Modi an enemy of Pakistan and Muslims: Musharraf

[Sachaydino]

Re: Modi an enemy of Pakistan and Muslims: Musharraf

Bhai why are you diverting from the main subject of the point. no generals ****ed in their pants in 1971, that debacle had other reasons. Even Gen. Arora was surprised when he heard that Pak army was going to surrender because him and the pak general trained together in the armed forces training before partition. i know soldiers who still fought there even after the order of surrender came out saying they would rather die than surrendering and they prefered death. Read some books it will give you a clearer picture of what had happen back then.

I don't want to derail this thread by going into details, This has been discussed zillion times in this forum. Coming back to topic he has no authority to give such irresponsible statement. He should visit his 10 years of rule what he did with Pakistani nation on the issue of war on terror. For him his motto was' sub se pehlay dollar. He should be in jail by now what he did as CAOS and president.

[Sheeda_Pistol_1]

Re: Modi an enemy of Pakistan and Muslims: Musharraf

@Jolie

The bravado increases couple by couple of marks when not in power, but are you honestly suggesting that Musharraf as a COAS slash Head of State would have adopted that cowardly silence of Nawaz Sharif if India was firing into Pakistan’s border for three weeks? Really? I am no Musharraf fan, in fact I hated him and I still hold him responsible for many of the serious problems faced by Pakistan today (namely Nawaz Sharif and Zardari), but there is no way that he as a military head would not have condemned Indian aggression of this intensity. Gen. Raheel has issued strong statements, Mushy would’ve done the same. Where is the brave and popularly elected champion of democracy buffoon and his leadership? So I really don’t think misplaced criticism of Musharraf is a good idea to suggest that whatever Nawaz is doing (or not doing) is normal.

Nawaz Sharif is really on the mission to prove that whatever the narrative is there to make him look like a thoroughly insincere, incompetent and insensitive pillock is absolutely true.

How sad is the situation that a defamed dictator is gaining the public goodwill against this democratically elected Prime Minister. Shame on him for digging is own grave.

What people forget is that skirmishes on the LoC between the two have been going on between the two for decades since 1990s, probably even before. The people that live along the LoC can attest to that. Also LoC is not an international border (not what India would have you believe). After the border standoff in 2002, a ceasefire was negotiated on LoC between the two countries in 2003 (yes the dictator Musharraf’s times) and it had been in place by and large until 2013(4).

The minor bombing and firing still took place here and there but what we are seeing this time around in 2014 is the biggest bout of fighting in the last 10 years. This is by no means an ordinary skirmish on the LoC. Does it require any statement from the elected gubberment also?, you bet it does. The point being, one should not just shrug it off by saying “oh well it happened when Mushy was a ruler too, why didnt he do anything about it back then”.

Here is an article from 2003.
India and Pakistan Agree to Cease-Fire in Kashmirhttp://articles.latimes.com/2003/nov/26/world/fg-ceasefire26

[Shamraz_Khan]

Re: Modi an enemy of Pakistan and Muslims: Musharraf

@devilish_angel

^ or sending saris and mangoes

He did send Mangoes to Vajpayee, but dunno about saris. Maybe Vajpayee did not like wearing saris? This tradition of sending imagoes to Indian leaders started with Zia ul Haq & since then every leader has been doing this so called “mango diplomacy”.

Online edition of Daily News - World

Pakistan’s Musharraf sends mangoes to Vajpayee

ISLAMABAD, Aug 1 (Reuters) - Pakistan’s President Pervez Musharraf, locked in a tense standoff with neighbouring India, has sent several boxes of mangoes to Indian Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee as a goodwill gesture.

The Foreign Office in Islamabad played down the significance of the gift at a time when the two nuclear powers have massed more than a million soldiers on their border, calling it an annual ritual.

“Mangoes are sent to a number of world leaders every year,” a Foreign Office spokesman told Reuters on Thursday. “This has been going on for more than 25 years.”

Pakistani mangoes are some of the best in the world and are exported to several Middle East countries and Europe. India is also a big producer of the fruit.

The official said the mangoes were delivered to the Indian prime minister through the Pakistan embassy in New Delhi.

Pakistan and India have edged to the brink of war after a December raid on India’s parliament which New Delhi blamed on Pakistan-based Islamic militants, but the risk was averted through world diplomatic efforts led by the United States.

The disputed Himalayan region of Kashmir, where Islamic militants are fighting Indian rule, is at the heart of the problem.

India accuses Pakistan of arming rebels and sending them into Indian Kashmir. Pakistan says infiltration has stopped.

[Jolie]

Re: Modi an enemy of Pakistan and Muslims: Musharraf

@Sheeda_Pistol

What people forget is that skirmishes on the LoC between the two have been going on between the two for decades since 1990s, probably even before. The people that live along the LoC can attest to that. Also LoC is not an international border (not what India would have you believe). After the border standoff in 2002, a ceasefire was negotiated on LoC between the two countries in 2003 (yes the dictator Musharraf’s times) and it had been in place by and large until 2013(4).

The minor bombing and firing still took place here and there but what we are seeing this time around in 2014 is the biggest bout of fighting in the last 10 years. This is by no means an ordinary skirmish on the LoC. Does it require any statement from the elected gubberment also?, you bet it does. The point being, one should not just shrug it off by saying “oh well it happened when Mushy was a ruler too, why didnt he do anything about it back then”.

Here is an article from 2003.
India and Pakistan Agree to Cease-Fire in Kashmir

India and Pakistan Agree to Cease-Fire in Kashmir - Los Angeles Times

Nawaz Sharif’s characteristically cowardly silence over Indian brutality to protect his own business interests has lost him significant public support. Even support those who initially had some sympathy for him when he became the target of widespread public anger. Even his typical die hard ‘too ashamed to admit we support NS’ type fans are struggling to defend him over this issue, considering this incident provided him with a golden opportunity to redeem himself by showing some nerves leadership. He is so exposed and this is all his doing. Even his fans have realised what a disgraced and anti Pakistan figure he has become in public eye due to his crude selfishness and cowardly nature.

And yes, these are periodic temporary clashes between soldiers - people have died and houses have been demolished due to shell fires. It is a thoroughly ridiculous and puny retort that Mushy as an army man would’ve showed the same amount cowardice as this mule Nawaz Sharif. If Pakistan army is currently retaliating Indian aggression, what makes anyone think Mushy would’ve remained all quiet?

[Jolie]

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By the why, why isn't there a joint session to discussed Indian aggression? I thought the government was being advised to call one, so what happened? Nawaz family not ready to officially condemn India through a proper platform. That would send such a wrong message to Modi and Jindal family. Poor Hussain Sharif and his potential business deals.

[Med911]

Re: Modi an enemy of Pakistan and Muslims: Musharraf

Dont know about Musharaf, but the way the Indians are slobbering over this Modi character, you'd think he was the reincarnation of Krishna. More of the South Asian penchant for hero worship.

You people need to stop bickering over internal politics and focus on the actual threat.