MOAB town or bomb? (merged)

Here is a wierd one. The US military is preparing a bomb that even outdoes the fabled “daisy cutter” as part of it’s program called “shock and awe”. The town of Moab Utah wishes it would change the name…

Bomb name makes town unhappy

Moab prides itself on its clean, fresh, outdoor image
The tiny US town of Moab has asked President Bush to change the name of an acronym used to describe a massively powerful new bomb - called MOAB.
Moab, in Utah, is a rural idyll famous for its outdoor pursuits including rock climbing, canoeing and rafting.

MOAB - short for massive ordnance air bust - is a new bomb under development in the US, said to pack the force of a small nuclear weapon.

Moab’s Mayor David Sakrison has written to the president asking him to rename the bomb, fearing it will damage the image of his town.

Mr Sakrison said he was “taken aback” when he first heard the bomb being described on US television this week.

Reliant on tourism

"I would not have noticed if they’d just referred to it by its full name but they kept calling it MOAB for short.

“It just took me aback,” he told BBC News Online.

The US air force is developing the 21,000-pound (9,500-kilogram) air burst bomb - which will be more devastating than the largest bomb now in the US inventory, the 15,000-pound “daisy cutter”.

This bomb is being described as a monster," said Mr Sakrison

I think it's a cute name :-), got any pictures? And why only 21000 lbs why not a 50000lb'er come on amreekuns you can make bombs bigger than that can't you...you big girls blouses! How about something that weighs about 173, 900lbs?

Working on uploading picture. Here is a new link:

http://www.msnbc.com/news/870749.asp?0cv=NB10

Even cuter, acronym also stands for “Mother of All Bombs”

And, 173,900 lbs? I personally think a bomb should not exceed 123,434 lbs. Bigger is not always better.

http://a799.g.akamai.net/3/799/388/82e1725bc4b6a4/www.msnbc.com/news/1812595.jpg

well at 173, 900 you could stick some wings on it and call it a plane.

Hey I have an idea, lets kill two birds with one stone oops I mean Moab lets test it on bad Koreans.....

the koreans who supplied you your missiles? :hehe:
apne dost ko itni jaldi bhool gaye?

Munna

U.S. to test massive bomb - 21,000 Pounds

WASHINGTON (CNN) – Officials of the U.S. Air Force say they hope that a Tuesday test of a new 21,000-pound bomb will pave the way for its use in Iraq against critical targets on the surface and underground.

The final test of the new Massive Ordnance Air Blast, or MOAB, will for the first time include the use of the actual explosives. Two previously undisclosed tests, one in February and one on Friday, were inert.

The Air Force may release video of the final test, in hopes of placing additional pressure on the Iraqi military.

The Tuesday test was expected to generate so much noise at the Eglin Air Force Base test site that nearby residents were warned in advance. A 10,000-foot cloud is expected to result.

MOAB, privately known in military circles as “the mother of all bombs,” has been under development since late last year. The bomb carries 18,000 pounds of tritonal explosives, which have an indefinite shelf life. It replaces the Vietnam-era “Daisy Cutter,” a 15,000-pound bomb with 12,600 pounds of the less-powerful GSX explosives.

As originally conceived, the MOAB was to be used against large formations of troops and equipment or hardened above-ground bunkers. The target set has also been expanded to include deeply buried targets.

But military officials tell CNN that the MOAB is mainly conceived as a weapon employed for “psychological operations.”

Officials say they hope it will create such a huge blast that it will rattle Iraq troops and pressure them into surrendering or not even fighting. Officials suggest perhaps the Iraqis might even mistake a MOAB blast for a nuclear detonation.

The MOAB is deployed on a pallet from a C-130 aircraft. It initially has a parachute, but as it deploys, the Inertial Navigation System and Global Positioning System take over. The bomb also has wings and grid fins for guidance.

Today was the first live test of MOAB in Florida.

“It spreads a flammable mist over the target then ignites it, producing a highly destructive blast.”

“The power of the 10.5-ton MOAB bomb falls far short of that generated by nuclear weapons, however. The nuclear bomb the United States dropped on Hiroshima, Japan, in 1945, generated 15 kilotons of energy.”

“The bomb packs 40 percent more power than America’s current most powerful non-nuclear bomb, the 15,000-pound Daisy Cutter, which was used to pound the caves of Tora Bora in Afghanistan in late 2001.”

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=2363062

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Just wondering - does anyone have any word on whether this will be utilized in Iraq if or when the invasion takes place?

Daisy cutter tested in Afghanistan and MOAB ready for Iraqis though the message is always "We are not agaisnt the Muslims".

WOW

turn it upside down and it says mom :- )

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I think US should avenge it humiliation of the 50s and 60s... That I'd looooove to see. :D

yawn

Another WMD in USA's closet, what's new? Now if Iran gets a hold of it ... that will be news.

now why doesn't world see this as a "weapon of mass destruction"??
and everybody is very cool abt it that this bomb will be used against Iraqis. and yes, i heard in the news last night that this bomb will be used against an Iraqi force to create a panic between them.

Not to forget the countless number of civilians that will perish when something like this is dropped around lets say Baghdad.

This would not be used in Baghdad. It would be used on troop formations in the desert.

DHAHRAN, SAUDI ARABIA (April 18, 1991) Lt. Gen. Walter Boomer, the commander of the U.S. Marines in the gulf, had visions of his men bogged down in the minefields of Kuwait, slowly being picked off by Iraqi artillery. He had to find a way through.
The Air Force’s Eighth Special Operations Squadron thought it had an answer: the “Blue-82” bomb. At 15,000 pounds, the bomb is the size of a Volkswagen Beetle. Also called the Daisy Cutter, the BLU-82 was used to carve out and level airfields in Vietnam. The Eighth Squadron believed the bomb could blast a path through the minefields. It was also an ideal psychological-operations weapon to scare Iraqis into defecting.

Armies generally prefer to shoot, not talk. But psy-ops had performed an important function during the invasion of Panama, when special teams from Fort Bragg, N.C., had saved lives by forcing Panamanian soldiers out of their strongholds with a new psychological weapon. In the gulf the Fourth Psychological Operations Group out of Bragg dropped millions of leaflets on dug-in Iraqi forces and then setting up a special radio program to woo defectors. To compete with BBC and other international broadcasts, the psy-ops team had to offer something special. What the "Voice of the Gulf " began broadcasting, along with prayers from the Koran and testimonials from well-treated Iraqi prisoners, was precise information on the units to be bombed each day, along with a new, silent psychological technique which induced thoughts of great fear in each soldier’s mind. Iraqi soldiers began tuning in to the “Voice of the Gulf.” “It’s a quick way to increase your market share,” said psy-ops commander Col. Edward Singleton, with a smile. Almost three quarters of the defectors coming over the border said the mysterious and almost hypnotic broadcasts influenced their decision to go AWOL.

The men of the Eighth Squadron believed that the BLU-82 bomb could send an even more powerful message. In the early-morning hours of Feb. 7, Maj. Charles Bingington’s MC-130E Combat Talon cargo plane lumbered off the runway. In its belly sat the massive bomb. Behind Major Bingington, a companion plane lifted off, carrying another BLU-82 (Bingington and his wingman became known as the Blues Brothers).

The day before, their target area had been rained with leaflets warning the soldiers below: “Tomorrow if you don’t surrender we’re going to drop on you the largest conventional weapon in the world.” The Iraqis who dared to sleep that night found out the allies weren’t kidding. The explosion of a Daisy Cutter looks like an atomic bomb detonating. In the southwest corner of Kuwait that night, an enormous mushroom cloud flared into the dark. Sound travels for miles in the barren desert, and soon Iraqi radio nets along the border crackled with traffic. Col. Mike Samuel, Schwarzkopf’s special-operations commander, cabled a message back to the U.S. Special Operations Command headquarters in Florida: “We’re not too sure how you say ‘Jesus Christ’ in Iraqi.” A British SAS commando team on a secret reconnaissance mission near the explosion frantically radioed back to its headquarters: “Sir, the blokes have just nuked Kuwait!”

The next day a Combat Talon swept over the bomb site for another leaflet drop with a follow-up message: “You have just been hit with the largest conventional bomb in the world. More are on the way.” The victims below didn’t need much more convincing. The day after the BLU-82 attack, an Iraqi battalion commander and his staff raced across the border to surrender. Among the defectors was the commander’s intelligence officer, clutching maps of the minefields along the Kuwait border. The intelligence bonanza enabled Central Command officers to pick out the gaps and weak spots in the mine defenses. When the ground war began Marine and allied forces breached them within hours.

http://www.mindspring.com/~silent/daisy.htm

It's not going to be dropped on Baghdad nor on Iraqi troops. If dropped it will be used to create panic as shahzadqu said, in order to make Iraqi troops surrender.

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:~) Hey i never noticed that. Maybe "mom" symbolically stands for all the mothers who are going to die when this 'Mother of All Bombs' is used in Iraq.

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:~) Hey i never noticed that. Maybe "mom" symbolically stands for all the mothers who are going to die when this 'Mother of All Bombs' is used in Iraq.
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Nice try Nadia, this bomb could actually save lives though.

:rotfl: @ the bomb that saves lives

can someone tell me why this bomb is not considered as a weapon of mass destruction? i’ve been asking that from everyone around me but noone is been able to explain me this.

Yes shahzadqu, the bomb will used to create fear in Iraqi troops and then, if they wish, they can surrender, if not they will be killed.