] has favored me with his words. The son of the All-powerful,
possessing all good
attributes, the mercy for the worlds has become famous with ten thousand
[companions].
It refers to ten thousand companions who accompanied the Prophet in the
triumphant entry of Makkah and cleansing of Ka'bah of Idols and other
profanities.
More Prophecies In Hindu Scriptures
The Vedas contain many prophecies about Prophet Muhammad. Some European
and Hindu translators of the Vedas have removed the name referring to
the Prophet, while others have tried to explain away the mantras
(verses) on his life events, Ka'bah, Makkah, Medinah, Arabia, and other
events using the terminology of the Hindus, such as purification
rituals, and lands and rivers in India. Some mantras containing
prophecies are inter-mixed with explanatory phrases, and it may be that
these were commentaries and explanatory notes on the prophecies, which
later became a part of the prophecy.
Several prophecies are found in Atharva Veda: (1) XX: 21, Mantras 6, 7,
and 9, (2) XX: 137, Mantras 7 through 9, and (3) X: 2, Mantras 26, 27,
29, 30, and 32. Similarly, in Rig Veda, additional prophecies are found
in: (1) VII: 96, Mantras 13 through 16, and (2) I: 53, Mantras 6 and 9.
Finally, a prophecy is found in Sama Veda III: 10, Mantra 1. These are a
sample of many prophecies. The serious reader may want to refer to
scholarly work of Dr. A.H. Vidyarthi, entitled "Mohammad in World
Scriptures," 1990. This book explains the Hindu terminology used in the
Mantras and the meaning and usage of certain words and phrases from
within the Vedas and other Hindu Scriptures.
THIS PROPHESIES CAN BE BACKED UP BY PROPHESIES FOUND IN THE AVESTA AS
WELL AS THE BIBLE.
No Compulsion In Religion
Qur'an 2:256
There is no compulsion in religion " Truth stand out clear from errors"
And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a
firm handhold which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower.
this is same as the thread started by me on 11th july... every word of it...