I am not sure if it was discussed here earlier or not… I am confused about it so feel free to share your thoughts…
I think Islam doesnt have any specific rules restricting or encouraging Muslims from participating in politics. But if we really consider all islamic political parties participate in politics with a view of gaining power. I think its generally agreed that most Sahaba were not interested in becoming the Khalifa but were forced to be one hence one of the basic qualities one should look for in a leader is that he is not interested in Power. So is it right for Deeni Jamat’s to practice politics so they can be in power…I guess flip side of the coin is that they cannot enforce their agenda unless they have means of doing so…
Personally i believe if the message is true and the method of spreading is enlighting the people rather than enforcing it on them then the message will be effective and bear long term results and thats why i am not a big fan of Deeni jamats…But i am not sure how Islam reflects on it
democracy is not the type of government that Islam brought....
we have seen how corrupt a democratic government is....
nowhere in the world has this form of government been successful....
its marred with corruption....
In Islam the system of government is man acting as a vicegerent (Spelling ???) or representative of Allah and not sovereign or the popular democracy (government for people by the people)....
This basic difference has to be understood first.
Man is a Khalifah of Allah and his duty is to act within the boundaries drawn by Allah. Rest can be modified. Yes, in Islam, the Khalifah can be challanged, be brought to court and he is not superior than the common people in front of Law.....
What more can I tell you about the beautiful system of government in Islam. Unlike the fake and empty concept of democracy which make people believe it is ideal, in Islam, the Khalifah can be called before a Judge even by a sweeper/janitor and he does not need a lawyer of pay fees for it. The nature of Khilfah is so beautiful, the justice is free and easlity accessible to every individual. Instead of people running after lawyers and searching for justice, it is the responsibility of the Khalifah to make sure everybody gets justice and make sure he himself knows the people.
In Ottoman empre, this used to happen. The 2nd Caliph of Islam is well known for his watchful eyes as he used to disguise and raom in the streets to know what is going on. Some of the Ottoman Caliphs used to do it too.... can we imagine GW Bush or Blair do it in this democratic system, killers who are flourishing in this democracy?
Not like the Western democratic concept where the lawyers have taken the opportunity to make money in the name of justice. Justice has become more of a business .....
I wish to see Khilafah being established on Earth in my life time.....
In Islam the system of government is man acting as a vicegerent (Spelling ???) or representative of Allah and not sovereign or the popular democracy (government for people by the people)....
Correct me if I am wrong but the original concept of khilafat was that a khalifa is a "deputy of Rasulallah"
that is what AbuBakr(ra) had in mind, not a viceroy of Allah
Correct me if I am wrong but the original concept of khilafat was that a khalifa is a "deputy of Rasulallah"
that is what AbuBakr(ra) had in mind, not a viceroy of Allah
Well yaar in fact Khaleefa is a vicegerent, acting on the guideline provided by Allah. This is absolutely true. And being Muslims, our source of inspiration is Quran and Sunnah.
Let me rephrase it in another easy way.
Khaleefa is a vicegerent of Allah on Earth, governing an Islamic state using guidance from Quran and Sunnah principles (as FUNDAMENTAL sources) and other means like consultation etc etc (when needed). The basic principle is derived from Quran and Sunnah.....
Nice topic indeed. First and foremost I would like to say that people should not say that politics and Islam cannot go hand in hand. Politics is simply the tactics and management methods a government uses to run a state. When Islamic ideals are used to govern the state then we can say the state is an Islamic state and the governmental body is an Islamic government. I don't want to confuse politics as the conflicting inter-relationships between people of a society or institution and a comparison of Islam with it. More to come ... going to eat breakfast
Democracy is not a form of government rather it is a methodology for choosing a political body that will govern the state. Islam does allow the people to choose their Khalifa democratically which is by means of a shura among the people. Democracy has nothing to do with how a government is run.
yep, and that is what abu bakr (ra) called himself, khalifat-ar-rasool…
later umar (ra) realized that since abu bakr (ra) is khalifat-ar-rasool, the person succeeding abu bakr (ra) wud be khalifat-khalifat-ar-rasool, and this wud not be appropriate hence he chose a more general title of ameer-ul-momineen for the head of the Islamic state…
later umar (ra) realized that since abu bakr (ra) is khalifat-ar-rasool, the person succeeding abu bakr (ra) wud be khalifat-khalifat-ar-rasool, and this wud not be appropriate hence he chose a more general title of ameer-ul-momineen for the head of the Islamic state....
If Abu Bakr was rightful heir to Prophet(PBUH) and Khalifat-ar-rasool, then why did hejaz and nejd rebelled against him? Why Shias still regard Abu Bakr to be an enemy and hate him for what he did..? After all, it is believed that Prophet(PBUH) himself was fond of Abu Bakr...
Rightful heir ... Khilafat is not heritage as the Shia's believe, which is why they consider Hazrat Ali to be the rightful Khalifa after the demise of the Prophet SAW. In the last days of the prophets SAW life he let Abu Bakr lead the prayer, which is a good enough indication who was to be the Imam or leader after him.
Islam as a deen and a religion doesn’t back any particular type or style of government, rather its requires a system that provides sovereignty of Allah, judicial system based on Quran and Sunnah and welfare for the people. So as long as these principles are upheld there is no question about the system. As in previous times the system of Khilafah did maintain these principles. Also the monarchies in Islam had tried previously to maintain these principles but failed due to its nature, some monarchies are even trying to do that today, but failing because it can not provide an independent judicial system. But in this age and time a modern democratic system is the only system by which you can achieve all these goals. I even believe that had communism didn’t reject the concept of god, it would have been a perfect vehicle for creating the base for providing for all these principles.
I think Dr. Israr has written extensivly on this topic, he even thinks that the best form or type of democratic government is the one which is in US, where the President is the head of the state.
whats the use... evil will always win in this life...
lol... thats my theory... by educating people about Islam... we are only slowing down the "spreading of evil"... but sooner or later there will be a day when no one will follow a good path.
Islam and democracy cant go together, Islam is all about "rights and limits." In democracy there are rights, but there is no limit. So basically poeple are allowed to do whatever they want as long as they are not messin around with anyones rite. Thats the big problem with democracy.
but we cant do anything about it, Democracy will spread in Muslim countries, easyway or the hardway (you guys know what I am talking about).
I think Dr. Israr has written extensivly on this topic, he even thinks that the best form or type of democratic government is the one which is in US, where the President is the head of the state.
Good points. I agree with the synopsis. Democracy however is more damaging if the candidates you have to elect are not ones who will uphold these principles. Monarchies simply have failed because the ruling family stays in power because of inheritance whether they able or not. The democratic choice of morally decadent majority will be not so good. No matter what system is used it depends on the ruler and those being ruled as well. It is clear from the Quranic and Sunnah injunctins that when we morally become decadent we will be ruled by similar people. So in the end it is not just the political system that deserves the blame but those who are charged with managing it. You may start out with communism, democracy or a dictatorship as long as they came into existence with the principles we are required to uphold. However they need to continually reform to make things better and more in line with the Islamic principles where the sovereignty of Allah, independent judicial system and welfare of people are preserved. The problem with all these systems is that they are not reformed towards achieving a specific goal.
Democracy may be good but it works better when all the people have a common goal they are working towards. For instance in USA people have different religions, which simply means they cannot be working towards a common goal in life. How can you expect them to vote as one of these principles. What really happens is the majority rules in the democratic setup in USA. It has nothing to with commonality of purpose.
we have seen how corrupt a democratic government is....
nowhere in the world has this form of government been successful....
its marred with corruption....
lol... thats my theory... by educating people about Islam... we are only slowing down the "spreading of evil"... but sooner or later there will be a day when no one will follow a good path.
Islam and democracy cant go together, Islam is all about "rights and limits." In democracy there are rights, but there is no limit. So basically poeple are allowed to do whatever they want as long as they are not messin around with anyones rite. Thats the big problem with democracy.
but we cant do anything about it, Democracy will spread in Muslim countries, easyway or the hardway (you guys know what I am talking about).
Nicely put, though I totally disagree that it's a problem.
we have seen how corrupt a democratic government is....
nowhere in the world has this form of government been successful....
its marred with corruption....
wow hold on there tiger, i don't know what you consider the world. but in most democratic countries there is basic human rights, find me one Muslim countries where they have that. i can go on but i don't wanna get into a religious debate, this thread should've been in Gen. so that proper responses could've been posted. there is still time for this thread to be moved.
In a democratic government the legitimacy of the ruler is based on consent of the ruled. Laws are made by a process of consultation among representatives of the people. Both these features are supported by Islam.
A tyrant who rules against people's wishes and makes laws on his own cannot be considered Islamic, even if he claims to implement Islamic law.
A common confusion is to say that in Islamic system God's law prevails but in democratic country people make up their own law. This is not correct. God's law needs to be interpreted and implemented. The correct Islamic way would be to do this democratically. In an Islamic , democratic country, people , through the democratic process , and not a clerical class, will interpret and implement God's law.