Modernity and Religion

I have read two books recently and both made me see the changing way modernity might be causing an increasing number of people, including myself, to see religion.

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For example in the book, the Life of Pi, which is supposed to be a “religious novel” and supposed to “make you believe in God”, the story is about the survival of a religious man shipwrecked in the pacific. He tells two stories, first a “religious” one, full of miraculous survival and meaningfulness, another a hideous one where he is borderline cannibalistic and his mother is killed before his eyes etc. The former is supposed to be the non-literal analogy based view of the world. The latter for “dry yeastless factuality”, the insisting upon bare facts, one that would be acceptable to a scientist who has no imagination.

The argument then is that the world if viewed solely on the basis of facts and through a rational mind, would be extremely hideous and dry without meaning, and in order to give in meaning we need religion even if that means inventing facts and completely distorting the truth.

The “God” it makes you believe in is a spirituality stunt, one that helps humans believe in beauty in the otherwise hideous factual world. One that is there to address the human need for meaning instead of the actual purpose of most religions: to serve God.

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But that isnt the only place where I see this idea, that seem to discredit religion as fantastic tales devised to satisfy human need for meaning, an inherently agnostic/athiestic idea wrapped in a much more palatable garb.

This second excerpt is from The Battle for God by Karen Armstrong, a very good and balanced book written from the perspective of a modern person on the three semetic religions in the present age. This is more explicit.

Can you see the similarities here? The author then goes on to say that modernity has made Logos dominant in the sphere of public life, and mythos since it is so impractical for policy, the domain of private religion. That is the spirit of so many modern ideas, like personal religion, seperation of church and state. The idea that they are completely distinct is also the basis behind the idea that “mythos” cannot be arrived at through factual/rational means.

The last is particularly striking for me because I have held that belief. And it seems that the context behind that belief is that “myth” is devised for a specific purpose, to provide consolation and help me accept human reality. Thereby in the modern world “personal religion” is merely for one’s own sake and not for God.

That is a dangerous idea. Is it true then that modernity has shaped the way we think about religion in a way that we have started accepting agnostic/atheistic ideas at a subconscious level, and that context is then shaping the way we look at religion?

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In effect, are those embracing modernity also subconsciosly embracing agnosticism/atheism?

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Yes i think it is true. Very true actually.

Haven't you heard the Hadeeth that which means something like this: at the time a Momin committs a sin, he is not a momin.

Which means that at that particular time, he is not beleiving in religion but in his lust, or greed etc.

There are very very few people who actually beleive in religion. For most it is essentially what the writer describes, something to hang on. For the everyday life, they are not different than an atheist.

And this is what i have been thinking of myself, that i am not different than a hypocryte. The practical aspect of my life is not different than an atheist or even an animal. To take care of myself/my family/be praised/excell at work etc.

Even though i pray 5 times a day, its like a ritual, even though i become infuriarated when someone says anything bout my religion its bcoz of a tribalistic thoughts.

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^couldnt agree more

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Some questions for u ravage, should we then restrict our logos? Is it appropriate for mankind then to stop thinking beyond a certain point of realization? Did God not send mankind blessed with his traits which included the ability to think and decide for themselves? If that is the case then why do we fear ideas which challenge our own self-conditioned sensibilities? Is it so difficult to accept the idea that myth and logos are functions which belong to the same entity? Can they not exist together? I guess u get the gist of my question.

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Good post again Icono :k: . The hadis you cite seems to tie in too.

Fartguru

No I dont think we should restrict our logos. Nor is it appropriate for mankind to stop thinking at any point. Yes mankind is blessed with these abilities and it would be folly not to use them.

My concern is not a fear of logos and thought. It is a fear that this partitioning, compartmentalizing of spiritual thought in the manner described, where logos is what matters in the real world, and mythos is merely for personal spiritual gratification, a means to maintain the human need for meaning..this limitation of religion and relegation of it to the status of an irrational philosophy that is an unscientific indulgence, this “modern”, atheistic view of mythos and logos has permeated our ideas and shaped the way atleast the progressive people in the Muslim world are thinking about things, without the context being explicitly atheistic, so even proud Muslims are adopting athiestic ideas. I pointed out instances where I had acquired ideas conforming with the spirit of this age without realising the athiestic context behind that them.

If rational thought is God’s gift, then it is all the more the responsibility of forward looking Muslims to utilize that gift in a Muslim way, not in a subconsciously atheistic way. We must not fear Logos but we must not think of it in terms that denigrate our Mythos to the status of yoga.

Mythos and Logos can exist together, but at this point in time Im not sure if they do. I dont believe they do for the modern world, certainly not without emasculating mythos completely. And I fear that that is the context for many of my ideas too.

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very interesting post,

in the end you said scientists can't explain the meaning of life. fine i agree.

but so does the religion.

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im not sure what you mean, so does religion agree?

that wasnt my writing light bearer but an excerpt from a book

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Sorry I was not clear,

what I mean is even the religions cannot explain for sure the meaning of life.