"Missile shield gains support across globe"

Why am I hesitant to believe this? Can suicide bombers, car bombs, and, at worst, a 737 really cause entire nations to fear ballistic missiles? Supposing the newfound support, or lack of opposition, proves lasting.. what do you think is the reason?

Missile shield gains support across globe](http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030521-125955-3800r.htm)

The White House yesterday announced that global opposition to President Bush's missile- defense plan largely has collapsed in the wake of the war against terrorism, causing a "sea change" of views even in nations such as Russia, which once opposed the plan. 

"We had a lively national debate about missile defense for 20 years," said a senior administration official. "That more or less appears to be settled." ...

Could it be because of this.. :rotfl:

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Re: "Missile shield gains support across globe"

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"Hostile states, including those that sponsor terrorism, are investing large resources to develop and acquire ballistic missiles of increasing range and sophistication," the document stated. "The United States and our allies lack effective defenses against this threat."
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i am not certain regarding the "newfound support" on behalf of Russia and Poland, but the Canadian govt. is not too enthusiastic about this plan. The former Foreign Affairs minister, Lloyd Axworthy (the one who spearheaded the anti-landmines initiative on behalf of Canada) is opposed to signing up with the US regarding this issue. Subsequent to not officially endorsing the invasion against Iraq, i think the govt. here is feeling additional pressure (diplomatic but more importantly economic pressure) to cooperate in this initiative.

On tv several weeks ago, Axworthy had stated that the billions of dollars invested into this should rather be invested into conflicts that are spanning the globe, particularly within Africa. Of course, his suggestion will fall on deaf ears - both within Canada and outside its borders.

Fine line between coercion and copoeration.

Abdali, you hit the nail in the head :hehe:

Quote from the article “Although the document does not specify the “hostile states,” it appears aimed at leaders such as Kim Jong-il of North Korea, which recently has announced that it is pursuing nuclear weapons in defiance of international agreements”

Missile shield gains support across globe

By that I am sure Bush means that “large” :hehe: “coalition of the willing” including Lativia, Liechtenstein and Lesotho? What is the position of Micronesia and the Marshall Islands?

Bush case on defense plan cites N. Korea](http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030527-124651-5190r.htm)

…nevermind that Korea’s best missile has only been tested once.. and they cannot even fit a nuclear device onto a warhead (as it is they would need a cargo plane to deliver it)..

The threat from KN isn’t intercontinental missiles.. it’s regional conventional warfare.

..and nevermind that the missile defense doesn’t work in any way that is forced to follow the fundamental laws of physics…

At least it doesn’t work at knocking down missiles.. but I’m sure there are other uses.

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..and nevermind that the missile defense doesn't work in any way that is forced to follow the fundamental laws of physics...**
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i have always wondered about this. Which are the groups that are proclaiming the missile defense system doesn't work and what do they base their conclusions upon? Although i agree with them entirely, i am a bit confused as to how the US continues to claim that the programme does work. Does it, or does it not, actually work ? If i remember correctly, there were a few tests carried out two (?) years ago that proved it was not functioning at that time - am i mistaken?

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..and nevermind that the missile defense doesn't work in any way that is forced to follow the fundamental laws of physics...

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On what basis do you say that? The version of missile defense that is being worked on involves kinetic kill vehicles. Essentially, intercepting a bullet with a bullet. This not only can be done but has been done.

The goal of the current missile defense program is to intercept the missile earlier rather than later. This does raise challenges. But it is not flawed science. It is difficult science.

In fact, when Reagan first introduced the missile defense idea, the main argument of the detractors was that you couldn't intercept a missile in space. Now that this science has been proven, the main argument is that while you can hit it, the system will be fooled by decoys and countermeasures.

I have no vision that a defensive shield that could repel a massive missile attack against the US will be possible in my lifetime. But I do believe it possible to have something in place that can destroy a very limited attack.

AND, even if the system is not foolproof and might not work, I think that the mere possibility that it could work provides a very major deterrent. If you've got a N. Korea with two Nukes, I would suggest that them thinking that both nukes could be destroyed if fired would have some serious impact on the strategies they considered viable. It's a lot easier for them to be bellicose under circumstances where they know with 100% certainty that a nuke launched at an American city will strike its target and cause massive destruction.

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AND, even if the system is not foolproof and might not work, I think that the mere possibility that it could work provides a very major deterrent.
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But in the tests that were held a few years ago, wasn't it proved that the missile defence programme doesn't work... ? Why would NK perceive this as a deterrence if the tests conducted (so far) have failed ?

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But in the tests that were held a few years ago, wasn't it proved that the missile defence programme doesn't work... ? Why would NK perceive this as a deterrence if the tests conducted (so far) have failed ?
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No Nadia. You are incorrect. The missile defense system has gone through a series of tests. As with all developing systems, some tests pass and some fail. I believe that of the 7 most recent tests, five passed and two failed. What you must remember is that there is no deployed version that is being tested on a final basis. The testing is of individual components that are currently viewed as potential parts of the overall system.

Using your concept of a failed test showing that the program doesn't work, we never would have developed a space program. Many early rocket launches failed. A failure of a test doesn't mean something can't or won't work. The last shuttle burned up on re-entry. Do you suggest that means the shuttle program doesn't work?

hmm guess i was wrong.

Canada, U.S. to Talk Missile Defense, Emma Tinkler, 29 May 2003

Canada announced Thursday it will enter formal talks with the United States about joining a proposed missile defense system but only if the program meets the Canadian national interest.

Speaking in Parliament, Defense Minister John McCallum said Canada would benefit from being part of discussions on a system intended to secure North America. "Let me be clear. While we believe missile defense has the potential to benefit Canada, our participation is not unconditional,‘’ he said, adding the government would not agree to any space-based defense system.

Nevertheless, McCallum said entering talks was in Canada’s interest. "A sovereign government has a duty and a responsibility to do its own due diligence to ensure maximum protection of the lives of its citizens,‘’ he said. Prime Minister Jean Chretien and McCallum confirmed earlier this month that the government was considering joining the defense shield, signaling a change in its previous skepticism about what is known as the Star Wars issue due to concerns that ballistic missile defenses might spark an arms race.

U.S. officials have criticized Canada for cutting defense spending too much in budget-balancing during the 1990s and called for Chretien’s government to play a larger role in North American defense. In Washington, U.S. State Department spokesman Richard Boucher called missile defense "very important for us and for North America.‘’

The Canadian announcement shows the two countries "still have many interests in common, including a defense of the people,‘’ Boucher said.

Y'know.. I'm gonna give up on this one. It's a no-win topic. Truthfully, in the geopolitical dynamic it doesn't make a bit of difference. Some will milk it for what they can.. but it won't change the physical reality in any sense. Bad guys will still try, good guys still have MAD, etc. No change. Really the only way this science project affects anything is, in the words of Ike:

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."

This one was pretty good, about kinetic intercepts and everything else:

Shooting Down Missile Defense](http://slate.msn.com/id/2086724/)
Even the Pentagon admits the program is in trouble.