MMA Bhara Aaya: Hisbah Bill

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In the same province in which MMA wants to establish the Hisbah bill, which would appoint representatives down to the local level who would be in charge of even the most minute private acts (ex. if you’re praying on time, what you’re watching on TV, and who you are speaking to)

We have a case where religious scholars are allowing a man to get away after abusing his wife, and allowing him to bypass having to pay her alimony with the simple excuse that she is his “foster sister”.

Now, correct me if I’m wrong, but foster sisters are not related to you by blood, right?

So, in Islam, foster sisters would be permissable to marry.

Exactly where is Islamic law being executed in NWFP by religious scholars themselves? So how will Hisbah law be able to solve ANYTHING?

Below is the article:

PESHAWAR: Upholding the ruling of family judge, additional district and sessions judge here Tuesday dismissed the appeal of a person requesting absolution from paying dower and alimony to his former wife.
The court of Judge Shahid Khan had reserved its judgment in the case after hearing arguments of both the sides.

One Shiraz Ali has filed an appeal with a local court requesting it to absolve him from paying dower and alimony to his former wife on the grounds that she was his foster sister and that his nikah with her became void. He had stated that he came to know after ten long years of his marriage that his former wife, Azra Bibi was his foster sister.

A family court had ordered dissolution of her marriage with Shiraz on grounds of cruelty. It had asked Shiraz to pay dower and alimony to the lady.

Shiraz and Azra married on December 27, 1993 and have four children. The wife had filed a suit with family judge seeking dissolution of her marriage. She had alleged that her husband used to beat her to get her consent for marrying another woman.

On the other hand, Shiraz said that when he came to know that Azra was his foster sister, he discussed the matter with a known religious scholar. The scholar issued a decree, saying that a person could not marry his foster sister and therefore their nikah stood void. He said her wife left him after the decree was issued.

The family court, headed by Miss Sadaf Gul Durrani allowed Ms Azra’s suit on September 21, 2004, and ordered dissolution of their marriage. It dismissed Shiraz’s plea and observed that it wasn’t possible for a couple to live together for ten years and not know they were foster brother and sister.

The court also ordered the man to pay the dower amount of Rs50,000, return gold ornaments of three tolas and a 5-marla house, in addition to monthly maintenance charges of Rs1000 to the woman and Rs2000 for the children.

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I think foster here means 'doodh-shareek', and as per shariah their nikah will be void.

ishq ka so'daee
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^^

Agreed...

----> TimePass
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Great idea from the MMA. Ok, maybe the Saudis and then the Talaban came up with the idea but none the less it is great.

As cleanliness is half the religion, I seriously do hope that free deodorants will be given to all the MPAs in NWFP on state's expense. The mushab should also check the member's armpits to make sure they have been shaven and makes it mandatory by law that everyone in the state brushes their teeth at least twice a day.

Once that is done, anyone caught responding to nature call on the side of the road in public will be sent to jail.

I also recommend a good diet for pot bellied Mullah MPAs but I guess that will be taking it too far. After all citizens do have some rights of their own.

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^^

I have no idea where non-Muslim get the idea that Muslims stink...

How can a people who wash themselves 5 times a day from head to foot, apply exotic 'ITTar' and keep their clothes clean from any dirtiness, stink?

Stereotypes and misconceptions are so rampant in ill-informed circles, it's actually funny...

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So what is the status of their four kids now? Should they be void as well?

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Lajo, the only two arms I have are for hugging. And the nose can't help it.

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Faisal: The extent of my knowledge was up to writing ‘agreed’…

For further details, please contact the closest scholar…

nobody is nice
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Does the article say that she is doodh shareekh? I doubt it. So the guy is married for her for 10 years, abusing her. Fine, lets say she is doodh shareekh. But that means he is exempt from paying her back for all the trouble he put her through?

That's Islamic MMA-ishtyle justice?

Yes, these are CONCRETE examples of why the Hisbah Bill should not be passed.

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I find it generally very helpful to think an issue through, before jumping on a conclusion. From a strictly Islamic viewpoint, I’d hate to characterize these four innocent kids as illegitimate. At the time they were conceived and born, the parents were in a legal marriage. After kids are born to a couple, to void the marriage ab initio sounds grossly unfair. Then again, the fairness argument goes neither here nor there.

On this particular case, my guess is that the dude wanted to marry a second time, and when his wife didn’t agree to the arrangement, he came up with the idea of declaring her a foster sister to annul the marriage. To establish “doodh-shareek” relationship probably requires just a vague witness, and with so much inter-family and inter-baradari marriages going on, its not that hard anyway. But a complete and utter disregard for the four kids make this person stand out. He is ingenious to come up with the excuse as well as extra-ordinarily cruel. Then again, he may claim to be just as innocent in this whole affair as the kids, who only found out that he married his “sister” ten years after the marriage, and only when his wife filed a law-suit against him for marital cruelty.

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Personally i don't think that Husbah bill should be passed.........but i fail to see any connection between this case and MMA.

PCG! Is this guy Shiraz Ali an MMA leader ?

Did any MMA leader declare that this man be exempt from paying dowry or alimony?Is some MMA person supporting this guy?

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I was only commenting on the foster sister thing. Even if she is her foster sister, I think, the man should fulfill all financial responsibilities that he has towards his children and ex-wife. Although my first comment was correct as per my limited knowledge of shariah, I am still no molvi and my second comment is only based on my feelings.

It is unfortunate that children were born due to this union, but once they know, and if it is true, that they are brother and sister they cannot continue living as husband and wife.

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Iconoclast: Isn't the MMA in charge of the whole province? Shouldn't these cases be of concern to the MMA. Whether the MMA is Shiraz Ali or not, shouldn't the MMA prevent and stop any unIslamic jurisprudence to be passed?

My point is that they're not doing their job in the first place, so what is this Hisbah bill going to do. The job that the police, and law enforcement should be DOING , and they're NOT is no excuse that now we need another law enforcement force.

Why don't they fix up the system that is in place and execute the law that is already in place using the law enforcement capacity that the province already has?

Why not tell the people working on this case to do their job right and make sure its done right, rather than set up a new class of representatives, another police force basically, to enforce what should already be enforced??

They're trying to Talibanize 1/4 of the country. Its a bit scary.

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I fail to understand what wrong has been done so far in this case by the courts.The family court has rightly decided in favor of the woman and the other court is yet to give its ruling.

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Foster sister = ﻦﮩﺑ ﻰﻋﺎﺿﺭ (Riza' ee Behn)

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This is what I hear from most stinky Muslims when I ask them why they stink, they say that Muslim need not use deoderont because “The odor emanating from the body of the faithul, is like roses to god.” Unfortunately its like jim socks for the rest of us:hehe:

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The MMA are confused about their priotrities. Whats more pathetic is that people still support them!

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NWFP Assembly Passes HASBA BILL PESHAWAR July 14 (PPI) The NWFP Assembly passed Hasbah Bill on Thursday with 68 to 34 votes.Opposition members continued their protest and wore black arm bands but tookpart in the debate.The opposition termed the Bill as unlawful,unconstitutional and un-Islamic.......20:34 PST

Khawab............
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Do all Muslims really apply exotic “ittar”? I mean REALLY?!? Performing wudhu 5 times a day doesn’t mean you won’t “stink”, cuz you are not washing your armpits, chest, back etc.

To the topic, there really isn’t a direct relationship of the case with the MMA, though I don’t like government “enforcing” law like forcing public to pray, you can force to shut down businesses, you can force to stop TV broadcasts during the prayer times but pushing public into mosques :nono3:

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yeah, i heard the news today - its sick that they passed it without following proper protocol.