Mockery of Islam

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**I don’t want to this thread to be closed or deleted or moved!

With great interest I’ve always been watching the Ahmadiyya Threads and the people who came and fought for Muhammad (saw) allegedly.

They swear at Mirza Ghulam, give him bad names and dishonor WITHOUT even having read one of his book! They follow selfnamed Ulema and follow them blindly. This is the blind faith. Allah doesn’t require from the to be blind. Allah requires logic from mankind. These people follow normal people who have no deen, no Imaan and write stuff about MGA out of context. I came many across of you. I tell you one thing which is simply clear.

Some people wrote that they gave their Ahmadi Brothers & Sisters our Ahmadiyya Books and they couldn’t answer. They were stunn. There are only 2 options to describe it. Either these people have no knowledge (don’t follow the instructions of Muhammad (saw), no wonder when you have such a corrupt and selfish government) or bring them stuff MGA has never written. And for the last option I lay my Hand on the Qur’an and say that destruction shall arrive me and ancestors and leave nothing of me if I’m wrong. If I’m alive for the next years, count my oath as true. You have to.

Then there you find converters to Ahmadiyyat whose only wish is to attack to from the inner. MGA has predicted that as well and so it happened. Watch Sheik Ahmad, your friend and helper, bringing you all NEARER to Allah.
The same happened to the Muslims of Andalusia. New converters didn’t know anything about Islam, but spoke the Kalima and this was the destruction of the Muslim Empire in Spain.

Absolutely disappointed I’m by AQ and Hareem. Absolutely. This thread is not made to make a mockery of you both. This is not my intention. This is what you will be doing later on after I have posted this. I’m only telling you what I see, not what I hear and read unlike you…

In the Holy Qur’an which I have read full you find many passages indicate that Jesus is dead and not alive. Yet you both and all other actors in Shakespears drama believe to be true Muslims, then why do you deny the Qur’an?

Hareem01, I don’t want to make any assumptions as you are my sister and I really respect you lot and the others as well, but either you haven’t read the Qur’an or you haven’t understood the Qur’an. You search not with the true heart, you are not searching for the truth. You are waiting like all the other Ulema for a Jesus - a Prophet belonging to the House Israel who will have mastered the Qur’an in heaven while drinking chai with God, he surely has to be honored more than Muhammad (saw), because he is sitting besides God more than 3000 years - to come who will slaughter disbelievers. There is one things I want to tell you. First of all he has to slaughter all the self named mullahs and Ulema in Pakistan and India.

Uneducated people say the Ulema have declared you Non-Muslim. Who the hell are they? What is Muslim? Is it a Nation, A Race, A Color, A Shoe? A Scarf? I have once told you that Muslims means “someone who does good deeds”, this is why Hazrat Abraham (as) prayed to Allah

“My Lord, make my progeny Muslims”

Is someone who does good deeds someone who lies about others, brings things out of context, gives bad names, swears? Is this the teaching of Muhammad (saw) to follow? Muhammad (saw) said not to call anyone Non-Muslim, because you don’t know their heart. Ahmadies were the first one to be declared Non-Muslim by a corrupt Government. Is this the Islamic State of Pakistan? No you will come and tell us that you have called us kafir. For our defence I say you were the first one to call us like that and Islam gives not only us, but all others who have witnessed unjustice the same way to answer back.

Who forbid us to pray behind Shia-Muslims, or Sunnis? It was you and in answer we said ok, if you want it like that you can have it…
Who forbid us to marry our boys and girls to Non-Ahmadies? It was you, not us. It is easy to blame us, but these facts are true and I only speak the truth, because the truth comes from Allah.

The 72 Ulema can talk what they want. To me this is nonsense and even their declaration is nonsense. They aren’t Ulemas in my eyes. They are the cursed creatures Muhammad (saw) had foretold us. Of which Ummat are people like cricketplaya, code_red talking? Of those Ulemas who have declared one group Non-Muslims, but don’t find agreement within eachother.

Diwana, this is blind belief. Islam requires logic, not blind belief…

Thank You very much…

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you are cursing the ulema of those same people you do not want to curse your prophet. remember bigotry begets bigotry. If you want a polite and humble discussion then start with a polite and humble post.

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Numb bhai, the world is not made up of Pakistan and India. We all how much you hate Pakistan, does it make a difference?

***drinking chai with God

***It is you who show disrespect.

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okay whatever, i only believe what a muslim is supposed to believe regarding Jesus [peace be upon him].

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Numb Bhai Sahib sorry to say you are not making sense here...........

anyone can twist Logic to satisfy their own beliefs..........remember WMD's

it was very valid logic sold to all on Earth......and that caused the destruction of quite a few Nations and it still continues to this day

So please "believe" what you want to believe and let us "believe" what WE want to "believe"

May Allah guide us All!

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The Quran is open to different interpretations and everyone is allowed a valid opinion from what i have read of in the Quran I believe Jesus is alive in heaven and will return to the world.

YUSUFALI: That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
PICKTHAL: And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain.
SHAKIR: And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the messenger of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure. * 004.158 *
YUSUFALI: Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;-
PICKTHAL: But Allah took him up unto Himself. Allah was ever Mighty, Wise.
SHAKIR: Nay! Allah took him up to Himself; and Allah is Mighty, Wise.

* 004.159 *
YUSUFALI: And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him before his death; and on the Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them;-
PICKTHAL: There is not one of the People of the Scripture but will believe in him before his death, and on the Day of Resurrection he will be a witness against them -
SHAKIR: And there is not one of the followers of the Book but most certainly believes in this before his death, and on the day of resurrection he (Isa) shall be a witness against them.

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How many of you think Maulana Qasim Nanutwi founder of Darulaloom Deoband is non-Muslim since he rejects concept of Khatm-e-Nabuwat; uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0sw6Qyqjh04

If none then what is your beef with Ahmadiyya regarding belief on Khatm-e-Nabuwat?

Also the following scholars also believe that a prophet (non-law bearing) can come;

Mawlana Rumi
Ibn Arabi
Hazrat Imam Abu Ja'far Sadiq
Hazrat Shah Wali Ullah Muhaddith of Dehli
Hazrat Maulana Faranghi Mahal
Imam Raghib
Muhammad Qasim Nanotwi

References can be seen here; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_of_the_Prophets

This misconception that Khatm-e-Nabuwat is a commonly agreed belief should end. This idea is untrue and has been spread in the last few decades by media propaganda by not allowing alternate references to be presented. I don’t know if my post will stay here too but if does then you now know the truth with references.

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Mirza Sahib is a prophet and has a following which considers him a prophet. All prophets deserve respect. All prophets have also used strong language against others. Even Holy Prophet (saw) has done so too and even in Quran Jews and Xtians are called Pigs and Monkeys but that does not give Jews and Xtians the right to insult Holy Prophet (saw) or to demand ban on Quran (nauzubillah). Prophets are protected from undue slander and this is a universal concept generally followed by decent people all over the world. even where this is not binding by law. However if it is justified to insult one prophet for using strong language then other prophets can be insulted for the same reason too. Therefore we must not give support to people who make cartoons, write books like Satanic Verses or make movies like fitna by allowing in justifications to insult prophets.

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This is metaphoric speak. Try to grow up.

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All prophets have cursed their opponents. What do you say to that?

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Fair enough...but problem is not of beliefs…you are actually butchering Ahamdis day in day out...what about that? Does a true religion use killing of innocent people to prove that it is a true religion?

Below is a list of Ahamdis persecuted from only one year (1974). More can be seen here; thepersecution.org Those who complain of Gujrat riots, Palestine and Kashmir need to look inwards first. How are you better than Indians or Israelis?

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May 29 Students of Nishter Medical College Multan attack on Ahmadis present in Rabwah Railway Station. This incident triggered year long country-wide attacks on Ahmadis leading to loss of many lives and property.

May 29 Mr. Basheer Ahmad Tahir martyred in Kundiaro district Nawabshah.

May 30 22 shops and 5 houses belonging to Ahmadis were ransacked in Chiniot. Ahmadiyya Mosques were damaged in Gojra, Shorkot and Rawalpindi.

May 31 26 Shops belonging to Ahmadis in Faisalabad, 7 shops in Bhera, 3 in Bahawalnagar, 7 in Rahim Yar Khan and 6 in Gujranwala were ransacked and burnt.

Jun 01 Seven Ahmadis Mohammad Afzal Khokhar, Mohammad Ashraf Khokhar, Saeed Ahmad Khan, Manzoor Ahmad Khan, Mahmood Ahmad Khan, Sajjad Pervaiz and Ahmad Ali were martyred in Gujranwala.

Jun 01 Chaudhry Shaukat Hayat martyred in Hafizabad.

Jun 02 Six Ahmadis Basheer Ahmad, Muneer Ahmad, Mohammad Ramzan, Mohammad Iqbal, Inayatullah and Ghulam Qadir martyred in Gujranwala.

Jun 02 Ahmadiyya Mosque occupied by opponents in Lala Musa.

Jun 03 Two Ahmadis martyred in Gujranwala.

Jun 03 12 shops belonging to Ahmadis ransacked in Jhang.

Jun 04 Mohammad Ilyas Arif martyred in Wah Cantt.

Jun 04 Ahmadiyya Library burnt to ashes in Mardan.

Jun 05 Supply of Milk was stopped to residents of Rabwah.

Jun 05 12 Ahmadis were severally tortured in Islamabad. One Ahmadi's mouth was filled with cow dung.

Jun 06 Factories and Houses belonging to two Ahmadis were burnt in Sargodha.

Jun 07 Opponents offered Friday Prayers in Ahmadiyya Mosque, Kohat after forcibly occupying it.
House belonging to an Ahmadi ransacked in Haripur Hazara.

Jun 08 Naqab Shah Mehmund martyred in Peshawar.

Jun 09 Syed Moulood Ahmad martyred in Quetta.

Jun 09 Two Ahmadis Ghulam Sarwar and Israar Ahmad martyred in Topi (NWFP Province). Israar Ahmad’s dead body was sprayed with bullets and mutilated.

Jun 10 7 shops belonging to Ahmadis were ransacked and burnt in Mardan.

Jun 11 Mohammad Fakhruddin Bhatti martyred in Abbotabad. His corpse was also set on fire.

Jun 11 Two Ahmadis (father and son) Mohammad Zaman Khan and Mubarak Ahmad martyred in Balakot.

Jun 12 All Ahmadis were arrested in Dera Ismail Khan.

Jun 13 Wheat crop and agricultural machinery of an Ahmadi’s farm was looted in Shah Nagdar.

Jun 14 Shop of an Ahmadi was burnt to ashes in Mailsi.

Jun 15 House belonging to President of Jamaat Ahmadiyya, Sadhoki Gujranwala, was set on fire.

Jun 17 Crops belonging to Ahmadis were destroyed in Chak 39DB Sargodha.

Jun 18 12 Ahmadis were arrested in Pakpattan.

Jun 19 Social Boycott of Ahmadis in Mureedke.

Jun 20 Ahmadiyya Mosque set on fire in Tulwandi, Khajoorwali.

Jun 21 All Ahmadiyya population of Rahim Yar Khan confined to their homes.

Jun 22 An Ahmadi’s dead body was disinterred in Khushab.

Jun 24 All Ahmadi shops in Sargodha were picketed.

Jun 29 An Ahmadi father and son were tortured by Police in Chak 303GB, Toba Tek Singh.

Jul 01 Faces of Ahmadis were blackened and they were forcibly moved through streets of Bhera.

Jul 02 Sethi Maqbool Ahmad martyred in Jehlum.

Jul 05 Ahmadiyya Mosque occupied by opponents in Pak Pattan.

Jul 07 An Ahmadi’s dead body was disinterred in Khushab.

Jul 12 Ahmadi families in Bhera started starving due to severe boycott.

Jul 14 Doors of Ahmadiyya houses in Meeruk district Sahiwal were barricaded.

Jul 14 All Ahmadi men were arrested in district Sargodha.

Jul 16 Ahmadiyya delegation who went to meet detainees of Sargodha were fired upon at Sargodha Railway Station.

Jul 18 Flour Mills refused to grind the wheat for Ahmadis.

Jul 19 Ahmadiyya Mosque attacked and occupied in Takht Hazara district Sargodha.

Jul 21 Ahmadiyya Mosque attacked and occupied in Moghulpura, Lahore.

Jul 22 Ahmadiyya Mosque attacked and occupied in Lala Musa.

Jul 23 Supply of milk was denied to Ahmadis in Bahawalnagar.

Jul 24 Shops of Ahmadis were forced to shut down in Sheikhupura.

Jul 26 Ahmadiyya Mosque ransacked and destroyed in Uch Shareef, Bahawalpur. All record and valuable things were burnt to ashes.

Jul 27 Shops belonging to two Ahmadis were burnt to ashes in Okara.

Jul 28 Punjab Chief Minister refused to meet with Ahmadiyya delegation.

Jul 28 Ahmadiyya Mosque demolished in Bhoyanwala, Gujrat.

Jul 29 Ahmadiyya Mosque sealed in Samburial, Sialkot.

Jul 29 Ahmadis forbidden to take water from common well in Dolian Juttan.

Jul 30 All Ahmadi residents of Burewala were expelled.

Jul 30 Water supply and sanitation facilities were refused to Ahmadi residents of Haroonabad, Bahawalnagar.

Jul 31 Shops of Ahmadis were forced to shut down in Duska.

Aug 01 Severe social boycott of Ahmadis in Hafizabad. Purchased goods were forcibly taken back.

Aug 02 An Ahmadi was tied to tree and severally beaten in Mundi Bahauddin.

Aug 04 A barber’s face was painted black for providing hair cut to Ahmadis.

Aug 06 Three shops belonging to Ahmadis were set on fire.

Aug 09 Ahmadis were barred to enter their Mosque in Gujranwala.

Aug 09 In Gujranwala 14 Ahmadis were dismissed from their jobs
only because of their faith.

Aug 13 Ahmadiyya Mosque demolished in Da’ata district Hazara.

Aug 18 Burial of an Ahmadi woman was not allowed in Campbellpur. Other old graves were also dug out.

Aug 18 Mr. Mohammad Akbar, an Ahmadi, was tied up in a jungle for three days in Barali, Azad Kashmir.

Aug 24 Stone pelting and destruction of Ahmadiyya Mosque in Kot Momin, Sargodha.

Aug 24 Ahmadi students were beaten up in Multan.

Aug 27 An Ahmadi youngster, kidnapped from Gurmoola Virkan, Gujranwala, was released after 17 days of confinement. He lost his conscious due to severe torture.

Sep 02 Professor Abbas bin Abdul Qadir was martyred in Hyderabad.

Sep 03 Stone pelting on Ahmadiyya houses in Chak 32 South, Sargodha.

Sep 07 Pakistan’s National Assembly declared Ahmadis as “non-Muslim” by amending the Constitution.

Sep 07 Five Ahmadi students were thrown out of the University in Faisalabad. Faces of two students were painted with black ink and they were forced to ride the donkeys in the streets of city.

Sep 10 Police took over the Ahmadiyya Mosque in Gojra.

Sep 26 Chaudhry Abdur Rahim and Chaudhry Mohammad Siddique were martyred in Moosawala, Sialkot.

Sep 29 Master (Teacher) Ziauddin Arshad martyred in Sargodha.

Oct 03 Mr. Abdul Hameed martyred in Kunri, Sindh.

Oct 05 Despite the presence of Punjab Chief Minister in city, opponents played havoc with lives and property of Ahmadis in Sargodha. Ahmadiyya Mosque was demolished. 38 houses and shops belonging to Ahmadis were set on fire after looting valuables. 5 Ahmadis sustained severe injuries.

Oct 07 Mr. Basharat Ahmad martyred in Tahal district Gujrat.
… All meetings/conventions of auxiliary Ahmadiyya organizations were cancelled for not getting permission from Government.