Mohammed(P.B.U.H)left us with two things!!

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Way do Watcher and co. insist on one and not the other?

The Prophet Mohammad (SW) said, The messenger of my God is about to come to me and I shall answer (meaning death is close and the angel Izrael is coming)I am leaving with you the two weighty things:
the first is the Book of Allah , in which you find guidance and enlightenment, and the second is my household.I remind you, by Allah,of the people of my household…
Sunni References:
Sahih Muslim, chapter of the virtues of Imam Ali (AS), vol.V,p.122Š Sahih al-Tirmithi,vol.V,p.328Š Mustadrak al-Hakim, vol.III, p.148Š Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal
, vol.III, p.17.

I have given you sunni refrances and now prove this to be wrong??(you give us shia hadiths and now i’m giving you sunni hadiths)

And oh yeah Keep to the topic (even if you dont have any answers!!)

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I'm trying to look up the reference for the Sahih Muslim hadith.

As you have read it, can you clarify which book and which chapter it is in?

Jazakallah

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I notice that the according to this hadith that you have quoted the Prophet(PBUH) did not say 2 thing in which you will find guidance and enlightenment.But he said that "2 things,one is kitab 'in which you will find guidance and enlightenment' AND my household,I remind you by Allah of my household".So this part might mean that the prophet(pbuh) was asking muslims to respect and treat his household well.(I may also add that this was done,but it is beside the point here).Two things being mentioned together does not mean that the same qualities apply to both,unless the words clearly imply that which in this case they don't.You need to look at proper sentence structures from an arabic point of view.I have given my view without checking the refferences for authority because the hadith quoted here simply does not support the view that guidance comes from Ahly-bait.

P.S.Why would the household only include Hazrat Ali(r.a.)?Why not the wives of the prophet?

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Originally posted by Ahmed:
**I notice that the according to this hadith that you have quoted the Prophet(PBUH) did not say 2 thing in which you will find guidance and enlightenment.But he said that "2 things,one is kitab 'in which you will find guidance and enlightenment' AND my household,I remind you by Allah of my household".So this part might mean that the prophet(pbuh) was asking muslims to respect and treat his household well.(I may also add that this was done,but it is beside the point here).Two things being mentioned together does not mean that the same qualities apply to both,unless the words clearly imply that which in this case they don't.You need to look at proper sentence structures from an arabic point of view.I have given my view without checking the refferences for authority because the hadith quoted here simply does not support the view that guidance comes from Ahly-bait.

P.S.Why would the household only include Hazrat Ali(r.a.)?Why not the wives of the prophet?**
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He(prohet Mohammed p.b.u.h)said two weighty things meaning (he did not say one is lighter than the other)that both are equal in Weight(meaning equal in importance)!!

Hazrat Ali was related to the prophet in many ways such as
*cousin(they were very close)
*son-in law(the Ahle-bayt must need to be born and don't two people make a family?)

Wives were not
*related to him
*were bron and brought up differently than him(the peer pressure does cout)
*as loved by him as he loved his beloved daughter

Plus Bibi Khatija WAS the wife he counted as his family in this Hadith!!

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Desert Fox:

You are saying, then that the prophet regarded his cousin higher than his wives?

Where is the proof of this?

Let me give you the following ayats from Quran:

Please read all carefully:

**[24:11]
11. Verily! Those who brought forth the slander (against 'Aishah radhiallahu'anhu the wife of the Prophet SAW) are a group among you. Consider it not a bad thing for you. Nay, it is good for you. Unto every man among them will be paid that which he had earned of the sin, and as for him among them who had the greater share therein, his will be a great torment.

[24:12]
12. Why then, did not the believers, men and women, when you heard it (the slander) think good of their own people and say: "This (charge) is an obvious lie?"

[24:13]
13. Why did they not produce four witnesses? Since they (the slanderers) have not produced witnesses! Then with Allah they are the liars.

[24:14]
14. Had it not been for the Grace of Allah and His Mercy unto you in this world and in the Hereafter, a great torment would have touched you for that whereof you had spoken.

[24:15]
15. When you were propagating it with your tongues, and uttering with your mouths that whereof you had no knowledge, you counted it a little thing, while with Allah it was very great.

[24:16]
16. And why did you not, when you heard it, say? "It is not right for us to speak of this. Glory be to You (O Allah) this is a great lie."

[24:17]
17. Allah forbids you from it and warns you not to repeat the like of it forever, if you are believers.

[24:18]
18. And Allah makes the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) plain to you, and Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.**

Note where Allah has said:

..Allah forbids you from it and warns you not to repeat the like of it forever, if you are believers..

Where is your evidence in Quran to back up your statements?

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cool dude (hot dude),
Listen buddy! By typing a whole bunch of ayats of quran, we cannot prove anything. I read the ayats you typed here, and from an impartial point of view none of them are relavent to the topic. We all know that you have a soft copy of quran on the web and you are perfect in doing cut and paste, but these ayats are not relavent to the topic.

You asked desert fox, what proof does he have for Hazrat Ali (r.a) to be higher than Prophet's wives? Well, he may have proof or nto, I dont know. But here is the question, What proof do you have that wives of Prophet's were higher than Fatima, Hasan, Hussein, and Ali (r.a)?

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Azam is there any need to classify who is higher than the other? Why, What will that achieve?

  • By considering one or the other higher or lower, what spiritual upbringing will that achieve for mankind?

  • Secondly, what does that higher or lower means? In what context do you consider this difference? If it is in the nearness to Allah, then please simply “shut up” we are not Gods to assign ranks to anyone.

Let the Allah handle this tasks, we do what we have been told to. Trust me, simple belief in Ahlaybait will not attain us an ezpass to cross through those pearly gates. Its only and only our deed which will help us on that day. Go gather something for that day.

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HotDude? hehehe.. theres a new one !

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I don’t have proof, thats just it. Only Allah knows best. I have utmost respect and Love for the Prophet and his family.

What I can’t understand is that Allah perfected his religion for us, and now some people are changing it.

And for your information, yes I have several copies of the Quran on my PC. As the english translation is only a translation, i use them all to check out all references.

Allah has given us a dimag for a reason - to use it. Not to just blindly follow our ancestors.

From my ayats, Allah has said about the people that slander the wives of the prophet:

[24:17]
17. Allah forbids you from it and warns you not to repeat the like of it forever, if you are believers.

Show me the ayat in Quran where Allah

a) differentiaties between the prophets wives

b) regards some members of his family higher than others.

Look forward to your response.

P.s. Desert Fox, you still haven’t given me the reference for that hadith

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Well I believe that our actions are the basis of jaza and saza (punishment and reward) but I have the concept of shifaat. Shifaat means Allah's habib (Mohammed s.w) will request Allah tabarak wa taalah to have mercy on us and because He is closer to Allah, Allah will consider his request. It does not mean that we can do anything here and wait for Huzoor or Ahlebayt to give us shifayat. But these pious people Mohammed (s.w), Syyedna Ali (r.a), Syyedna Hasan (r.a, Syyedna Hussein (r.a), and Syyeda Fatima (r.a) were symbol of Allah's love. We should try to follow them and act according to their teachings.

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Well, prophet's wives are not that important that Allah should differentiate between them in Quran. Who cares what Prophet's wives did. They are not at all important to our lives. I know something for sure, that they never did anything appreciable or incredible to be mentioned, they were just normal people. Who cares!

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Originally posted by Azam:
Well, prophet's wives are not that important that Allah should differentiate between them in Quran. Who cares what Prophet's wives did. They are not at all important to our lives. I know something for sure, that they never did anything appreciable or incredible to be mentioned, they were just normal people. Who cares!
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Can't believe you just said that yaar!

Back your statement up with facts please.

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Azam you missed my two question? Please answer them, please.

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Originally posted by Zalim: **Is there any need to classify who is higher than the other? Why, What will that achieve?

Q - By considering one or the other higher or lower, what spiritual upbringing will that achieve for mankind?

Q - Secondly, what does that higher or lower means? In what context do you consider this difference? **
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i know that we say our salam and durood to aalehee (aal of mohammed) and that includes Syyeda Fatima (r.a), Syyedna Hussein (r.a), and Syyedna Hasan (r.a). All the rest including Prophet's wives are NOT included when we give our durood to aale mohammed (means heirs or generation of mohammed) just the way we send durood o salam to aale ibrahim (ibrahim's generation).

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to my shia friends

you go on about Ahlay bait. so lets count rest of them

All of Prophets kids were from his first Wife 'Khadija'. Fatima had elder sisters 'ruqaiya' 'umm kalsoom' and 'zainab'. How about progeny from them. You cannot say that they are not ahlay bait according to your descriptions.

In addition after Fatima had died Hazrat Ali married Imama daughter of Zainab, and had kids from her as well. So according to your descriptions they would be ahlay bait as well.

I cannot believe the prophet would put one of his daughters above other daughters. We have known the prophet to be just and that does not be seeming of the prophet.

Don't take me wrong - I do have utmost respect for Ali, Fatima, Hassan and Hussain. I do have a problem with the limited description of Ahlay bait as proposed by our shia friends on this site.

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blackzero, Unfortunately this is not the appropriate place to ask such questions. Here people only practice “cut and paste” drills, or they just try to impose their beliefs without holding any solid persuasive reasons.

It is indeed very discriminative to limit this term “Ahl-e-bait” to only four people, thereby filtering out all the wives of the prophets and His children.

Very sad.

[This message has been edited by rag.tag.boy (edited October 30, 2000).]

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Respect for the Family of the Holy Prophet is a must for every Muslim but family is not limited to certain people, the daraja of any slave of Allah(SWT) is judged by Allah (SWT)himself only. As far as Islam is concerned Allah(SWT) has perfected his Deen which is
ISLAM=QURAN+SUNNAH {HADEETH AND TRADITION OF HOLY PROPHET(PBUH)}. It is very simple.