a:Why are Muslims migrating from India called Mohajirs (mojis) and Muslims from Afghanistan called refugees?
b: If India (as it is claims to be) is a secular state then why do Muslims leave India?
c: Is this moji trafficing still going on or has it stopped. In other words are mohajirs called mohajirs because they migrated in 47 OR any newcomer (indian muslim) post 47 is called a moji and not the ones that migrated in 47?
d: Why are most mojis settled in Karachi and not other places like Peshawar, Landi Kotal, Kaka Khel etc?
Re: Mohajir vs Refugee
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b: If India (as it is claims to be) is a secular state then why do Muslims leave India?
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Dont open ur mouth if you dont know the facts . No Muslims migrates from India now , they migrated only at the time of partition.If I am right , Paki authorities were unwilling to give citizenship to one girl from Kerala who had married a Paki guy ,so how do u think they will give it to Normal Indian Muslims.
a:Why are Muslims migrating from India called Mohajirs (mojis) and Muslims from Afghanistan called refugees?
the term used for immigrants in the early days by the locals was “hindustanis” a little bit of a problem since that refered to hindustan, the arch nemesis of the new country. so what to adopt, in that case the word mohajir were used by many, including the locals to identify the new arrivals.
The immigrants in Punjab were from indian punjab, spoke teh same language and basically were the same group as the one living in the land they had immigrated to and thus assimilated, the case was very diff for urdu speakers, gujrati speakers had a different experience in sindh, a place with culture and language quite different from theirs.
here is some good reading for you
http://www.ghazali.net/book5/Chapter-II/chapter-ii.html
The afghan refugees are called refugees due to the legal status as theya re refugees, the “mohajirs” were just that, immigrants, who had to cling to some group as teh restof the country has not given up its own identity and which is tied to a piece of lans, punjabis w/ punjab, sindhis with sindh, etc..the grievances are not just of teh urdu speakers or the katchi memons or gujrati folks, but saraiki speakers etc as well. reading up on this may give you an idea.
c: Is this moji trafficing still going on or has it stopped. In other words are mohajirs called mohajirs because they migrated in 47 OR any newcomer (indian muslim) post 47 is called a moji and not the ones that migrated in 47?
There are plenty of ppl who migrated after 1947 who are also referred to as mohajir. or as locals in sindh so graciously call them “makkarr”.
d: Why are most mojis settled in Karachi and not other places like Peshawar, Landi Kotal, Kaka Khel etc?
urdu speaking, memon, gujrati etc migrants settled in karachi as they were much more educated than avg pakistanis and this place was the NYC of pakistan. there were immigrantsin other parts of pakistan too. Most of the immigration patterns were different, punjabis from indian side of punjab moved over and assimilated quite easily due to same languageand culture, same goes for sindh etc.
the issue with non-sindhi immigrants in sindh was that the locals did not accept them they way punjabis accepted punjabi immigrants from the indian side. the rural vs urban as well as sindhi vs non-sindhi divide escalated due to policies like quota systems in jobs and education which hurt non-sindhis while helping sindhis.
solution could have been to come up with a few more provinces, but in a country where certain groups lay their claim to a piece of land due to their language and ethnicity, it does not help people who niether speak that language nor are from that ethnicity.
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Dont open ur mouth if you dont know the facts . No Muslims migrates from India now , they migrated only at the time of partition.If I am right , Paki authorities were unwilling to give citizenship to one girl from Kerala who had married a Paki guy ,so how do u think they will give it to Normal Indian Muslims.
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And do you know facts.... see your stupid statement. Here I will emphasis it in bold and underlined for you.
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If I am right
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Edit: Maybe that was a bit rough on my behalf. Dark_knite, the reason I am asking this question is because I want to know the facts. People post questions in forums as well, in other words not everyone is an instigator only a few.
Mr Frauddia: Thank you for your insight. It's a shame that Pakistan takes lead in carrying the Islamic banner, but discriminates it's own constituents. In my view the Mohajirs are Pakistanis, if they have been living in Sindh for over 20 Years then they are non-sindhi speaking sindhis (in other words language should not be a discriminating factor).
From this respect Madhanee is right when he criticizes Pakistanis as carrying the banner of Islam, but not really following it in their own backyards.
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And do you know facts.... see your stupid statement. Here I will emphasis it in bold and underlined for you.
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If I am right
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Edit: Maybe that was a bit rough on my behalf. Dark_knite, the reason I am asking this question is because I want to know the facts. People post questions in forums as well, in other words not everyone is an instigator only a few.
Mr Frauddia: Thank you for your insight. It's a shame that Pakistan takes lead in carrying the Islamic banner, but discriminates it's own constituents. In my view the Mohajirs are Pakistanis, if they have been living in Sindh for over 20 Years then they are non-sindhi speaking sindhis (in other words language should not be a discriminating factor).
From this respect Madhanee is right when he criticizes Pakistanis as carrying the banner of Islam, but not really following it in their own backyards.
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You and Madwhore are right like hammering a screw with a hammer.
There's no discrimination of mohajirs in Pakistan.
If the Plotical Party of Mutahida Qaumi movement decides to contest this statement then its their political right to do so. They call them Mohajirs because they can not relate them selves to any existing 'provinces'
Untill 1970 there was no mention of this expression of 'Mohajirs' It appeared after Zia's minted MQM,,who's frenchise is now taken over by 'Congress Party of India',,,
(This is to any so called Mohajirs in Pakistan) Please come forward and tell our Hindustani friends that you have ;
-Full fundamental rights in Pakistan
-Full rights safe guarded in the constitution of Pakistan
-No discrimination of any sect or culture that you may relate to except of 'Ahemady's'
2nd thoughts, no one from Pakistan is needed to explain to our Hindu friends of Rights and wrongs in our Country.
Hindustani's coming on this forum and claiming 'why is this and why is that' suggest that Pakistan is a rougue state, a failed state, a Islamic state with terrorist connections. So there is some thing wrong and broken,,So we shall fix it,,,,what goes of you'r father bhai,,??
I have one thing to say to all this,,,What ever happens in Pakistan only
Pakistanis can understand this,,,not behari's of Bihar aur uttar Pardesh log.
In The meanwhile, go and help 'Bhopal Victims' to get their ligit rights.
^^I guess I wasn't nice in my previous post so it got removed. I wish you could have seen it, it would have put you in your upright position.
Anyway RD I really in earnest wanted to know the issue behind Mohajirs and hence the questions.
I FIND IT VERY VERY SAD that people on this forum are very narrow minded and take every thing as an attack on them. This post was clearly to educate myself on this mohajir issue. The only decent answer was from Mr Frauddia. Yours and Dark_Knite was utter BS.